Religion: The Enemy of Reason?

[Liquid Skin]

Just because 2 users start having a tiff that doesn't mean the thread is a write-off Lupus, have faith in the other half a dozen who've posted.
Why dont you contribute something instead of providing a commentary?

 

[Lupus]

I also contributed my part, I personally dislike debates, because I'm not a serious person and I don't really care about such things, sure I think about these things, but I don't feel inclinded to pitch in and voice my opinion. I can see people who've contributed, but it's still inevitable, like every other thread on this forum.

 

[Liquid Skin]

I also contributed my part, I personally dislike debates, because I'm not a serious person and I don't really care about such things, sure I think about these things, but I don't feel inclinded to pitch in and voice my opinion. I can see people who've contributed, but it's still inevitable, like every other thread on this forum.

Then why did u post here anyway? Its not as if the thread was titled "free sweets here!" Dont like it, dont post.
Ah whatever, ill wait till Citizen, Tachi or Rui posts.

 

[Rui]

Thread derailment to complain about thread derailment? Suggest you make a "Why Do All Threads Go Off-Topic?" moan thread instead please.

Interesting parallels with evolution vs creationism - on one side we have the idea of creating the perfect thread with no deviations, on the other a thread growing and changing with the currents of the debate. We can't talk about the same topic forever or it ends up going in circles so I'm all for letting it evolve as the contributors fancy. Yeah tenuous link but I was bored

To respond to CG, I believe in biological evolution as well. And given how funky some mutations are in our own species alone, I am ready to believe that just about anything is possible over time. Science is all about doubting and disproving though so if somebody can better it I'd be all ears. I'd never personally teach children of mine creationism as a theory (perhaps as a fantasy story) but if we were all as enlightened as me it would be a boring world!

R (I was being flippant before anyone gets het up about my massive ego)

 

[Tachi]

Lupus, lighten up abit mate . all work and no play makes things dull.

Anyway this thread wouldn't of been made if my chav thread didn't go abit off track.

 

[Outlawstar]

Im not generally a serious person either but I personally hate religion.
Now until we discover things whos to say a "God" is impossible.
In fact from what Ive studied and perhaps due to my limits as a human, the universe down to the plank level looks intelligently designed.

My problem is people who believe in the "GOD" of the Bible blindly.
And Jesus for that matter.
Im not sure how many people know this but there are literally hundreds of other religious figures from history(prophets)who share almost the exact life story of Jesus including his date of birth, death resurrection and loads other in between.

It all originated from the original religion, that of the sun, look at the story of Jesus and the parallels between his life and that of the sun are very surprising.

Ill go into that in more detail if anyone wants.

Infact. ever wondered why no historian of the time ever wrote of a man named Jesus of Nazareth. performing amazing feats, why is the bible the only history of such a a mans life, simple, because he didint exist in that form.

I cant help but care about things like this as Ive always had a craving for information and truth.

And Im not trying to be big headed with such a long winded post either.

 

[Kurogane]

If Jesus were to come back, do you think anyone would believe him? Perhaps think he is a mad man?

If your skeptic of God imagine what it was like back then. That Jesus was actually around but to have people still doubt him and even crucify him.

One cannot prove 100% that God does not exist. People seem to forget that we are a tiny speck in the universe and also that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So even with our intelligence, there is still a whole universe out there that we know relatively little about.

I was baptised, but I've far reversed the effects by now.

Chanting, TITS ******* SATAN METAL in church fixes you.

Effects? If you don't believe in God I don't see why people are upset about this. Since it would just be water being poured over your head.

I hope your joking in that chanting that will "fix" you, since you sound like a person who needs help anyway.

Nice ability to not be able to see through an obvious jocular post.

Oh, and it's you're, not your. Dolt.

You need the help fella.

At least get original insults rather than stealing them from "The Best Page In The Universe". Try harder next time.

Anything in the OED is fair game, ass.

 

[Tachi]

okay, after a quick think this is as blatant as i can put it;
the whole Jesus son of God, Mohammed messenger of allah and everything else is all the same story just different translations of names

example:
in english a guys name is: ian stad
in german the same name is: john town

the places are similar, muslims heritage = in asia
christianity's heritage = in jerusalem
(come on you don't need a map to know where im going with this)

the story is the same, a messenger from this "god"
there's also in christianity mention of got being a burning bush in the desert where (forgot his name) had spent 40 days and nights without food or water. well if you put me in a desert for 40 days, im sure id be hearing things that aren't really there and the burning bush is a simple explenation.....natural forest fires are caused by intense heat and sunrays applied to a plant.

one thing i find funny, why does everything have to be 40 days?
the arc.
the guy (still can't remember his name ) in the desert
im not entirely sure but i think that when muslims fast, its for roughly 40 days.

know theres people claiming they are gods representive on earth and they kill by the will of gods.

its all to make a name for themselves.......plus, we all know if god was gunna send a message he'd use MSN

(brain is really struggling because drinking at 2am this morning with mates tends to make you knackered lol)

Outlaw, its not being big headed by typing a few paragraphs.. just means thats how much it takes for someone to feel they've gave their two pence

 

[Zen 2nd]

If Jesus were to come back, do you think anyone would believe him? Perhaps think he is a mad man?

If your skeptic of God imagine what it was like back then. That Jesus was actually around but to have people still doubt him and even crucify him.

One cannot prove 100% that God does not exist. People seem to forget that we are a tiny speck in the universe and also that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So even with our intelligence, there is still a whole universe out there that we know relatively little about.

I was baptised, but I've far reversed the effects by now.

Chanting, TITS ******* SATAN METAL in church fixes you.

Effects? If you don't believe in God I don't see why people are upset about this. Since it would just be water being poured over your head.

I hope your joking in that chanting that will "fix" you, since you sound like a person who needs help anyway.

Nice ability to not be able to see through an obvious jocular post.

Oh, and it's you're, not your. Dolt.

You need the help fella.

At least get original insults rather than stealing them from "The Best Page In The Universe". Try harder next time.

Anything in the OED is fair game, ass.

lol, wasn't saying you couldn't use it, just boring thats all.

 

[Gacha]

I like how the poll in this thread only has "yes" or "No".
No inbetween, no love for those who have not truly made up thier minds then?

 

[Liquid Skin]

I like how the poll in this thread only has "yes" or "No".
No inbetween, no love for those who have not truly made up thier minds then?

Its the same thing with bisexuals - both dont exist

Oh and as to the similar names and so on, i certainly believe in a creator but dont subscribe to all the bs that the Bible spills some of the time. I'd like to think that the Bible is a guide for life - not the law and that there are still many things left to be discovered, left by God for us to discover (going back to the whole "you cant teach someone by holding their hand all the time theory)
I mean, you can make two conclusions from the similar prophet idea, everyone is copying each other/its an easy scam to pull or there really is a God and He's showing himself in all these varied ways across the world. I mean when it really comes down to it all religions speak the same basic truths: dont kill, dont steal etc.

After all we're still missing large chunks of The Bible thanks to the Catholic Church censoring anything it doesnt like, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if there was a passage in the New Testament saying homosexuality is ok.

I hate using the old "God moves in mysterious ways" quote because its pandered around waaaaay too much by people who simply arent religious but at times it does make sense. I stayed with a family in Zambia and i honestly believe that we were protected by God, so much **** came our way and each time we were taken to breaking point - but then pulled back by some unexpected miracle and in a place like that miracles are hard to come by.

*ramble ends*

 

[CitizenGeek]

Its the same thing with bisexuals - both dont exist

Bisexuals very much do exist, and every single psychological organisation that's studied this (as well as the work of the renowned Alfred Kinsey) will tell you that bisexuals are very real.

I hate using the old "God moves in mysterious ways" quote because its pandered around waaaaay too much by people who simply arent religious but at times it does make sense. I stayed with a family in Zambia and i honestly believe that we were protected by God, so much **** came our way and each time we were taken to breaking point - but then pulled back by some unexpected miracle and in a place like that miracles are hard to come by.

I don't understand this. Why are people inclined only to make the connection with a God when something good happens? All the bad stuff isn't Gods' doing, too, no?

 

[Liquid Skin]

Bisexuals very much do exist, and every single psychological organisation that's studied this (as well as the work of the renowned Alfred Kinsey) will tell you that bisexuals are very real.

Oh dear.

I was JOKING! Spot the sarcasm, the lil face dictating humour, thought i made it obvious but oh well *sigh*....

Aside from the obvious (attempted) humor I wouldnt exist if i truly thought that :lol:

Well the Devil is kind of responsible for the evil-doing too, but theres theories all over the place as to how much power he actually has. Anyways this isnt really so much a debate on whether God is good or evil, its as to whether He actually exists. I think Christianity is probably THE most diverse of religions in terms of the amount of sects there are. You'll get one answer from one guy and a totally different one from another.

 

[Dracos]

After all we're still missing large chunks of The Bible thanks to the Catholic Church censoring anything it doesnt like, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if there was a passage in the New Testament saying homosexuality is ok.

Is that from the Yaoi version of the bible. Althought a bloke hanging out with his twelve mates all the time does raise some questions. Either they were a real bunch of lads, or there is something else going on in the missing passages.

I am not a believer in an all powerful infallible deity myself, if they are supposed to be so infallible why create so many things that are flawed. From the way I see most Gods described they are like scientists that just have things running around in mazes, or inflict things upon their subjects just to see how they react. The other way they can be viewed is as a spoilt child “I created you so do what I say, or I will sulk and then do nasty things to youâ€

 

[Liquid Skin]

After all we're still missing large chunks of The Bible thanks to the Catholic Church censoring anything it doesnt like, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if there was a passage in the New Testament saying homosexuality is ok.

Is that from the Yaoi version of the bible. Althought a bloke hanging out with his twelve mates all the time does raise some questions. Either they were a real bunch of lads, or there is something else going on in the missing passages.

Hey im just saying anythings possible. I didnt mean theres a passage in there right now about homosexuality, i mean the Catholic Church decides what is "allowed" in the Bible - theres a lot of things ommited.
Hell Mormons made polygamy alright and they're "Christian". Protestants dont necessarily agree but give the green light to homosexuality. Jehova's Witnesses dont allow blood transfusions i could go on forever.

 

[Dracos]

After all we're still missing large chunks of The Bible thanks to the Catholic Church censoring anything it doesnt like, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if there was a passage in the New Testament saying homosexuality is ok.

Is that from the Yaoi version of the bible. Althought a bloke hanging out with his twelve mates all the time does raise some questions. Either they were a real bunch of lads, or there is something else going on in the missing passages.

Hey im just saying anythings possible. I didnt mean theres a passage in there right now about homosexuality, i mean the Catholic Church decides what is "allowed" in the Bible - theres a lot of things ommited.
Hell Mormons made polygamy alright and they're "Christian". Protestants dont necessarily agree but give the green light to homosexuality. Jehova's Witnesses dont allow blood transfusions i could go on forever.

I was joshing a little over your comment and topically bringing anime/manga into a thread on an A&M forum.

A little more serious here I wonder how many Christians realise that many of the gospels were written between 50-200 years after the people in them were supposed to have existed. Also I wonder if they realise how much stuff was rewritten and how many other accounts were censored/discarded by the guys at the top.

I don't believe religion is the root of all evil, but has been used to justify too many wrong things.

I am probably going to go away from this this topic now as I try not to do "Flame Wars" and religion is just one of those things that can get me started.

 

[Ryo Chan]

I am probably going to go away from this this topic now as I try not to do "Flame Wars" and religion is just one of those things that can get me started.

i'll give the thread some credit, i expected them to start by page 3 :

 

[Kurogane]

Despite the absolute toss being discussed in this thread, sense seems to bursting through with the majority.

OH SHI- atheism is kicking ass in the poll.

 

[Gacha]

After all we're still missing large chunks of The Bible thanks to the Catholic Church censoring anything it doesnt like, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if there was a passage in the New Testament saying homosexuality is ok.

Is that from the Yaoi version of the bible. Althought a bloke hanging out with his twelve mates all the time does raise some questions. Either they were a real bunch of lads, or there is something else going on in the missing passages.

Hey im just saying anythings possible. I didnt mean theres a passage in there right now about homosexuality, i mean the Catholic Church decides what is "allowed" in the Bible - theres a lot of things ommited.
Hell Mormons made polygamy alright and they're "Christian". Protestants dont necessarily agree but give the green light to homosexuality. Jehova's Witnesses dont allow blood transfusions i could go on forever.

I was joshing a little over your comment and topically bringing anime/manga into a thread on an A&M forum.

A little more serious here I wonder how many Christians realise that many of the gospels were written between 50-200 years after the people in them were supposed to have existed. Also I wonder if they realise how much stuff was rewritten and how many other accounts were censored/discarded by the guys at the top.

I don't believe religion is the root of all evil, but has been used to justify too many wrong things.

I am probably going to go away from this this topic now as I try not to do "Flame Wars" and religion is just one of those things that can get me started.

From what i understand the christians are not bothered with the history of the bible(after all word of god no need to worry about the small deatils like dates).

 

[Rui]

I think it depends on the church; as catholics we were taught in the parishes I used to be part of that it was all man's interpretation of events and the pope's papers would clarify fuzzy bits. I think that was an attempt to smudge over any parts we thought were contradictory by blaming it on the scribes rather than the "reality" ;p

Since catholics are often not unfairly portrayed as the domineering ones who masterminded the modern bible anyway, I think that it was interesting they taught me that too - so I'm sure the more relaxed denominations have a whole spectrum of beliefs about the bible's origins. A lot of followers tend to be ignorant in general though, like christians who go to church weekly but have never tried to read a bible...

R