Religion: The Enemy of Reason?
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Liquid Skin
Magical Girl
I dont really see people's beef with baptism. I mean surely if you dont believe in God, the whole process is meaningless anyway, its not like you stand out in the crowd with this huge "Im Baptised!" sign.
I can understand it if it was done against your will and i do dislike how people are baptised as kids, they should find their own way to religion not be forced into it just because your family is religious. Then again they're only acting (in their minds) in your best interests so.....whatever
I can understand it if it was done against your will and i do dislike how people are baptised as kids, they should find their own way to religion not be forced into it just because your family is religious. Then again they're only acting (in their minds) in your best interests so.....whatever
Im probably wrong and gonna have people jump on me for saying this but, nowdays getting Baptised just seems like another way to celebrate the fact you have a child :lol: Another excuse to ask for presents, have lots of people over, big buffet and a piss up.
Thats just how im seeing things anyhoo.
Thats just how im seeing things anyhoo.
I think you're right, a lot of people just christen babies without thinking about it because it's one of those things you "just do". That and it stops everyone you meet asking you if it's been done yet. One of my family members (now atheist too, he followed me!) has a Buddhist wife and they were going to get their new child baptised. I asked why, and he realised he'd just been on auto-pilot after the chaos of the birth so instead he had a relaxed party for the family with no church involvement at all and saved himself some stress.
Sort of like people who don't believe in the christian deity getting married in churches because it's traditional. A mixture of tradition and peer pressure. Heck if I died now I bet my batty Catholic family would give me a religious burial against my wishes too given half the chance
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Sort of like people who don't believe in the christian deity getting married in churches because it's traditional. A mixture of tradition and peer pressure. Heck if I died now I bet my batty Catholic family would give me a religious burial against my wishes too given half the chance
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There are always these "prove god doesn't exist" comments but seriously, if God really did exist, and he is this kind, caring indivdual who wants to look after his children, then why would he let such things as famine, cancer, natural disasters happen?
He gave Noah a warning before he flooded the earth, why didn't anyone see the Burma Cyclone comming then?
He gave Noah a warning before he flooded the earth, why didn't anyone see the Burma Cyclone comming then?
If Jesus were to come back, do you think anyone would believe him? Perhaps think he is a mad man?
If your skeptic of God imagine what it was like back then. That Jesus was actually around but to have people still doubt him and even crucify him.
One cannot prove 100% that God does not exist. People seem to forget that we are a tiny speck in the universe and also that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So even with our intelligence, there is still a whole universe out there that we know relatively little about.
Effects? If you don't believe in God I don't see why people are upset about this. Since it would just be water being poured over your head.
I hope your joking in that chanting that will "fix" you, since you sound like a person who needs help anyway.
If your skeptic of God imagine what it was like back then. That Jesus was actually around but to have people still doubt him and even crucify him.
One cannot prove 100% that God does not exist. People seem to forget that we are a tiny speck in the universe and also that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So even with our intelligence, there is still a whole universe out there that we know relatively little about.
Kurogane said:
Effects? If you don't believe in God I don't see why people are upset about this. Since it would just be water being poured over your head.
I hope your joking in that chanting that will "fix" you, since you sound like a person who needs help anyway.
awadama
Mad Scientist
How do you know? Should God have gone to CNN? Maybe he told some random farmer somewhere out in the sticks, and no one else will ever hear about it.Ryo Chan said:
...and considering God had no issues hammering Egypt with frogs, locusts and the death of firstborn children, how do cancer or a few earthquakes prove anything?
awadama
Mad Scientist
I'm not sure where you're getting this "fun" idea from...I don't think he makes this stuff happen just for a Barry Chuckle.
If someone owns a dog and it's crapping everywhere, shredding up the wallpaper and trying to molest next door's poodle, it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to give the dog a serious shouting-at.
Is the person punishing the dog to discipline it, or because they genuinely enjoy shouting at dogs?
If someone owns a dog and it's crapping everywhere, shredding up the wallpaper and trying to molest next door's poodle, it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to give the dog a serious shouting-at.
Is the person punishing the dog to discipline it, or because they genuinely enjoy shouting at dogs?
Liquid Skin
Magical Girl
You're also forgetting that religion by its very definition is about faith - its about taking a step in the dark and praying that your God/Gods/Higher Power will help you, not about scientifically proven facts of stimulus and reaction.
I dont want to go down the whole "this is what the Bible says" trip but our time spent here is supposed to be a test, its not supposed to be fun or easy, thus the whole lack of marshmallow sweets and chocolate rainstorms. If God came down and helped us out at every opporunity we wouldnt learn from our mistakes, we wouldnt progress and we wouldnt grow.
Then again humanity has this really annoying habit of shooting itself in the foot.....again and again and again and again and again. You'd think we'd learned how to operate the safety by now.
Btw im not trying to preach or anything here, just trying to shed some light on the situation thats all seeing as the religious people in this forum seem to be securely in the minority
I dont want to go down the whole "this is what the Bible says" trip but our time spent here is supposed to be a test, its not supposed to be fun or easy, thus the whole lack of marshmallow sweets and chocolate rainstorms. If God came down and helped us out at every opporunity we wouldnt learn from our mistakes, we wouldnt progress and we wouldnt grow.
Then again humanity has this really annoying habit of shooting itself in the foot.....again and again and again and again and again. You'd think we'd learned how to operate the safety by now.
Btw im not trying to preach or anything here, just trying to shed some light on the situation thats all seeing as the religious people in this forum seem to be securely in the minority
CitizenGeek
Guild Member
How about the Evolution debate? Another corrupting effect of religion is that it stalls intelligent, reasonable thought. The fact that so many Christians actually believe in 'Creationism' is crazy. 'Creationism' is a preposterous, mind-shrinking falsehood, yet many Christians continue to spout it as being absolute truth.
But this person has not created that dog with a nature to misbehave. God, by his Christian definition at least, has created humankind, and therefore has created flawed people and so he punishes people for being flawed, even though he's responsible for them being flawed. That is a rather sadistic God.
Dawkins once described the Islamic/Christian/Jewish God as being "a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, infanticidal, genocidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully". And I'm inclined to agree; why would anyone want to believe in such a God?
Aaron said:
But this person has not created that dog with a nature to misbehave. God, by his Christian definition at least, has created humankind, and therefore has created flawed people and so he punishes people for being flawed, even though he's responsible for them being flawed. That is a rather sadistic God.
Dawkins once described the Islamic/Christian/Jewish God as being "a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, infanticidal, genocidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully". And I'm inclined to agree; why would anyone want to believe in such a God?
You can reference the story of Job for that. It's used as an example of perseverance and that even through suffering Job will still worship God. Yeah that's great but who's the one that inflicted all the pain and suffering on Job? That's right God himself. He took everything from Job (family, wealth) then whats more gave him disfiguring boils and made him live til he was 140 all because the devil said 'I bet he wouldnt worship you if bad stuff were happening to him' and to that God said 'Oh yeah?' and proved his point.
Who's the real devil in that story?
Who's the real devil in that story?
CitizenGeek
Guild Member
There are many stories in the Bible that back up Dawkin's assessment of the Judeo-Christian God, the story of Job is just one of them.
Tachi
Mushi-shi
Liquid Skin said:You're also forgetting that religion by its very definition is about faith - its about taking a step in the dark and praying that your God/Gods/Higher Power will help you, not about scientifically proven facts of stimulus and reaction.
I dont want to go down the whole "this is what the Bible says" trip but our time spent here is supposed to be a test, its not supposed to be fun or easy, thus the whole lack of marshmallow sweets and chocolate rainstorms. If God came down and helped us out at every opporunity we wouldnt learn from our mistakes, we wouldnt progress and we wouldnt grow.
Then again humanity has this really annoying habit of shooting itself in the foot.....again and again and again and again and again. You'd think we'd learned how to operate the safety by now.
Btw im not trying to preach or anything here, just trying to shed some light on the situation thats all seeing as the religious people in this forum seem to be securely in the minority
AHHMEN MA BROTHA, ITSA OUR WORLDA, AND WERE BREAKING IT DOWNA, REJOICE AND PREACHA, THE LORDA IS HERE
Lmao sorry, couldn't contain the urge
I agree that humanity no matter how advanced we are, whe still manage to shoot ourselves in the foot and never seem to learn that
(another quote)
"War doesn't justify who is right, only who is left"
these religious based wars are pathetic. fighting in the name of god.
well if earth is your testdrive for where you go in the afterlife. then do those who fight in the name of god seriously think that their doing the right thing to get into heaven?
just have one thing to say to those people, revise the 10 comandments before thinking that killing in the name of god is a good thing.
Liquid Skin
Magical Girl
On the whole issue of creationism vs evolution, i take neither side - evolution has some major flaws in it too y'know . I remember seeing a documentary showing some creatures which were too intricate to have changed ever so slightly over time, it just wasnt possible. I'll try to find it when im not having to type on the ps3
With that said its the best theory we've got.
Oh and lol tachi, u seen th mad Christian guy in the borat film? Funny as hell.
With that said its the best theory we've got.
Oh and lol tachi, u seen th mad Christian guy in the borat film? Funny as hell.
Tachi
Mushi-shi
Liquid Skin said:On the whole issue of creationism vs evolution, i take neither side - evolution has some major flaws in it too y'know . I remember seeing a documentary showing some creatures which were too intricate to have changed ever so slightly over time, it just wasnt possible. I'll try to find it when im not having to type on the ps3
With that said its the best theory we've got.
Oh and lol tachi, u seen th mad Christian guy in the borat film? Funny as hell.
lol borat is a niiiiice film :thumb: