Release plans for Durarara, Baccano & Eden of the East
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ayase said:
Ah, so because people think the price point is too high that automatically makes them poor? What great logic that is. I'd love to see you buy your first home, I'm guessing you're too young to own one, but an estate agent would lap your attitude right up! Why haggle? Only poor people wouldn't pay the asking price!?!
When this fails to sell, and prevents Beez from implementing a similar licensing strategy again in the future, it won't be those 'poor' people that are the problem. If anyone honestly believes a pricing and release structure that was put in place for something as anticipated as Gurren Lagann will work for a relatively obscure sub only release, they're bonkers.
I genuinely hope Beez don't ignore those 'poor' people (including myself apparently), and pay attention to those selfish enough to only care whether it is within their means, irrespective of the negative affect it could have on wider sales.
HdE
Comic Book Guy
My two cents on Durarara:
The proposed release plan has seen my enthusiasm for the show almost vanish. I've gone from thinking 'This could be interesting! Can I squirrel money away for a pre-order?' to 'I'll pick it up when it gets a cheaper re-release.'
Forty quid for Baccano seems a bit steep, too, in my opinion.
The proposed release plan has seen my enthusiasm for the show almost vanish. I've gone from thinking 'This could be interesting! Can I squirrel money away for a pre-order?' to 'I'll pick it up when it gets a cheaper re-release.'
Forty quid for Baccano seems a bit steep, too, in my opinion.
ayase
State Alchemist
Take things less seriously. I simply wonder why, when everything is available free at the push of a button, people see fit to complain about 'high' prices (which are actually a lot lower than singles releases and boxed sets three to five years ago). Don't want to pay them? Don't! You have that choice now. I imagine a lot of you have watched these shows for nowt already.BAKA said:
I will admit that I'm unhappy with the price of official releases sometimes, but that's always to do with price to quality ratio. Oh, and I'm 24.
sic vita est
Dandy Guy, in Space
The complete Baccano! set was only released in the US at the end of 2009, so I'm not viewing that as too steep a price given the rewatch value and the fact no-one's likely to be paying full RRP for it.
Durarara!! however... it's a question of people being willing to pay a premium for getting it quickly (very quickly for the UK), and not being fussed about a dub. Then there's the CR stream possibly being a factor in sales, so not sure how much Beez can extrapolate from the sales figures if this is the trial run for this kind of release model.
Baccano! I'll pick up if I can get it for £30 or so, Durarara!! is looking uncertain for me at those prices (will likely watch the CR stream for a few episodes and then decide).
Durarara!! however... it's a question of people being willing to pay a premium for getting it quickly (very quickly for the UK), and not being fussed about a dub. Then there's the CR stream possibly being a factor in sales, so not sure how much Beez can extrapolate from the sales figures if this is the trial run for this kind of release model.
Baccano! I'll pick up if I can get it for £30 or so, Durarara!! is looking uncertain for me at those prices (will likely watch the CR stream for a few episodes and then decide).
As both are already available here for free streaming, on youtube and CR respectively. I'd rather get a decent disk release than barebones.HdE said:
£25 (£40- 40%for pre order on Amazon et al) for 15 eps isn't that bad.
Real price for DRRR would be £75(what TTGL is), comparing that to 26 eps of newish stuff from FUNi (Soul Eater ~$80 for two of the sets on Amazon, taking into acount import VAT (but not shipping+other customs) would be £65(easily £75 including them). So comparable to costs of other US first releases (not cheaper boxsets). So we get it at the same price but earlier and probably with decent bonuses (like other Beez singles), why is anyone complaining.
In relation to DRRR BD, the video of the inteview got posted on here somewhere.
UK-Anime.net said:
ConanThe3rd
Railgun
I have to say I don't agree with the price point for Durarara ether.
I'd rather it closer to £20 RRP. That price point is the reason I don't have Gurren Lagann yet.
I'd rather it closer to £20 RRP. That price point is the reason I don't have Gurren Lagann yet.
The price does make me a bit sad on Drrr for the same reason I still havn't got round to buying 00 atm.
However, I'm not going to complain about it. I know Beez arn't going to try and screw us in the *** for our money. Remember when they pushed down the price for Geass because we all thought it was too high including them and managed to get it down? I don't think they would overprice us. I think this is just as cheap as they can get away with considering the price to get it. It sadly means I won't be able to buy it right away though.
However, I'm not going to complain about it. I know Beez arn't going to try and screw us in the *** for our money. Remember when they pushed down the price for Geass because we all thought it was too high including them and managed to get it down? I don't think they would overprice us. I think this is just as cheap as they can get away with considering the price to get it. It sadly means I won't be able to buy it right away though.
Actually It'd be cheaper right away (pre-order) than later. If their other releases are anything to go by, they don't apear to lose value very fast.
It's a similar RRP to what it would cost as 6 singles, which is to be expected. And should come decently presented with some extras. If it's anything like Baccano was those DVD special eps aren't going to be irrelevant to the plot either.
It's a similar RRP to what it would cost as 6 singles, which is to be expected. And should come decently presented with some extras. If it's anything like Baccano was those DVD special eps aren't going to be irrelevant to the plot either.
ayase said:
Really you can't understand why people are expressing concerns over the price, purely because it's available streaming for free? I fail to see a correlation. So what if you can stream it for free? This should put people off from wanting to buy and support releases like this why? Just because people don't want to pay £25-35 a volume means they should just shut up because it's free streaming anyway? Such lovely attitude like that will really see the industry in great shape in the future.
Beez should hopefully take great notice that many of the people in the thread announcing Durarara!! who were eager to pick the title up have suddenly become apprehensive based on the discussion of a £35 RRP.
Andrew posts here (and other UK anime forums) for a reason, and it's suggestions like bringing over the Anime Legends line, which spurned something that sold really well for Beez. It's people’s discussion of price point being a reason that the Geass RRP came down. If everyone had your attitude, or followed the philosophy that we should just shut up and not 'complain', I wonder if we'd have seen a budget line of releases, or so many people who had never picked up a single Beez title before suddenly picking up several.
Maybe you can't see the point of a public discussion of price point in a place Beez is active, but it's pretty obvious to everyone else.
ayase said:
Obviously. I'd rather make the choice to buy this and support this type of release, as I'm sure most of the people expressing concerns over the price point are. I'm not expecting them to give it away; I’m expecting a reasonable release balanced by current market competitors.
ayase said:
So? It's officially available streaming, with a proportion of membership fee's and presumably advertising revenue going to the creators. Why should this stop me from wanting to pick up a physical release?
beez_andrew
Great Teacher
Durial666 said:
To be fair I also listened to the other suggestions - just as I am doing with this thread in general
. As ever its welcome and as ever can see what can be done but keep in mind that the cost of a dub in general does not actually cost that much more for the UK in general because its on loan from the USA usually.Also the fact there are no Australian masters means a high extra cost to transcode the materials. So over two releases at £39.99 the number of sales would likely be unrealistic but I'll take a look at if other options are available so watch this space folk
.(still having trouble logging into the forums hence my delay replying)
Neferpitou
Stand User
beez_andrew said:Durial666 said:
To be fair I also listened to the other suggestions - just as I am doing with this thread in general
Also the fact there are no Australian masters means a high extra cost to transcode the materials. So over two releases at £39.99 the number of sales would likely be unrealistic but I'll take a look at if other options are available so watch this space folk
(still having trouble logging into the forums hence my delay replying)
Surely it going to save quite a bit on BBFC as it costs 6 pound a minute with 24 episodes with I guess each episode 24 minutes long. A grand total £3456 saved as it only have Japanese with sub rated.
With Durarara!! considered a big enough show to make it over surely it will make Australia as well at some point. So while its more expensive to transcode the materials now, eventually madman will coming knocking and offer fee to use encoded you already done.
ayase
State Alchemist
@Baka (cause I can't be arsed to quote and reply to specific points)
Like I said, don't take things so seriously. Streaming? Har har. Also, plenty of fansubbed Japanese DVD rips available to torrent. I really don't understand the logic of anyone who says "Oh God, I could pay £40 for this or I could steal it, but I want to pay £17.99 for it!" If you can afford the £40, pay it. If you can't, just nab it free of charge. Enough people will pay £40 for it to be a worthwhile release; there probably wouldn't be twice as many sales if it were £20, anime just isn't that popular.
I was one of those pushing for budget releases not long ago. But budget releases of old shows, ones which had already been released in single volumes and were much cheaply available in the US (i.e. Anime Legends). That was damaging to the UK industry as everyone just imported. What I like about the direction Beez have taken is that they now cater both to the collectors like myself (who like high quality releases and are prepared to pay a premium for them) and to the budget buyers with the AL line; but at a later point in time. I don't think it's reasonable to demand a new show be released in it's entirety for less than about £40. £10 per disc has always seemed about fair to me for a new release.
Like I said, don't take things so seriously. Streaming? Har har. Also, plenty of fansubbed Japanese DVD rips available to torrent. I really don't understand the logic of anyone who says "Oh God, I could pay £40 for this or I could steal it, but I want to pay £17.99 for it!" If you can afford the £40, pay it. If you can't, just nab it free of charge. Enough people will pay £40 for it to be a worthwhile release; there probably wouldn't be twice as many sales if it were £20, anime just isn't that popular.
I was one of those pushing for budget releases not long ago. But budget releases of old shows, ones which had already been released in single volumes and were much cheaply available in the US (i.e. Anime Legends). That was damaging to the UK industry as everyone just imported. What I like about the direction Beez have taken is that they now cater both to the collectors like myself (who like high quality releases and are prepared to pay a premium for them) and to the budget buyers with the AL line; but at a later point in time. I don't think it's reasonable to demand a new show be released in it's entirety for less than about £40. £10 per disc has always seemed about fair to me for a new release.
beez_andrew
Great Teacher
Dave said:beez_andrew said:Durial666 said:
To be fair I also listened to the other suggestions - just as I am doing with this thread in general
Also the fact there are no Australian masters means a high extra cost to transcode the materials. So over two releases at £39.99 the number of sales would likely be unrealistic but I'll take a look at if other options are available so watch this space folk
(still having trouble logging into the forums hence my delay replying)
Surely it going to save quite a bit on BBFC as it costs 6 pound a minute with 24 episodes with I guess each episode 24 minutes long. A grand total £3456 saved as it only have Japanese with sub rated.
With Durarara!! considered a big enough show to make it over surely it will make Australia as well at some point. So while its more expensive to transcode the materials now, eventually madman will coming knocking and offer fee to use encoded you already done.
Doesn't really work like that for a number of reasons - the biggest of which being a lack of Australian masters costs just under that that PER TAPE to transcode so any saving is greatly outweighed by the cost to transcode.
Nice thinking but ultimately on the grand scale of production it doesn't work out as a great saving sadly.
ayase said:
Har har? I'd say the streaming is quite a big deal, considering most of the people who are interested in Durarara!! are people who have watched the stream and come away as fans. If it wasn't for the stream Durarara!! would be a pretty unknown quantity, and one people would struggle to find a reason to buy at a £35 blind buy.
ayase said:
That's no ones opinion at all, you're completely twisting things. I, nor anyone here has mentioned they would rather illegally download the series here than buy it. What people are saying is they would rather buy it and support it, but they're apprehensive about the costs. Completely different. Considering how your narrow opinion has been here, I'm not surprised at all that this is how you see it, but it's so far from the truth.
ayase said:
Everything is so black and white eh? I'm not prepared to pay for this, what amounts to more than the cost of my last two Blu-ray purchases (Ponyo & The Sky Crawlers). It's just not reasonable to me.
ayase said:
You find this damaging to the industry, but you're happy to tell people, as you have in this very topic, to go and download the show if you're not prepared to pay for it? That's so rich. Such care you show. It's amazing you've identitifed this as damaging, but you can't see huge discrepancies between company competitors prices as damaging.
ayase said:
I love the way you assume these are two completely different sets of buyer. I have Anime Legends sets on my shelf, alongside the Code Geass sets, Gundam 00, etc.
ayase said:
No one is suggesting they want this to be available for less than £40. Certainly not me. £10 per disc has always seemed fair to me for a new release too, but that's not what we're seeing here, is it?
GreenTango
Dandy Guy, in Space
Well thats disappointing, for a sub only release durarara is very expensive, will probbly avoid a purchase until it drops in price now.
Like the idea of a blu ray release of eden of the east and at a reasonable price, will get this for sure
Like the idea of a blu ray release of eden of the east and at a reasonable price, will get this for sure
Neferpitou
Stand User
beez_andrew said:Dave said:beez_andrew said:Durial666 said:
To be fair I also listened to the other suggestions - just as I am doing with this thread in general
Also the fact there are no Australian masters means a high extra cost to transcode the materials. So over two releases at £39.99 the number of sales would likely be unrealistic but I'll take a look at if other options are available so watch this space folk
(still having trouble logging into the forums hence my delay replying)
Surely it going to save quite a bit on BBFC as it costs 6 pound a minute with 24 episodes with I guess each episode 24 minutes long. A grand total £3456 saved as it only have Japanese with sub rated.
With Durarara!! considered a big enough show to make it over surely it will make Australia as well at some point. So while its more expensive to transcode the materials now, eventually madman will coming knocking and offer fee to use encoded you already done.
Doesn't really work like that for a number of reasons - the biggest of which being a lack of Australian masters costs just under that that PER TAPE to transcode so any saving is greatly outweighed by the cost to transcode.
Nice thinking but ultimately on the grand scale of production it doesn't work out as a great saving sadly.
With No English Dub on disc you also going to avoid paying US companies to use their Dub. With the cost of making an English voice track for anime so high, I bet they would charge quite high price for theirs being used.
Doing the master yourself is calculated risk in finance terms, as it could end up costing you a lot more than normal or not so much. It varies if Madman or another company in Europe comes to purchase the use of the masters off you at some point.
I couldn't imagine Madman won't license Durarara!! when its one more popular new shows at the moment, you yourselves wouldn't risk releasing Sub only series if it wasn't a big title. The lack of English Dub may put them off but it would still strange for them not to license it at some point. So its very likely money will be made back on video encoding.
Not having DUB will still save quite a bit of money, at least it will take a couple hundred less volume release sales to break even with no English Dub on disc.
A release pattern and price matching Gurren Lagann when Durarara!! with it having 3 less episodes, no English Dub '(Manga belive it makes a massive difference in sales) and with it not being as popular show, it does not look too good that Durarara!! will be good seller.