old vs new

ayase said:
People are bothered by how the things they like are percieved by others?
I'm allowed, I'm young.

Still that wasn't my point; just that I find excessive fanservice unhelpful and tedious, and I think Irony's point is that sometimes said fanservice can also help fuel stereotypes (unfairly) and prevent people checking out material which they'd otherwise enjoy.

I've watched a few episodes of Seikon no Qwasar and the first series of Queen's Blade so I'm not allergic to fanservice, I just find it frustrating when shows sometimes seem to feel the need for fanservice, even when its just not needed or neccessary (and in some cases is harmful to the intent of the show).

A case in point would be Gonzo's Rosario and Vampire; it's a light watch, but the viewing base would have been far better served if Gonzo had focused on following the mangas storyline that serving up fanservice opportunities at every poosible opportunity.
 
^ hey there are people (including girls) that likes 2D characters by the way does anyone know if Seikon no Qwasar is going to have a US release. get back to the old vs new
 
animefreak17 said:
get back to the old vs new
Of all the annoying piss-take things you post, the little comments about staying on topic are the most annoyingly piss-takey, so for you to repeat it in the space of two posts is just off the chart.

Rui said:
It does look dorky in things like GitS TV when the main character walks around dressed like a hooker and is meant to be taken seriously
Really? I'm with ayase in the "this stands out like a regular thumb" crowd. The series just makes you ignore it, to the extent that I'm not even sure if it's even "something" to ignore.

but I didn't like that series for plenty of other reasons
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I'd say that this might be clouding your judgement on the other thing, but my literal disbelief may be clouding my judgement now. ^^;

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I had something of my own to say about fanservice, but I forgot. :( It was probably some kind of inevitable agreement with ayase.
 
I think the fact that I was bored so much when I watched SAC may explain why I had so much free time to get irritated by Kusanagi's choice of attire ^^;. Somehow I just didn't get on with it at all.

It may be something I'd appreciate more if I tried to watch it again, but, like Escaflowne before it, having a bad experience trying to watch it once doesn't really encourage me to try it again. It doesn't help that I don't like the character designs much ;_;

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Rui said:
It doesn't help that I don't like the character designs much ;_;

To an extent, I can understand that. It didn't bother me too much once I got into the story, but the character designs are much harsher than they were in the manga. I do think they're easier on the eye than those used in the Oshii films though.

You've got to love Togusa's mullet though. Between that and Batou's ponytail, I think they've kept up an amusing link to the manga's '80s origin.
 
teonzo said:
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Teo

That **** needs spoilering for the sake off my pants!!
 
*cracks knuckles*

Ah, good old fanservice, my second favourite thing in the world to playa hate on after Richard Dawkins.

See now, I can just about tolerate fan service in shows like Gureen Lagaan (I don't know how to spell it), although I could never say I find it particularly "charming", and can't really see what charm the show would lose if it didn't have it (apart from it being less practical for a rodent to live in a pair of B cups?), but I guess it is part GL's thing for whatever reason. What does concern me though, is just the sheer volume of shows that seem to consider it an essential ingredient for all anime, ranging from children's shows( e.g Naruto, which I have now just discovered is a word on my spell check program :? ) to what are supposed to be fairly mature shows aimed at supposedly mature people.

Looking at the issue outside of the "Well it doesn't get in the way of the plot" angle (Which I disagree with, have you seen the size of those mammaries!? They get in the way of the whole screen!) can we really ignore/ deny the negative consequences of such degrading sexulization? Especially how it might effect the self esteem/self image of young Japanese girls? Japan, unlike the rest of the world is a place that has considerable exposure to anime and therefore the anime produced does have an effect on that society. Japan isn't exactly the bustiest nation on the planet either (thats right, they lied!). So tell me, are the ridiculous stereotypes of the female body (whether stupidly busty or stupidly skinny with a skirt higher then your nickers) going to help Japanese girls embrace their own bodies?
As I said, it's not that some shows indulge in such tropes, it's that seemingly the majority of programs indulge.

Maybe I'm thinking about this too hard, in fact I know I am. But I'm quite a serious person, really, so I can't help but feel disappointed when a show I'm otherwise enjoying feels the need to whip out a piece of over sexualization which feel's like it belongs to a bygone era, but which could not exist in any other era than the current in many ways debauched one we live in.

Also it could be worth considering that this is one of the factors which currently alienates the anime market from a wider audience? If the industry stopped feeling the need to live up to it's stereotype as others have mentioned, it could find acceptance farther afield. But the studios seem too obsessed with satiating it's current particular and narrow audience to see the big picture.

It's not like I'm suggesting we get rid of anything really important to anime, like say err.. big eye's (which is actually a worthwhile argument in it's self, but I won't go there now)?. Just that the amount of BS (and that stands for ********, not Boy....Something) get's cut back a bit were it's really not needed.

To an extent, I can understand that. It didn't bother me too much once I got into the story, but the character designs are much harsher than they were in the manga. I do think they're easier on the eye than those used in the Oshii films though.

You've got to love Togusa's mullet though. Between that and Batou's ponytail, I think they've kept up an amusing link to the manga's '80s origin.

Really? I think the majority of GITS character designs are rather good, it's mainly just Matoko (in SAC) that I don't like. Funnily enough I really liked the designs in Oshii's movie, I thought Matoko looked much more interesting and credible in it.
 
vashdaman said:
Really? I think the majority of GITS character designs are rather good, it's mainly just Matoko (in SAC) that I don't like. Funnily enough I really liked the designs in Oshii's movie, I thought Matoko looked much more interesting and credible in it.

It's not so much that I dislike the designs in SAC, but I think they've inherited some of the sterile look from Oshii's version. I guess it's appropriate, given the subject matter (especially in the films), but I miss the warmth and humour of Shirow's originals:

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Check out the cut scenes from the first GitS psx game as well. It makes an interesting comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CohPQ4YR-4
 
vashdaman said:
can we really ignore/ deny the negative consequences of such degrading sexulization?
Mmm... I can ignore it, yeah (I don't think I've really got the time to devote to denying it - I've still to draw up a response for our other thread).

vashdaman said:
So tell me, are the ridiculous stereotypes of the female body (whether stupidly busty or stupidly skinny with a skirt higher then your nickers) going to help Japanese girls embrace their own bodies?
That's not a problem with anime, that's a problem with each individual's self esteem. I don't think a single anime carries a message that there's a particular way people should look; unlike say, the world of modelling. Besides, do you reckon many Japanese girls watch the shows with the overt fanservice aimed at guys? I doubt it, and think their reaction to those shows is probably little different to that of Western women: to shake their heads and say "Tch, men."
 
Check out the cut scenes from the first GitS psx game as well. It makes an interesting comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CohPQ4YR-4

Thanks! Yeah, I see what you mean now. Those cut scenes are definitely the closest to the Manga and actually look very good. Although I still do like Oshii's more sobre style too.

Mmm... I can ignore it, yeah (I don't think I've really got the time to devote to denying it - I've still to draw up a response for our other thread).

lol, fair enough.

single anime carries a message that there's a particular way people should look; unlike say, the world of modelling

Well, to an extent it does as I can't recall to mind a particularly chubby female protagonist, and they usually do all look quite similar. But yeah, the modeling world is pretty ****** too.

hey vash i bet your excited to get trigun movie aren't lol

Err...yeah...
 
iv watched blue gender and for a old anime its really good il be watching disc 3 tomorrow if your in to classics i suggest blue gender its really good its a little like robotech exept a 100 x times better and not as old
 
animefreak17 said:
iv watched blue gender and for a old anime its really good il be watching disc 3 tomorrow if your in to classics i suggest blue gender its really good its a little like robotech exept a 100 x times better and not as old

A good series which I already own on dvd. The movie is not as good (a compilation movie with a different ending). I originally saw the series on the Sci-fi channel.
 
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mangaman74 said:
animefreak17 said:
iv watched blue gender and for a old anime its really good il be watching disc 3 tomorrow if your in to classics i suggest blue gender its really good its a little like robotech exept a 100 x times better and not as old

A good series which I already own on dvd. The movie is not as good (a compilation movie with a different ending). I originally saw the series on the Sci-fi channel.

wait!............. the series was on sci-fi. well it deserves to be on sci-fi. all we have is crappy supernatural shows today on sci-fi sorry syfy to people who dont know how its spelled lol.

but yeah blue gender has a robotech season 3 story to it in a way but it really is worth watching it not all about the mechs its mostly adventure and servivle
 
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