old vs new

vashdaman said:
apparently Eden was "female oriented"
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This is according to nothing though really, just people making assumptions based on the fact it aired in noitaminA, not realizing that they were going to start targeting other audiences in that slot.

I agree with your less "artsy" definition of noitaminA, overall, but it definitely has something similar to what people mean when they use "artsy" as a positive term. The main thing it pleases me with is its dedication to anime-original shows. I liked Anime no Chikara for this, too.
 
It was according to the man himself, Kamiyama. I read it in an interview with him in Neo. I think possibly the biggest concession they made was with the character's been designed by the Honey and Clover author, but even this is only really noticeable most of the time with Saki, and I think think the style goes well with the show. I guess the show is kinda Bourne-lite with added young love aspects, which might make it more appealing to females, but I still think it's still pretty broad in it's appeal.


At least, that's what I tell myself to reassure my ego that I'm still manly...
 
Wow, really? I wonder if making out like that was the case was part of the "deal" to get it put in noitaminA, because I still wouldn't believe it even if he told me in person, never mind print. :lol:
 
Rui said:
The spectre of dodgy CG clips lasted for years too, but now if anything I'd say that average animation quality is much higher than in the old days (cheaper series can do more, it seems, with less?).
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There is without doubt more actual movement in your average modern TV series. It's come at a cost: Fist of the North Star hardly ever moves, but you have to appreciate the detail etched into the characters' faces and clothing in those stills. Today that detail is all but gone, allowing more fluid movement, which I'd say is a net positive.

I'll always be fond of 80s designs but overall I'm glad we are where we are. And of course you've gotta love the more pervasive fanservice. In the first episode of Urusei Yatsura several characters remarked that Lum was "busty" despite probably being no more than a C-cup. Fast forward almost 30 years and... (do not click if distressed by clothed cartoon breasts).
 
^ fan service is awesome ^_^ back in the day there were only few ecchi animes but even those were awesome.

i brought this anime called salaryman kintaro ( i think it was made in the late 80s) and i got to say the first time i watched it i was amazed.
 
Professor Irony said:
Call me an old stick in the mud, but I just find fanservice on that level embarrassing. See also TTGL.
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I do find fanservice pretty intrusive... it's like gratuitous nudity in regular movies, there's a time and a place, and a distinct genre, no less, where that stuff is a-ok.

edit: @ fablun: I love that the description of appearance for Cattyela says that her breasts are "restrained" XD seems the most apt word...
 
I love Cattleya >_>;

I can't think of many cases where I have found fanservice getting in the way of sensible plotlines. It does look dorky in things like GitS TV when the main character walks around dressed like a hooker and is meant to be taken seriously, but I didn't like that series for plenty of other reasons, and most serious shows seem to manage to separate business and pleasure more elegantly.

The service in TTGL was part of the charm, for me.

R
 
I don't mind fanservice but Cattleya doesn't do it for me. Those breasts are waaaaay to big.

As for old vs new - like someone said earlier, there is good and bad in every decade.
 
fabricatedlunatic said:
I'll always be fond of 80s designs but overall I'm glad we are where we are. And of course you've gotta love the more pervasive fanservice. In the first episode of Urusei Yatsura several characters remarked that Lum was "busty" despite probably being no more than a C-cup. Fast forward almost 30 years and... (do not click if distressed by clothed cartoon breasts).
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Given that inceasing bust sizes seem to go hand in hand with expanding waistlines, original series Lum probably was busty in early 80s Japan. Besides, I rather miss those perky little 80s boobs (FYI, Rui told me to come in here and ratchet up the level of perversion, at least that's how I chose to interpret her comment). Fluidity of animation has improved lesser studios' Gainaxing in recent years, but you still see plenty of unnatural flesh coloured bowling balls strapped to girls' chests; and that's a horror we should all be committed to stamping out.

I thought Kusanagi's outfit in 1st Gig was a bit silly as well, but who's to say she doesn't enjoy dressing like a hooker? If that's considered appropriate workwear in the future then bring on the future. Her utility catsuit / jumpsuit / tank overalls (whatever you call an item of clothing like that) was miles sexier though.

I don't think fanservice has ever really gotten in the way; if it's so overt that it detracts from the plot then the plot probably wasn't the main focus of the show. Perhaps we could make them more realistic by adding more fan-service and debauchery to real life?
 
^ totally agree

in ttgl i think most ecchi fans that was watching the hot spring episode was like *those dame F****** teasers* lol.

i think lum ( that oni girl with the horns ) was probably the first anime girl that all the boys wanted
 
I am prefer new anime because animation is excellent and art design character. I think new anime pace is better than old anime pace because old pace make me boring. Old anime and new anime storyline is always interesting. Please not argue with me because i have option.
 
Did someone say plot?
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Good show though loved the part Elis was shaking her maracas

I noticed it on Maken-ki! I thought it was a Romantic/Comedy. Then I saw the opening with Haruko, wearing a school uniform which looked like a cumber-band for a skirt and everything else fitting like Lycra and noted it was gonna be one of "those" shows.
 
I don't mind SOME fanservice or fanservice that is there for an actual plot reason (I'm a guy, if I was opposed to ALL fanservice, there'd potentially be a problem), but the excessive use in some shows does get irritating.
I dropped Queen's Blade as that's all there was to it in the large part, I also finished Asobi ni Iku Yo, but wasn't that fond of it.

I watch anime because I find the storylines and characters interesting, in the sense a lot of them obviously don't come from a western background, if I want to stare at ****s or legs all day I'll just go do a quick type on google.
Anime has a bad enough stereotypical rep half the time, without actually going out of the way to justify some of the stereotypes :D
 
alexrose1uk said:
Anime has a bad enough stereotypical rep half the time, without actually going out of the way to justify some of the stereotypes
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Precisely. This is exactly what gets me about the Major's attire through so much of SAC - were it not for that, you could hold the show aloft to non-anime people as an example of a top-notch science-fiction series. Instead you have to preface it with, "oh by the way, the main character is allergic to trousers".

I'd also agree that fan-service is perfectly tolerable up to a point (I'll quite happily watch Cobra or the Dirty Pair), but it's when it gets to that quasi-pornographic extreme that it just becomes utterly cringeworthy.
 
People are bothered by how the things they like are percieved by others? Geez guys, start caring less. I'm genuinely surprised anybody under the age of 60 would even be phased by Kusanagi's wardrobe... My mother ended up getting drawn into SAC when I first watched it (while I was still living at home) and she loved it.
 
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