Moe

[Reaper gI]

The other thing that irritates me is the whole joke about it being non sexual. RULE 34

Not joke, oddly.
It's originaly stated as being the other reaction to eroge excluding the ero aspect. It's sort of an inverse of rule 34.
As I said platonic love (meaning wether there's a sexual element or not is irrelevant to it and would be secondary).

The alternative view would be an equivalent to material that makes fangirls go "squee" but to for a male audience.

 

[kupocake]

Must kill Moe...

Whheeeeeeee!!!!!

 

[Genkina Hito]

Moe is creepy...　and so is anybody who watches it.


へんたい　です　よ！！！

 

[Jaymii]

Moe is creepy...　and so is anybody who watches it.

That opens up the question, though, what shows are moe?

 

[Reaper gI]

Moe is creepy...　and so is anybody who watches it.

That opens up the question, though, what shows are moe?

As I said in the other thread any show with humanoid characters could be considered moe... it's a bloody personal opinion.

Unless there is a show where every character is so bad no one whatsover likes any of them, that would be everything.

And they like Yotsubato which has tons of moe in it.

 

[ayase]

As I said in the other thread any show with humanoid characters could be considered moe... it's a bloody personal opinion.

Unless there is a show where every character is so bad no one whatsover likes any of them, that would be everything.

And they like Yotsubato which has tons of moe in it.

So if moe is personal opinion, then nothing can definitively be said to contain moe, surely? How do the two statements above which I've emboldened tally?

Personally I don't believe I feel moe for anything, but I do notice and dislike things which are obviously designed to evoke that feeling. Yotsuba for example, isn't. It's a sweet slice of life comedy - Azuma didn't write it with the intention of making people feel moe for Yotsuba (which incidentally, as a fan of the series, I don't).

 

[Jaymii]

My question was semi-tongue-in-cheek/semi-rhetorical, btw. This thread will literally go round in circles if the "what is it?" question keeps coming up.

 

[Reaper gI]

So if moe is personal opinion, then nothing can definitively be said to contain moe, surely? How do the two statements above which I've emboldened tally?

Personally I don't believe I feel moe for anything, but I dislike things which are obviously designed to evoke that feeling. Yotsuba for example, isn't. It's a sweet slice of life comedy - Azuma didn't write it with the intention of making people feel moe for Yotsuba (which incidentally, as a fan of the series, I don't).

Neither is K-on supposed to be either, that too is a slice of life comedy. It is most definatly a moe show, Mio nad Azu~nyan are both moe chara.

Nothing can be said not to contain moe =/= nothing can be said to contain moe. You can only tell what is moe to you (moe show = moe to, a larger number of/more vocal, people). And it's Fuka who is the moe character in Yotsuba. Lots of people get wrong which character is the sterotypicaly moe one.

It's probably intentional too, he did go back and add more fanservice to Azumanga Daioh for its aniversery. Osaka is again a very moe character, and is well known to be.

 

[Genkina Hito]

So if moe is personal opinion, then nothing can definitively be said to contain moe, surely? How do the two statements above which I've emboldened tally?

Personally I don't believe I feel moe for anything, but I dislike things which are obviously designed to evoke that feeling. Yotsuba for example, isn't. It's a sweet slice of life comedy - Azuma didn't write it with the intention of making people feel moe for Yotsuba (which incidentally, as a fan of the series, I don't).

Neither is K-on supposed to be either, that too is a slice of life comedy. It is most definatly a moe show, Mio nad Azu~nyan are both moe chara.

Nothing can be said not to contain moe =/= nothing can be said to contain moe. You can only tell what is moe to you (moe show = moe to, a larger number of/more vocal, people). And it's Fuka who is the moe character in Yotsuba. Lots of people get wrong which character is the sterotypicaly moe one.

You can only tell what is moe to you... If it's a 'bloody personal opinion' where do you get off telling me that Yotsuba is moe when the feeling of moe is supposedly subjective to the individual audience member?

I don't see moe in Yotsuba, just a slice of life comedy as ayase has pointed out. Unless the creator has explicitly set out for that emotion then that's another matter but I don't register anything in Yotsuba as moe.

Sora no Woto is an open example of moe. No matter how much I tried to see profundity in the world itself, all that replied was the soullessness of the staple moe archetypes – ditzy, grumpy et al.

If you see moe in things, fine. Some people think 9/11 was an inside job conducted by Bush.

あなたは　変態　ですか

 

[ayase]

...it's Fuka who is the moe character in Yotsuba. Lots of people get wrong which character is the sterotypicaly moe one.

And moe is this... maternal, protective (non-sexual) feeling?

And Fuka is a slightly ditzy (but other than that perfectly capable) 16 year old girl?

Perhaps I've got this all wrong, but I'd have thought there would have to be some kind of reason to want to be protective and maternal towards a character for them to be moe. For instance, I can understand if people are moe towards Satoko from Higurashi (abusive parent, utterly dependant on her older brother) but Fuka? No way. You're either amused by Fuka or hot for her, or both.

 

[Reaper gI]

Yotsuba is normally one of the first examples people give as an example of a moe series. Interstingly I got almost no moe off Sora no Woto and watched it as just slice of life.
You can say something is moe you canot say it isn't. How often I see people bashing moe using a show with a lot of moe elements as a counter example.
The moe stereotypes are space-case, doll, and tsundere. tho' obviously they're slightly more complicated than that. For instance there is no such thing as a flat chested meganeko.

And moe is this... maternal, protective (non-sexual) feeling?

And Fuka is a slightly ditzy (but other than that perfectly capable) 16 year old girl?

17, read the T-shirt.
It's the releationship with Koiwai that it's due to. Basically do you want them be a happy couple or not. Think from the perspective of her parents of him being a suitable and capable husband.

Love in the, you want the character to be happiest, sense.

 

[ayase]

You can say something is moe you canot say it isn't.

Violence Jack is not m... Oh wait! I can't say he's not because someone, somewhere might find him moe.

Of course some random individual might find any character you could care to name moe, but that isn't what this topic is discussing. We aren't talking about whether people should have the feeling or not; we're talking about series' and characters specifically designed to inspire that feeling, and the merits or otherwise of doing so.

It's the releationship with Koiwai that it's due to. Basically do you want them be a happy couple or not. Think from the perspective of her parents of him being a suitable and capable husband.

Love in the, you want the character to be happiest, sense.

But isn't that just empathy and caring about the characters? Moe I understand to be a very specific type of feeling which was outlined in the opening post.

 

[Jaymii]

I actually find it hard to believe people have such strong emotions towards 2D characters, especially whatever the feeling of "moe" is - which has become somewhat different on this forum to the rest of the anime fandom. I would probably agree with those who say moe is only moe when designed to be as such. It matters not about plot or even character, its whether its designed to be made in body pillow form. Rei isn't moe, she's just vulnerable. Fuko (Clannad) isn't just vulnerable, she's just plain helpless and weak and most importantly, fits the "moe aesthetic".

That's how I interpret it anyway. If it makes me ignorant of the "REAL" definition if I were to believe someone had to feel something within them for it to be moe, then I'm just ignorant because it makes the term absolutely frakking useless.

 

[Reaper gI]

But isn't that just empathy and caring about the characters? Moe I understand to be a very specific type of feeling which was outlined in the opening post.

No it's very general, it is simply love* (in a parental sense, or as a sibling normaly) over any 2-d chara. It errs towards idealims, hence the cute etc. being there.
The vulnerabilities they tend to get are ones you could see yourself dealing with as a parent.

*could also be as a pet.

 

[Professor Irony]

Even if we can't reach a consensus on what moe is, surely we can agree it's not worth fighting over. I mean come on, no one ever died because of moe. 'Cept for Hisao.

 

[afoia]

At the end of the day this is the type of show that is selling extremely well in japan at the moment, of course you could argue that its the same as the 70s / 80 boom of mecha in japan when there was nothing on other than super robo shows or gundam. Feels like we maybe saying the same thing years later complaining how there seems to be too many series of K-ON.
I enjoy moe anime as much as Mecha / Action orentated animes, i mean its nice to have a bit of a mix up now and then but i do think now the industry needs to move on again.

 

[sic vita est]

A debate with people working off different definitions of something that no-one can properly define anyway? My head hurts.

As a genre of show, I voted for killing it with fire. Whilst I've no doubt the anime industry appreciates a solid, reliable revenue stream, they need to know when to stop before creativity goes down the pan. But hey, it's not like it's the only industry that has that kind of herd mentality.

With that said, I don't see the harm in there being one or two deliberately moe characters in a show.

 

[Zin5ki]

Of course some random individual might find any character you could care to name moe, but that isn't what this topic is discussing. We aren't talking about whether people should have the feeling or not; we're talking about series' and characters specifically designed to inspire that feeling, and the merits or otherwise of doing so.

One would presume that the merit of attempting to evoke such a feeling would be identical to said evocation itself. You yourself seem more willing to contemplate the detrimental aspects to this than myself, but I believe some clarification is to be gained by considering the matter of scope: should one be concerned with individuals embracing these shows and the affections they produce, or is it more apt to consider the wider effect of this sort of individual being highly numerous within the fan market?

Alas, my personal inclinations prevent me from being in an appropriate position to speak on these matters from a neutral viewpoint, and as such I am hesitant to make further discourse. (Of course, this admission itself presumes that a neutral viewpoint actually exists—a matter about which I am somewhat sceptical.)

 

[Ryo Chan]

moe moe

KYUN!!!

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[Kirrimir]

moe moe

KYUN!!!

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Love that scene. All due respect to the haters but they gonna hate but anyway moe has done alot for the anime industry in terms of sales, for example K-ON! singles have almost always sold millions of copy's and the actual DVD/BD releases of K-ON! have also sold ALOT.