"Is the Ocean Burning?" Simulwatch II: Real Drive.

OK, I finally got started!

/slow

Thread was a nice read, good work on the screencaps especially, Prof.

Ep 1 - Not exactly the least telegraphed slice of hubris pie any group of people pushing up against nature have ever had to eat. In fact it would be easy at this stage to be almost scared at how obvious the show's potential messages are. Once we hit the in-world present day though, it becomes more clear that there are layers - Haru and Kushima no longer on entirely the same page, and there's a bubbly young girl who can hear the sea (a strangely Ghiblian turn of phrase in Shirow's tech-head world).

But what I really like is the foundation of the sea as the setting. So much speculative fiction (and, indeed, real world research and experimentation) looks outwards towards space, or takes the high fantasy road towards an alternative world to find its metaphors and symbolism, that it is quite refreshing to have something looking so intensely inward towards such a crucial and misunderstood aspect of our planet.

It's also worth noting the inevitable quality of the visuals - some very tactile animation, and great use of the bold colors for which the setting allows.

Ep 2 -
Professor Irony said:
I quite like the narrative overlap with the episode 1 - putting the two together makes it feel more coherent somehow.
I couldn't agree more. I think this is a great narrative construct, the first episode and a half overall providing a slight twist on standard use of in medias res that quickly firms the main characters in our mind.

This episode solidifies some pairings in the themes we see being explored - it's hard to watch characters like Haru and Minamo in a Japanese show and not instantly relate it to the problems of Japan's aging society, the reliance of new technology on old backups when the shi-! hits the fan, the subsequent reliance of old tech on nature itself.

Ep 3 - The A Plot is perhaps the least notable so far (the situation that develops leading to Haru's eventual "redive" success is beyond contrived), but the intangibles are far and away the most intriguing.

Minamo's inexplicable link to Haru (it was my impression that she was the "control" character, likely to have no [whatever body/brain modification is required to access the Metal]) is massively played up, with her being shown as some sort of mental anchor to allow him to dive safely, on top of her self proclaimed ability to "feel" when things are going to happen (clearly in-character she doesn't mean much by this, but still).

Possibly another rung up the ladder of "hold on, just how fruity is this show going to get" is the sudden change of Haru's visage to that of his younger self - but I also wonder if this is just another manifestation of the connection between himself and Minamo.

This ep also really hammered home just how advanced the Metal is. The general premise (and, indeed, the promotional paragraph tagged onto a lot of the show's advertising) feels like a reaction to the real world slowly catching up to Shirow's prophetic presentations of digital social networks in his earlier series, but this hasn't meant that he has tried to tone down the outlandish scope of the details in an attempt to look more relevant.

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A note on episode titles - I forgot to remember if this is actually displayed along with the regular episode title, but each episode has a title in Japanese text (such as "The Girl" for episode two) and also a subtitle in English text, these are the first five:

island
impact
identity
inside
item

Two more tomorrow, and then I'll catch up to pace with two more on Friday! I will also try to add some pictures of the stuff that came with the Japanese DVD sets as we move through, from the design work booklets and such.

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MercenaryRaiden said:
and it might have something to do with the fact that the Idolm@ster anime started airing...
Hehehe, I'm glad you're watching that, too. ^^;
 
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ilmaestro said:
MercenaryRaiden said:
and it might have something to do with the fact that the Idolm@ster anime started airing...
Hehehe, I'm glad you're watching that, too. ^^;

Haha...I was actually a fan of Idolm@ster before the anime started airing. I didn't have a japanese 360 to play the main games on so I stuck with online streams and youtube. Not the full experience but enough to become a fan. I actually felt really geeky when I recognised a piece of bgm from the game in the episode :D

Nice thoughts on the show. Looking forward to more!


Episode 6 - Love Letter

For the first ten minutes I was wondering if we had a similar repeat of episode 5 and that it wasn't going to have a total load of relevance, but what we got was actually quite sweet. I quite liked the way they handled the letter in the end; it had a nice impact to it when you got Haru's reaction first. I think maybe getting to that point was a bit stretched out over the first half but it certainly added weight to it.

And even without any diving or mention of the Metal there were still some things to learn in the background. Books are going because of the technology, there are some publications that were not digitized and we got some slight details on Haru and Kushima's diving days.

The way that Minamo's friend received her phone call was interesting. She didn't have any glasses on yet could still see notifactions in her sight. Lenses maybe? Or possibly high end tech.

I was quite interested to see Kushima taking Haru for a walk. I don't know if it was just me but it felt like they were somewhat distant and that there is some pain going on between them.
 
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ilmaestro said:
it's hard to watch characters like Haru and Minamo in a Japanese show and not instantly relate it to the problems of Japan's aging society, the reliance of new technology on old backups when the shi-! hits the fan, the subsequent reliance of old tech on nature itself.

That's a good point. It did cross my mind early on to wonder if Holon might be more like an android carer for Haru and the show was going to make a point about taking responsibility for care of the elderly (a la Roujin-Z), but it doesn't seem to have really touched on it so far. I dare say that's something we may get in more detail somewhere down the line.

Also pictures from the design book would be great if you can manage it, man :)

Episode 6 - "Love Letter (if...)"

A more serious episode this time round, despite the show's best efforts to persuade you otherwise.



While Minamo doesn't seem like a character of any great depth, I'm at least intrigued to know why she hasn't undergone digitalisation - she seems to be in a real minority. While they don't tease her about it too seriously, I get the impression her friends view her as being rather backward, with her dogged reliance on a smartphone for what they can do by simply thinking about it.

I didn't think the episode had anything too revalatory to say about it, but it's portrayal of the paper book vs. electronic debate certainly seems very relevant. The bored librarian sitting twiddling her pen in the empty hall was a nice touch.

Come to think of it, perhaps we already are seeing some comment on the aging population. The eternally young Kushima looked genuinely regretful when forced to contemplate the aging and eventual death of his colleagues...
 
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Just watched ep 5, I enjoyed it. A completely inplausible, silly episode with more unlikely coincidences than you can count, but it had some good action and I think this series is better on the whole when you don't take it too seriosly, as it just doesn't have anywhere near the depth of a GITS

The fight scenes are animated very well on whole which is good, and we learn that Holon does have a little bit of personality as well, and I have to admit theres something sexy about a woman (well android) like Holon, who you know could whoop your arse. Also do I see a romance between Souta and Holon on the Horizon?

Although I have to agree with the Professor the poor OP music used during the big fight does make me pine for Yoko Kanno, but she's probably too good for this series to be honest.
 
Yeah, I suspect Yoko Kanno would not be within the show's budget... Honestly though, I would have preferred more of the tinkly Spielberg-movie music to reusing the OP. There's very few occasions I think that ever works and it doesn't help that the OP track is a bit of a clunker to begin with. The ED track has rather grown on me though.

Thanks to work, I can't write a proper post for ep7 tonight, but I will say that it is probably the most unexpected thing I've seen the show try yet. You might even say it's barking mad.

Yeah okay, I'll leave...
 
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Professor Irony said:
Thanks to work, I can't write a proper post for ep7 tonight,

Yeah my post tonight is delayed too, thanks to an amazing payload game of tf2 that has lasted till...2:30 am. Bit too drained now to fully enjoy it so it looks like we'll have a load of us playing catch up tomorrow!
 
Ep 4 - Hmm, clearly forboding stingers after the credits are not meant to be taken entirely seriously... the episode was pretty entertaining, once against showcasing how useful "old school" methods can be in the face of the vast information available in the Metal (Minamo's detective work enabling her to help Haru locate Zhouen's consciousness) but also encouraging us not to question the whole set-up of the show too closely (why would Kushima send such dangerous work to Haru if he was seriously concerned about him diving? The total implausibility of Minamo's role in the... everything).

Ep 5 - As pointed out, a pretty silly episode by design, but not really worse off for it. More weighty fight scenes (dem knees to the face) and great facial expressions. I guess we're not supposed to read too much into Minamo's amazing physical ability shown when she was tussling with not-Jagi. Souta and Holon's developing "relationship" is a more than acceptable sub-plot at this stage, for me - "you wanna take this outside?" haha.

Ep 6 - Much the best of these last three episodes, some big themes beautifully touched on. Minamo doesn't interest me as a character quite as much as, say, Togusa in GitS just yet, but I absolutely agree that the story behind her lack of augmentation is one of the more intriguing things lurking behind the show's A plots all the time. The battle between old and new technolgies is perfectly exemplified by paper vs electronic books, and Minamo's speech on the "character" of hard copy was pretty decent. And Haru's last line was wonderfully pitched, and genuinely touching.

Nearly caught up, yay~
 
ilmaestro said:
Ep 6 - Haru's last line was wonderfully pitched, and genuinely touching.

Yeah, that was nicely played. It would have been very easy to over-sentimentalise the episode with that last scene, but they kept it pleasingly low-key.

Episode 7 - "Hand in Hand (I am a dog)"

Well, I have to give them credit for originality - I don't think I could see the GitS team dealing with someone stuck in the body of a dog. The sheer absurdity of the first half did throw me a bit, but it was quite funny all the same:

"Woof!"

"He wants to connect to the Metal!"

Ultimately, I think the episode reminded me a lot of ep4 - they both seem to warn against the dangers of self-indulgence through technology, albeit in very different ways.

I thought it was interesting though, that there seemed to be discrepancies between Ishio's direct conversation with Haru and the way it was relayed to Minamo's phone. It was almost as if she was having to run it through google translate and only getting an imperfect version.

The HUD graphics are intriguing as well. In GitS, the scenes of characters accessing police files in their field of vision seem more distant to me, as it's part of their job fighting futuristic crime to access the central database or scour the net in this way. When you see Souta apparently watching youtube in his mind, I think the mundane nature of it makes it feel far closer to reality.

Lastly, I don't think we should overlook terrifyingminamoface.jpg

 
Episode 7- Hand in Hand:

This is certainly an interesting episode from early on. A little bit about animals being injected with nano-machines and Minamo confirming she hasn't been digitized yet. I get the feeling this could play a big role at some point.

The diving into a dogs metal was interesting. I wonder if this means that anything living can be dived into? It was still another interesting and quite sweet story.

I feel like Minamo is supposed to be the viewers link to the show and that she stops it from becoming a show completely filled with techno-words. She makes things fairly simple and is obviously looking at things from a non-digitized view point.

Anyways next episode seems to have some ghost roaming the school. Someones conciousness lost in the Meta-Real perhaps?


Professor Irony said:
Lastly, I don't think we should overlook terrifyingminamoface.jpg

/shudder. Also poor poor joke with the barking mad!
 
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Episode 8 - No Friend:

I was about to call plagarism at just before 12 minutes when the bgm sounded like something directly lifted from the Death Note soundtrack...I wasn't suprised when I checked and found that the same composers teamed up for Death Note!

So an episode with a little ice cream eating and more weird faces. It was better than I was expecting although I still don't have much to say about it. The very end seemed to be written off comically (with the light hearted background music) but it could actually be a serious thing...I'd probably find it an interesting storyline at least
 
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I started playing the "guess Prof.'s screencap" game with ep 7 - I won! ^_^

My take on the ep was that it was in some parts an escalation of some of the issues raised so far - yes, they have crazy advanced tech but no, it has not made "old fashioned" items and methods completely obsolete. But it also more clearly solidified in my mind how I would describe the overall theme of the show so far - cohabitation and cooperation.

On a personal level, I find the "Google Thought" tech, that people with Digitized brains have access to, to be completely terrifying. If it was already ruining conversations by the time of GitS (ref: Togusa and Batou's philosophical quotation battles in Innocence), it seems to be eliminating them entirely at times by the stage reached in Real Drive. In a world where everyone knows everything, does anyone actually know anything?

MercenaryRaiden said:
I wonder if this means that anything living can be dived into?
Very interesting question, the full nature of the Metal has definitely not been revealed to us yet.
 
MercenaryRaiden said:
Death Note soundtrack

Good call - I hadn't even noticed that. The soundtrack's been rather a mixed bag for this one so far; I wouldn't have suspected it would have any famous names behind it.

Episode 8: "No Friend (ideal)"

It's Tsukubii Duu~!

A decent enough episode again. I think it was pretty heavily signposted that the 'ghost' was something in the metal, given that Minamo appears to be the only one unable to see it, but the eventual explanation of how it came to be there in the first place was pretty interesting.

While Souta describes it as research into the creation of interactive avatars for educational use, I couldn't help feeling that describing the tests as 'market research' made it feel more like a thinly veiled experiment into a new form of advertising. The potential of Google Thought to prevent any real learning or opinion forming is alarming enough, but the possibility of getting google ads in your mind, is nothing short of terrifying. It's like the ultimate invasion of privacy - a virtual salesperson who can 'physically' interact with you, but only you can see. It seems entirely too plausible...

/conspiracy theory

At any rate, I thought it was a clever and really creepy idea that the show could have exploited a bit more thoroughly, were the writers so inclined.

In other news, I liked the idea that Haru's story has become an urban legend and the repeat of 'Souta is standing behind you' was amusing too.

ilmaestro said:
I started playing the "guess Prof.'s screencap" game with ep 7 - I won! ^_^

Heh, I feel like I should be giving out prizes now :)

Bonus round! Yukino's Higurashi face:

 
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No worries, man - take your time.

Episode 9: Work (I/O)

That was a strange one. While it was presumably what Mamoru (I wonder who he's named for...) ultimately wanted, the fact that his reward for saving the island and then having to eat the resulting fallout was basically, “Go home and be a family man”, seems rather disappointing. Heroism is its own reward? Who knows. I suppose at least Kushima showed his appreciation. And good job sticking up for your old man there, Souta.

At any rate, we finally get confirmation of the implied link between the metal and the ocean, if not an explanation of what this might mean. It looks increasingly as if there's some sort of sentient consciousness down there, so my money's on the series leading to some kind of attempted compromise between man and nature. Anyone else keep thinking of The Abyss during the cyber-diving scenes?

Can't believe I forgot to mention Minamo's VR helmet in the last episode. Nice to see it making a reappearance, although I don't believe for a second that the other kids don't mock her about it constantly.



Next Episode: HAL!
 
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Professor Irony said:
Can't believe I forgot to mention Minamo's VR helmet in the last episode. Nice to see it making a reappearance, although I don't believe for a second that the other kids don't mock her about it constantly.

Ha, yes. We first saw of a glimpse of it in an early episode and I was wondering what it actually was. Makes sense now but...It's like sticking a giant fishbowl on your head. I bet no one has tried to cosplay that...

Episode 9 - Work:

This was an interesting one. I'm really glad that I waited till I was properly awake to watch it as there was a lot of, what felt like, important information from start to finish.

I was slightly annoyed that Mamoru was going to be a scape goat and that he was going to be villified but i'm happy that Kushima was kind to him.

Sota and the secretary main lady (I've forgotten her title since it's been a while since we've seen her!) is an interesting one. I had originally thought that she may have been Sota and Minamo's mother but I think i'm going to forget that after what was implied in this episode!

But yeah lots of details on the metal and the meta-real.

Professor Irony said:
At any rate, we finally get confirmation of the implied link between the metal and the ocean, if not an explanation of what this might mean. It looks increasingly as if there's some sort of sentient consciousness down there, so my money's on the series leading to some kind of attempted compromise between man and nature.

This would be an interesting one. I wonder if this had a part of that catastrophy that's being alluded to. Although probably not as I guess the Metal wasn't around at the very beginning of the series.
 
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MercenaryRaiden said:
I had originally thought that she may have been Sota and Minamo's mother but I think i'm going to forget that after what was implied in this episode!

Oh man, that hadn't occurred to me... Urk. :(

I do wish they'd flesh out (bad choice of words?) the Secretary General more as a character though. It seems like every time she's onscreen, she's multitasking between vaguely sinister political dealings and vaguely sinister erotic adventures. It's getting a bit silly now.

Unless of course, they're trying to imply that the island's government are leading a life of debauched hedonism. In which case, carry on. :)
 
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Professor Irony said:
I do wish they'd flesh out (bad choice of words?) the Secretary General more as a character though. It seems like every time she's onscreen, she's multitasking between vaguely sinister political dealings and vaguely sinister erotic adventures. It's getting a bit silly now.

Yeah i'm not quite sure what her role specifically is, even down to the basics. We'll likely get it at some point but not yet it seems...

Episode 10 - Advanced Storyteller

Another quite good episode with more revelations about the Metal. It was interesting that they had a way for someone without a cyber brain (Minamo) to be able to dive into the Metal. Although obviously it has its drawbacks with being unable to speak and that heavy suit. It wouldn't suprise me if this came up again though.

I wonder what Eliza showed Sota. The Secretary General maybe? He was certainly flustered by it.

Next episode looks like being a Kushima episode. I wonder if we'll find out why he looks young.
 
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Afraid I'm a bit knackered to write anything too profound (and I'm an episode behind, ffff...), but I did enjoy this one.

Episode 10: "Advanced Storyteller (Intelligence)"

Hah, I was kidding when I said this episode was about HAL. I don't quite follow why Haru saw Eliza as a goth-loli, but I did appreciate the level of detail they went to in referencing 2001: A Space Oddyssey. Haru's dreamscape was a picture-perfect likeness of Bowman's room towards the end of the film. Minamo's entrance in her diver's suit wasn't dissimilar to the film either.



Other than that, it was nice to see Minamo doing something useful again and I did get a laugh out of Souta's attempt to go after Haru - it was basically:

"K guys, goin' to save Haru!"
"...failed."

I did wonder if what Eliza showed him might involve Holon, but I guess we can only speculate.
 
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Professor Irony said:
I did wonder if what Eliza showed him might involve Holon, but I guess we can only speculate.

That's an interesting thought actually. Also yes the episode had a few nice references :)


Episode 11 - Just Intonation / Intent


I was also pretty worried about falling behind so I've forced myself to watch this now, even in the danger of being slightly tired. Fortunatly what we have here is a nice plesant episode that doesn't involve anything to do with much; apart from a bit of character development, specifically Kushima. Although there's not too many key things to talk about!

I had worried at the start that this was going to turn into a "Minamo attempts to get Kushima to perform the violin!" episode but it was again a nice surprise. Something subtle but not too overbearing. Kushima was the focus this time and we learnt a few small things about his past; and what he considers talent.

We didn't learn much about him himself but we know a little on how he operates. There was also an interesting line from Haru near the end: "I only have a little time left. Will I be able to catch up to you?" I hope i'm not reading too much into it but...Death Flag raised for later in the series? Then again it's actually gone against most of what I expect so I doubt it is.
 
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