General Politics Thread

serpantino

Thousand Master
@ayase the government's priority should have been damage control. Instead they've spent most of their time using it as an excuse to get more power and money.
Sadly I still think people will be dumb enough to vote for them again when they raise the patriotism flag & run their illegal smear campaigns.
 

jake scully

Kiznaiver
I don’t really care who wins Batley & Spen. Labour moderates might as well be Tories (they were all the time Blair was in office: privatisation, war, cronyism, kowtowing to the right-wing press) so it’s not like it makes much of a difference. Probably the most hilarious (though unlikely) result would be Galloway actually winning. I agree with a lot of what he claims to believe in, but he is also an opportunist, a hypocrite and an egomaniac. Though even given those flaws, I’d still vote for him over 95% of the current inhabitants of the HoC...
I agree with about George Galloway especially being a hypocrite
This jerk though sometimes not stating it supports the IRA and Islamic terrorism
The Muslim cleric who was released from prison and tagged was always being filmed by the police when he conducted his rallies / but Galloway says the media shouldn’t bother with him because he’s a nobody
I don’t call some scumbag Isis supporter a nobody
 

ayase

State Alchemist
the government's priority should have been damage control. Instead they've spent most of their time using it as an excuse to get more power and money.
When do career politicians not? Handing out no-bid contracts to their mates is appalling, but nothing we haven’t come to expect in our “democracy”. I don’t imagine I’ll ever see the day when a British government’s priority is “telling people the truth” but that’s what I’d have liked.

This jerk though sometimes not stating it supports the IRA and Islamic terrorism
Honestly, I don’t even care any more. When no-one who actually believes in the things I do is allowed anywhere near power due to being smeared to death by the media, I feel inclined to simply vote for the most radical candidates in the hope that something, anything changes. I don’t imagine I’ll make any friends admitting this but had I been an American, I’d have voted for Bernie in the 2016 primaries then for Trump in the election. Were I French, I’d have voted for Melenchon in 2017 and then for Le Pen. Because frankly I think anything else now is preferable to this crony-capitalist neoliberal stagnation in which our politicians pretend to care, but don’t. The average house price has gone up 160% in the last 25 years. The average wage has gone up by 23%. What kind of society that claims to value fairness and equality allows that to happen? But the comfortable classes are more concerned about being trolled on social media. Burn it all down.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
I keep seeing snippets of this new comedy drama (I’m guessing it’s by Armando Iannucci) in which a race-bent billionaire Tony Blair faces off against a frightening waxwork Margaret Thatcher in a dismal Victorian Britain where the wealthy business owners reap massive profits while the poor work themselves to death for ever decreasing wages. Looks like pretty hilariously over the top satire, I should give it a watch at some point.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
"Somebody needs to stop me before I start freezing pensioners to death"

Energy bosses today warned the government that they need to stage an intervention in order to stop them from raising their prices.

"Sure, we could just not put our prices up. We're making massive profits already, but what they don't understand is that we can't help ourselves," said one energy CEO as he opened a fourth can of Knights Cider over breakfast, "If the opportunity is there we're going to take it, we need help" he sobbed into his kebab.

Another energy boss wondered where these price rises might lead.

"If the government had any kind of conscience at all they would try to prevent me from doing this," he stated, his hands shaking nervously as he lit his crack pipe, "But they don't care, they're prepared to let me take as much as I want regardless of the consequences. I don't even care who I hurt any more; old ladies, kids, they're all fair game as long as I can get some money out of them. I know I’m a terrible person but I just don’t know how to stop.”
 

RadFemHedonist

Death Scythe
Men when faced with male rapists: It's better to let 100 guilty men go free than to ruin the life of one innocent!

The same men regarding women who have abortions or even miscarriages: Let's arrest her using data we've unscrupulously harvested from a menstrual tracking app she was using! Prevent laws that mandate that hospitals perform abortions when the mother's life is in danger! Women who have sex outside marriage and/or without wanting to or even being able to safely birth and afford to parent children are guilty as sin, evil premeditated baby murderers and must be punished! Slash welfare programs that help single parents and their kids to have a decent standard of living! FORCE TEENAGE RAPE VICTIMS TO GIVE BIRTH!

Can you tell how lividly pissed off I am about the overturning of Roe VS. Wade? :mad:

"Somebody needs to stop me before I start freezing pensioners to death"

Energy bosses today warned the government that they need to stage an intervention in order to stop them from raising their prices.

"Sure, we could just not put our prices up. We're making massive profits already, but what they don't understand is that we can't help ourselves," said one energy CEO as he opened a fourth can of Knights Cider over breakfast, "If the opportunity is there we're going to take it, we need help" he sobbed into his kebab.

Another energy boss wondered where these price rises might lead.

"If the government had any kind of conscience at all they would try to prevent me from doing this," he stated, his hands shaking nervously as he lit his crack pipe, "But they don't care, they're prepared to let me take as much as I want regardless of the consequences. I don't even care who I hurt any more; old ladies, kids, they're all fair game as long as I can get some money out of them. I know I’m a terrible person but I just don’t know how to stop.”

Attempting to channel the spirit of Groucho Marx, he added "I'm actually quite morally disgusted by any society that wouldn't throw me in jail for this or at least put a complete stop to my dastardly schemes". Cue: "whaaat... have weeee... becoooome" from the Fightstar anti-climate disaster song Floods playing in the background
 

Kite

Stand User
"Somebody needs to stop me before I start freezing pensioners to death"

Energy bosses today warned the government that they need to stage an intervention in order to stop them from raising their prices.

"Sure, we could just not put our prices up. We're making massive profits already, but what they don't understand is that we can't help ourselves," said one energy CEO as he opened a fourth can of Knights Cider over breakfast, "If the opportunity is there we're going to take it, we need help" he sobbed into his kebab.

Another energy boss wondered where these price rises might lead.

"If the government had any kind of conscience at all they would try to prevent me from doing this," he stated, his hands shaking nervously as he lit his crack pipe, "But they don't care, they're prepared to let me take as much as I want regardless of the consequences. I don't even care who I hurt any more; old ladies, kids, they're all fair game as long as I can get some money out of them. I know I’m a terrible person but I just don’t know how to stop.”
But don't worry I will kindly donate a small percentage of the massive profits we make to a fund where to access them you need to jump through many many hoops on an expensive phone line that most people don't bother.
 

RadFemHedonist

Death Scythe
But don't worry I will kindly donate a small percentage of the massive profits we make to a fund where to access them you need to jump through many many hoops on an expensive phone line that most people don't bother.

*and which they'll probably end up spending a significant proportion of the money they will get if they actually manage to qualify for the funds, on the phone call itself.
 
Men when faced with male rapists: It's better to let 100 guilty men go free than to ruin the life of one innocent!

The same men regarding women who have abortions or even miscarriages: Let's arrest her using data we've unscrupulously harvested from a menstrual tracking app she was using! Prevent laws that mandate that hospitals perform abortions when the mother's life is in danger! Women who have sex outside marriage and/or without wanting to or even being able to safely birth and afford to parent children are guilty as sin, evil premeditated baby murderers and must be punished! Slash welfare programs that help single parents and their kids to have a decent standard of living! FORCE TEENAGE RAPE VICTIMS TO GIVE BIRTH!

Can you tell how lividly pissed off I am about the overturning of Roe VS. Wade? :mad:



Attempting to channel the spirit of Groucho Marx, he added "I'm actually quite morally disgusted by any society that wouldn't throw me in jail for this or at least put a complete stop to my dastardly schemes". Cue: "whaaat... have weeee... becoooome" from the Fightstar anti-climate disaster song Floods playing in the background

It's obvious that women cannot be trusted with their own reproductive health. Control must be taken away from them and given to those with the intelligence and emotional strength to carry the burden of those decisions...

Therefore all males should be given reversible vasectomies at birth, and should they ever want to reproduce, they must apply to the government and pay a million dollars for reversal.

EDIT: Or put their faith in immaculate conceptions
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Can you tell how lividly pissed off I am about the overturning of Roe VS. Wade?
Much as I enjoy my cheap seat to the freak-show (to paraphrase George Carlin) I try not to concern myself too much with what the Americans are doing. At least in the UK (and most of Europe) most social issues are no longer major political issues. There's some kind of irony there given how much the US likes to tout itself as the land of individual freedom and liberty. You can tell they were founded by religious extremists, both their left and right are incredibly inflexible and dogmatic and like sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming at even the mildest reasonable criticism while their "conservative" and "liberal" heroes alike fill their boots via incestuous relationships with big business.

The fact heir apparent to the neocon throne Liz Cheney of all people now is being lauded by the left wing press in the US as a hero of democracy (you know, that same corrupt, nepotistic "democracy" of the elites that made so many people vote for Trump in the first place; definitely worth saving, that) and liberal grande dame Nancy Pelosi makes millions every year off big tech investments says pretty much everything that needs to be said about the state of America. Jefferson's shrivelled, dying tree of liberty could certainly use some water, but in a country where the right can measure their strength in AR15s and the left in re-tweets, I think it's a pretty safe bet who'll actually end up doing the watering.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
So at a time when the poorest people in society are paying out most of their incomes on rent and energy costs, Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng’s plan is to make it harder for workers to fight for better pay, harder for people to claim Universal Credit, and put the country even further into debt to enrich the richest people in society by cutting their taxes and uncapping their bonuses.

And the useless British population will just put up with this and do nothing, as always. Just elect another Labour government who will do sod all. Things will never get better. Just fire the nukes already Vlad, I’ve had enough.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Most of Europe is liable to get smaller...

Well, you were right there, although I note almost 40% of eligible Italians didn’t even bother to vote, which says a lot about people’s faith in democracy. At least the Italians seem willing to try something different (several times now) rather than flipping between red and blue flavour neolibs like us and the Yanks (because let’s be honest, Obama, Trump, Blair and Boris all talked big but they didn’t actually do much) and hoping for a different result. My only criteria for voting these days is to ask “What will cause the most chaos?” and vote for that. Anything that throws a spanner in the works of the current establishment and their ever accelerating drive to turn us all back into serfs can only be good as far as I’m concerned.
 

RadFemHedonist

Death Scythe
Well, you were right there, although I note almost 40% of eligible Italians didn’t even bother to vote, which says a lot about people’s faith in democracy. At least the Italians seem willing to try something different (several times now) rather than flipping between red and blue flavour neolibs like us and the Yanks (because let’s be honest, Obama, Trump, Blair and Boris all talked big but they didn’t actually do much) and hoping for a different result. My only criteria for voting these days is to ask “What will cause the most chaos?” and vote for that. Anything that throws a spanner in the works of the current establishment and their ever accelerating drive to turn us all back into serfs can only be good as far as I’m concerned.

I see your point Ayase but she's pretty vehemently anti-LGBT families, this is going to hurt vulnerable queer and trans children and tear apart families with LGBT parents and/or kids in them. Like yes OK "something different" but like... is there no other alternative to dumping on women, or disabled people, or people of colour, racial/ethnic minorities, refugees, immigrants, or the rainbow community if we want to change things? :(
 

ayase

State Alchemist
I see your point Ayase but she's pretty vehemently anti-LGBT families, this is going to hurt vulnerable queer and trans children and tear apart families with LGBT parents and/or kids in them. Like yes OK "something different" but like... is there no other alternative to dumping on women, or disabled people, or people of colour, racial/ethnic minorities, refugees, immigrants, or the rainbow community if we want to change things? :(
Social policy has never been a big deal to me as personally I don’t think it’s something the government should be legislating for at all, as in just let people be. It shouldn’t matter whether people are are a different race, gender or sexuality they should all be treated the same, which to me means both no discrimination and no special treatment. It’s something I fall out with with a lot of the social left about because I don’t think there should be any protected classes and I do think freedom of speech and association should be absolute; i.e nobody should be above criticism and people should be allowed to exclude other people from groups for any reason they like. Because there’s nothing stopping people making their own groups where they can feel welcome. Why should anyone be forced to let them into theirs, or to say through gritted teeth that they agree with and support people when they don’t? Honesty is the best policy I feel, because otherwise you’re only making things worse by forcing certain opinions underground and embittering people who think things they aren’t allowed to say.

Do I personally like Ms. Miloni or agree with her policies? No. Do I think those powers that be in the establishment, entrenched as they are in the unchanging, unelected ranks of the civil service will actually allow her to make any fundamental changes to the way society operates? No. But what’s the alternative to voting for radical change? Keep voting for the steady centre left-right march of neoliberalism on the real road to serfdom because they’re “the lesser of two evils?” Have you seen our latest budget? That’s misery for everyone who earns less than £150k a year, be they white, black, gay, straight, trans or whatever. The economy, to me, is where the real fight for equality is. Social policy is a convenient divide-and-conquer distraction from the wealth divide which nobody wants us to talk about and when anybody does, they get Corbyn’d.

Edit after stewing on these thoughts for a few hours: I think where I really stand on social issues is that I find it hard to shake the feeling that modern life has caused a lot of them to exist in the first place. And by modern life I mean, like since classical antiquity. My thoughts on many social issues and controversies are as follows: Do they exist among primitive tribal people? If they don’t, our society has done something to create them it probably shouldn’t have. And I think the main things we’ve done are invent the sciences of biology and medicine. And the further back I go the more it becomes apparent we should probably never even have bothered inventing speech or written language either. Imagine a society where you could build your own house on land nobody owns, grow your own food, pay no taxes and express your feelings towards others with a simple hug or a punch to the face. Everything else was a mistake. We talk about “progress” as though it’s always a positive and a thing to strive for, yet as far as I can see it’s only made people more miserable by giving them more obligations and more things to worry about.
 
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Vashdaman

Za Warudo
I don't know, ayase, I get where your sentiments come from, but are you actually hoping that voting for the most chaotic choice on the ballot will by some off chance lead to any positive changes or are you just looking for the thrill of watching things blow up for a bit? It takes more than just creating the conditions for chaos for anything good to happen surely? Perhaps the chaos could provide an opening, but there would need to be something there ready to seize the moment, something more than just cynicism. And it seems to me that the votes for chaos we've seen in recent history, Trump and Brexit, didn't lead to any break with the establishment, we've just seen various sordid elements of the establishment rise up to seize that opening for themselves, which is why we now have Truss and Kwarteng and then after them we'll go back to staid neoliberalism with crappy Starmer until he fluffs it and round and round until we're gone or we actually come up with something. So what is the point of voting for something really crappy just because it's a bit different? Our chance for an actual change for the better was with Corbyn, an activist and someone with actual ideas and hope, and sadly, the chaos of brexit was only a contributing factor in his ultimate defeat.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I think it's at best naive to think anything good can come from chaos and not from tireless effort and organisation. And at worst I think it can come off as a little heartless to simply shrug off the fear of persecution and attack that members of vulnerable communities feel because you don't personally fear it. Again, I would also argue it's probably naive to believe that the "unchanging power of the civil service" won't allow for us to slide backwards rapidly when the wrong conditions are met, I mean isn't that what we're witnessing happen in the States right now? It feels foolhardy to take any progress made for granted (if indeed you value that progress!).

I do largely agree with you on the primacy of economic equality, but I think it's too blithe and easy the way you wave away other types of oppression, and I don't think it's realistic. We are where we are, we can't go back in time and be cave people.
 
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