General Politics Thread

zrdb

School Idol
UK or US-the current thing that's in vogue government wise is let's see which party can crap the hardest on the other party.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
So as the expected happens and the Equality and Human Rights Comission today points us to the side of the barn where it has always said "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" I get the distinct feeling I've seen their logo somewhere before...

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zrdb

School Idol
Thank god-in just a few days all of this lunacy will hopefully be over and dump will be booted out of the Whitehouse-YAY!!!
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Thank god-in just a few days all of this lunacy will hopefully be over and dump will be booted out of the Whitehouse-YAY!!!
I still can't quite believe the Democrats went for the least inspiring, most middle-of-the-road status-quo candidate(s) AGAIN. It's like they learned nothing from 2016 (or 2008 apparently, when they won big because Obama actually inspired people, regardless of whether you think he actually acheived anything during his time in office). If Biden wins, which he probably will, it will still only be by favourable comparison to Trump rather than on his own merits.

But then I know what it's like having to choose the least worst option rather than one you actually support. I mean look at the state of the Labour Party, the choice at the next election is going to be neoliberalism with Boris Johnson's face on it or Keir Starmer's. Two party politics is awful, the Tories and Labour both need splitting into at least four parties to give people actual choice. It makes no sense for Labour to have free marketeers and apologists for apartheid regimes in the same party as economic socialists and campaigners for actual social justice, or for the Tories to have restriction-cutting libertarians along with close the borders nationalists and protectionists.
 

thedoctor2016

Harem King
Part of me does wish the left would leave Labour because nobody would vote for them. Look at change UK or even Brexit party they won’t get seats.
Yes we need PR but only a Labour coalition government would ever countenance the thought.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Part of me does wish the left would leave Labour because nobody would vote for them.
It's interesting how when the right is in control of the party, the left should be the ones to leave. But also during the entire period the left was in control of the party for the previous five years, the argument was STILL that the left should leave, even though they'd been voted into power by the membership (to be fair, now so has Starmer so I've done the reasonable thing and left. Why didn't the right do that when Corbyn was voted in?)

It's always the left who are the problem. Even when they got an overwhelming mandate from the membership, twice. Even when Corbyn's leadership increased Labour's vote share in 2017 by nearly ten percent and turned a 21 point Tory lead into a 2 point lead; this in an election Theresa May called because she was certain she would win in a landslide and increase her majority. His leadership is going to go down as a colossal failure despite all this, because as we know the victors, who are almost always the powerful and wealthy, write the history through the media and other organisations they control (which is also why they win in the first place) as they're now happily doing by dredging the whole antisemitism b*ll*cks up again to get rid of Corbyn and his allies once and for all. Or force them to repent and tow the line, either way the outcome will be the same. I sure hope all these meddling old people like Rupert Murdoch and Margaret Hodge who are holding back the future don't die of Covid. That would be terrible, wouldn't it?
 

thedoctor2016

Harem King
Jeremy was anti Semitic yesterday no doubt I screamed when I read his statement as yeah I regret voting for him as leader twice,.
But Keir got a large mandate in April a lot of people who voted Corbyn (like me) changed and wanted a center left party now because I never expected it to become toxic, anti Semitic and get destroyed to that degree. I switched simply because I liked Starmer since 2016 and the left ducked up decreeing RLB should be next leader when she was rubbish when I saw her I do think them thinking we would vote for whoever they decreed flipped me fully as yes I voted for both Starmer and Nandy because I didn’t like the tone the left set that we should vote for RLB.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Jeremy was anti Semitic yesterday no doubt I screamed when I read his statement as yeah I regret voting for him as leader twice,.
But Keir got a large mandate in April a lot of people who voted Corbyn (like me) changed and wanted a center left party now because I never expected it to become toxic, anti Semitic and get destroyed to that degree.
Well, of course I don't know which definition you're using (there are many) but I fail to see how saying something was twisted and exagerrated by the media for political purposes and stating factual figures is antisemitic (though New-New Labour clearly believes it is, so yet another reason for me to no longer support them). I mean, it's not like he said "The Jewish media are behind this" or something. Also how come the EHRC, the media and now the Labour Party are always willing to listen and believe right wing Jews who accuse Corbyn of antisemitism, but not the left wing Jews who supported him and don't believe he is antisemitic? Obviously because it suits their agendas and it's so plainly transparent I struggle to believe there are people who can't see right through the obvious bias and manipulation.
 

zrdb

School Idol
If you haven't already, get out there and vote yourself. If you don't vote, you don't have a voice, and you don't have any right to bitch if things don't go the way you wanted them to. Amen-words to live by!!
 
The members are not the electorate. It’s long past time Labour realised that. Corbyn might have closed the gap on May, but voters had seen through his avuncular grandpa crap last time when he got destroyed by the most incompetent government in history. Accusations of anti-semitism aside, I will never forgive Corbyn for Boris’ 80 seat majority!
 

Darren Skippings

Dandy Guy, in Space
Most of the reason Labour crashed in 19 was the Brexit position, offering a second ref, when all red wall seats voted to leave, bad move, especially when the Tories, media and press made sure it was a Brexit election and who was the idiot who pushed for the 2nd ref, Starmer, who has profited most from this, Starmer, doesn't take a genius to figure out.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
The members are not the electorate. It’s long past time Labour realised that.
I’ve said it before but if the point of politics is simply to get elected by having policies you think the electorate will support, rather than ones you actually believe in, then there’s very little point in democracy at all. Who influences what the voters believe? The media, so if you're pandering to the views they are pushing you’re basically just letting them make the political decisions. Who elected Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers and Viscount Rothermere? Who changed those voters' minds on Corbyn by publishing smear after smear? Who gave Boris glowing coverage in the run up to the election? Media empires run by tax-dodging right wing billionaires. Those aren't the people I want making the decisions.
 
Those aren't the people I want making the decisions.

But they're the ones you have to deal with if you want power. You either accept that fact and move on, or spend an eternity protesting about it and never get a sniff of power. This isn't news. It was just the same when Michael Foot led the party into a disastrous election, one that the party took over 15 years to recover from. Back then it was Militant... now it's Momentum.

Believe it or not, I voted Labour in the last election. I had to. For years we had a great MP, Teresa Pearce, only she was hounded out by the abuse and vitriol of radical leftwing nutjobs. And then Corbyn tried to parachute one of his disciples into our constituency from whereever. Thankfully someone local got the nomination instead, but it was a close thing. I've had need of the services of my MP on more than one occasion over the years, and believe me, it is essential that you have someone invested in the local community representing you. You think Corbyn cared about that?
 

ayase

State Alchemist
But they're the ones you have to deal with if you want power. You either accept that fact and move on, or spend an eternity protesting about it and never get a sniff of power.
Or you take an actually useful page out of the Trump playbook, stand up and tell everybody in public speeches (rather than controlled media interviews) that the media are biased liars and refuse to have anything to do with them. Shout from the rooftops who these people are and what their vested interests and biases are. That’s where Corbyn went wrong imo, he didn’t fight back hard enough. As a politician, you want the people listening to YOU, not to the media’s perception of you. And Trump has done a pretty good job, his supporters are far more likely to listen to him than to the media who he’s successfully convinced them are not to be trusted. And whatever anyone might think of him otherwise, on that particular count he’s not wrong.
I've had need of the services of my MP on more than one occasion over the years, and believe me, it is essential that you have someone invested in the local community representing you. You think Corbyn cared about that?
I genuinely have no idea, though I doubt any other leader would be any more likely to care, parachuting allies into seats is hardly a new practice. I do think he cared about improving people’s lives and making the country a fairer place, which is not something I can say for many (if any) other political leaders in my lifetime.
 

thedoctor2016

Harem King
Or you take an actually useful page out of the Trump playbook, stand up and tell everybody in public speeches (rather than controlled media interviews) that the media are biased liars and refuse to have anything to do with them. Shout from the rooftops who these people are and what their vested interests and biases are. That’s where Corbyn went wrong imo, he didn’t fight back hard enough. As a politician, you want the people listening to YOU, not to the media’s perception of you. And Trump has done a pretty good job, his supporters are far more likely to listen to him than to the media who he’s successfully convinced them are not to be trusted. And whatever anyone might think of him otherwise, on that particular count he’s not wrong.
He tried to discredit panorama. Yes the workers party being sued by workers was a final straw and ill be honest I quit labour last July because of it my party the workers party being sued by workers. ( i did rejoin when Watson quit to vote in that election) Thank christ Starmer did the right thing and settled. Then again Corbyn opened his mouth like he did on Thursday and is getting sued by Ware. And the fact these lefties moan that labour money doing the right thing and then raise £400K to get sued was like what are these peoples priorities. I am not talking that report because I find it highly dubious last weeks of a leadership gathering dirt and oh look it leaks ill wait for the enquiry to end for that please.
 

serpantino

Thousand Master
Looks like some scumbag politicians are about to make a fortune. Shutting down high Street chains just before christmas & the stupidity that is black friday... I'm sure amazon will be making significant contributions to their bank accounts for that major incoming sales boost along with the realtors who'll be buying up the bankrupted businesses.

Select few get richer & the poor get the dwp's murderous,human rights breaching, meat grinder. Sadly many deserve it for voting for them in the first place.

This country is in desperate need of a new political party that stands a chance instead of Tory & diet Tory (Labour).
 

ayase

State Alchemist
along with the realtors who'll be buying up the bankrupted businesses.
And converting said empty retail units into housing for a tidy profit thanks to the upcoming changes to planning regulations, I imagine. Which they can then privately rent out to the now unemployed former employees of the bust businesses in exchange for their housing benefit. Not that the government will probably be able to afford to pay people housing benefit once this is all over. When are debtor's prisons and workhouses coming back? It can't be long at this rate.
 

serpantino

Thousand Master
It's all very clever the way they cook the books to get positive stats. I remember when benefits started being taxed, I mean why? Give you money then take a bit back. It means they can pay you more whilst also paying you less & funnelling it into a different department.

I'm not saying that another lockdown wasn't needed but the timing is hugely suspicious when a lot of medical professionals have said it should have happened earlier if at all.

Has anyone seen the reports on businesses that have been given government contracts for ppe etc? Seems a lot of them are either completely unrelated to the industry or small companies that previously had earning reports under £10,000 & reported between 1 & 10 employees that have been offered multi-million pound contracts. There's some serious profiteering going on at the expense of the NHS & covid victims.
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
most of the PPE companies are affiliated to either Tory MPs, lords or the spouses, it is just plain ordinary cronyism and corruption, just milking the public purse.
It really is scandalous isn't it, though hardly unexpected from tories. The worst thing of course is how tragically incompetent those companies have been.
 
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