Garden of Sinners Simulwatch.

Geriatric hedgehog

Magical Girl
Chapter 2

I always enjoy some effectively planned time jumping in stories. After setting the scene in the first chapter, going back to the protagonists' relationship origin here was a great touch. The visual and aural mastery once again contributing beautifully to the atmosphere, and in the process showing up the writing somewhat I felt. As others have said, the use of lighting is par excellence, especially given the age of these movies.

As @WMD mentioned, the Kokuto fits the usual dullard male MC role,
The way he wilfully ignores what going does grate on me. He doesnt really do anything to help or stop Shiki. And to top it off he doesnt even learn a lesson.
but to play devil's advocate, I think his love for Shiki overrides his duty to society (and his own personal safety) to potentially ignore all the pointers to her being a psychotic murderer, even after she confesses this to him and warns him off! No wonder her retort to him after the warning is "how dare you?!". I think he tries to help her the only way he can/she will let him, which is passively by camping outside her place but ultimately, as he states, he is pretty convinced she ain't done dem murderation (standing next to a headless corpse, still gushing blood anime style, does not constitute proof!!).
Seeing Shikis past as a deranged murderer was very interesting and unexpected. Especially as shes framed purely as a grumpy hero in the first film. Here she is a villian. A self confessed pyscho. Irredeemable.
This is why I love the placement of this episode after the first where we are given the impression that here are your heroes who will save the day, only to be thrown the curveball of nah this one is actually a psycho killer. The dual personality clarifies the last preview's statement of when SHIKI was still in Shiki, so then we know that that personality is not present in the time period of the first movie.

One interesting scene was right after the fourth murder, with the random mystery student who had a brief but accusation-laden confrontation with Shiki in the corridor, stating he knew she was frustrated but four was too much. I'm shocked he didn't become the next victim heh. I'm sure cockatoo, err, I mean Kokuto (also sp??), was seen chatting to this same guy in a cafe before going to camp outside Shiki's place. Close call for Kokuto in the end but it sounded like truck-kun was there to save the day!!

The post-credits scene only further deepens the mystery with a third party (or was it Shiki's butler?!!) speaking of some indecipherable and a sinister plan, with Shiki/SHIKI at its core, apparently starting to come together. The preview seems to show the scion of another reputable family squaring off with the Ryougi one.


But this was genius in ways I couldn't appreciate until this second viewing
It certainly lends itself to very satisfying re-watches.
I'm watching this with my brother who is a first time viewer and his feedback is that it's just annoying how they stay focused on a single scene for too long. I dunno I thought it was well paced.
Biased as I am, I agree with you that the scene setting is well paced and in my opinion integral to generating that atmosphere.
In fairness some of them do vary. The longest one is a full 2 hour movie so would be like doing 5 episodes in a day!
Very true! I will need to dose up on the caffeine for that personal favourite.
 

Lordhippos

Magical Girl
Movie 2

The thing I remember most after watching this the first time is just how different this Shiki is to the one we met in Movie 1.

Shiki proving that you can, in fact, wear a jacket over a Kimono 🤣

Kokotu was naive as has been pointed out, but he's proven he is husbando material for Shiki, by not running away after the declaration that Shiki is in fact a split personality with a penchant for murderous behaviour.

There was some interesting discourse around how you perceive others to view you, versus how they actually do, and how you can't assume anything when it comes to this external factor, at least that was my take away from the discussion anyway.

Kokotu is convinced that Shiki is not guilty of murder, but wants to see if he can test that theory up close and personal.
 
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Birdie Num Num

School Idol
Film 2 - First Time Watch, I thought that was slightly better than the first film. I liked that we got backstory for Shiki and Kokotu, and I'm with Kokotu, I don't really think if she is the murderer. She was just there and found the bodies and put blood on her lips while smiling....

I did notice when Shiki was having her sword match, her left arm got cut, foreshadowing for losing her arm. So far I'm happy with this blind buy and hope that the next bunch of films are just as good or better even.
 

Dai

Hunter
2. .......and nothing heart.
This is the second-weakest movie in the series, IMO. In theory it should be good that we're getting all this backstory and character interaction between Shiki and Kokutou, but in practice it just makes me want to smack them both. Kokutou is infuriatingly naive here. I know it's supposed to show blind faith in the person he loves, but he just comes across like the kind of battered spouse who keeps insisting their partner would never really hurt them, right up until the moment they're beaten to death.

The other thing that annoys me about this movie is the perfunctory way it establishes Rio with a throwaway 10-second appearance, considering how important he is later. Very poor fore-shadowing.
 

Geriatric hedgehog

Magical Girl
Kokotu is convinced that Shiki is not guilty of murder, but wants to see if he can test that theory up close and personal.
Kokotu was naive as has been pointed out, but he's proven he is husbando material for Shiki
No man could be more honest when stating the vows of "till death do us part"!
I don't really think if she is the murderer. She was just there and found the bodies and put blood on her lips while smiling....
Dude, what about the incredibly fresh headless corpse she was bathing in the blood of??! Just kidding, Kokuto does have a point in that he has not witnessed the actual murder, just circumstances immediately after, but boy is he splitting hairs.
I did notice when Shiki was having her sword match, her left arm got cut, foreshadowing for losing her arm.
Good spot! I'd missed that, both times if I might add...
I know it's supposed to show blind faith in the person he loves, but he just comes across like the kind of battered spouse who keeps insisting their partner would never really hurt them, right up until the moment they're beaten to death.
That's exactly how he comes across, worryingly so, though I get the feeling it wasn't meant to be ironic and we were genuinely just meant to believe in his magnanimous support for Shiki.

Also I'm very surprised that, as per the laws of high school anime characters, his blandness doesn't have a whole harem of his classmates chucking themselves at him, even if Shiki counts as two of said harem...

the perfunctory way it establishes Rio with a throwaway 10-second appearance, considering how important he is later. Very poor fore-shadowing.
I'm almost certainly wrong about this, but was his development an afterthought to complete the initial murder story eventually after being forgotten for the the main story arc? Can't recall him being shown again but for the final one...
 

Vincentdante

Combat Butler
Film 2 - First Time Watch, I thought that was slightly better than the first film. I liked that we got backstory for Shiki and Kokotu, and I'm with Kokotu, I don't really think if she is the murderer. She was just there and found the bodies and put blood on her lips while smiling....

I did notice when Shiki was having her sword match, her left arm got cut, foreshadowing for losing her arm. So far I'm happy with this blind buy and hope that the next bunch of films are just as good or better even.
Good catch with shiki's arm. Wow I missed that myself too.
 

Vincentdante

Combat Butler
2. .......and nothing heart.
This is the second-weakest movie in the series, IMO. In theory it should be good that we're getting all this backstory and character interaction between Shiki and Kokutou, but in practice it just makes me want to smack them both. Kokutou is infuriatingly naive here. I know it's supposed to show blind faith in the person he loves, but he just comes across like the kind of battered spouse who keeps insisting their partner would never really hurt them, right up until the moment they're beaten to death.

The other thing that annoys me about this movie is the perfunctory way it establishes Rio with a throwaway 10-second appearance, considering how important he is later. Very poor fore-shadowing.
I agree they really could have done Rio a lot better. It's either too obvious it's the well animated nobody or it's impossible to solve.
 

Dai

Hunter
3. ever cry, never life.
A self-contained story this time, and stronger for it. Assumptions about which characters' actions are justified or not are continually shaken up throughout until everyone has blood on their hands and it's hard to tell if anyone was 'right'. This movie features possibly the most despicable example of senpai/kouhai culture I've ever seen, where Kokutou harbours his junior, a confessed and unrepentent serial rapist, not only from the sadistic avenger but seemingly from the law too (let's not forget that his brother is a detective). It's a glaring plot hole that we never find out what became of Keita in the end; was he even arrested?

For all her edgelord talk of 'murdering' everything in sight, Shiki is probably the most moral character in this chapter (Touko lost that battle by being a deadbeat who doesn't pay her staff). If an appendectomy is murder, Japan's surgeons need to take another look at their insurance. As with Keita, we don't really find out what happens to Fujino afterwards. This is a recurring theme across the chapters; Shiki and co. only seem interested in stopping the supernatural event, and take no interest in the aftermath (in movie 1, Shiki didn't even seem too motivated to prevent any deaths aside from Kokutou's, writing them off as inevitable due to the number of time-displaced ghosts she saw). Whatever you think of Fujino's revenge against the rapists, she lost any shred of justification once she killed that random driver, so again it's awkward that the story dodges the issue of whether she's prosecuted.

Overall it's an interesting story that seems engineered to leave the viewer without easy answers.
 
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Lordhippos

Magical Girl
Movie 3

That early rape scene was quite hard-watching I thought, these people were just there taking advantage of this poor girl and using her like a doll. not a human.

I agree with @Dai that crew deserved no sympathy at all, not a single one of them tried to stop any of the proceedings. All scum to me!

Kokutou once again somehow drawn to trying to protect the psychopathic girl, there aren't that many of them, but he sure manages to find them all the same.

There was a couple of contrivances here that seemed to exist just for the plot, like how Tokou somehow guessed that she was hit on the back which fixed her pain sensitivity, and how the pain in her abdomen was thought to be a knife wound but was instead her appendix.

The fight scene at the end was really good though, felt like a mini boss battle :D
 

farzam1999

Completely Average High School Student
I watched the second and third movies over the past 3 days (I managed to catch up somehow lol).
My favorite so far is the 3rd one, but Kokutou is getting on my nerves, he reminds me a bit of Shirou from Fate tbh.
The second one was alright, I didn't quite follow the story in the first half, but the latter half really caught my interest. The scene at the end, where they stayed on a "frame" too long, made it quite weird, it was like the credits were about to roll but didn't 😅

I'm okay with these being out of order, but that's when there's like 3 movies in total. For me, it's going to be a bit hard when there's 8 lol, but I'm keeping up so far! - I plan to watch my JP release of Recalled Out Summer afterwards.
 

farzam1999

Completely Average High School Student
Watched the 4th movie last night, it was a short one.
I found it interesting to watch from Shiki’s perspective, like seeing how her eyes work. But also how she met Touko and was hired by her. I wonder if we get more backstory on Touko or not, would be interesting to know her character more. Nonetheless, it was great to get more information about Shiki and how she got her ability.

From my understanding, is the order now 2-4-3-1?
 

WMD

Cardcaptor
4. garan-no-dou

Really enjoyed this one. Seeing the team form, filling the gap between 2nd film and the others, seeing Shiki actually show real vulnerability; it's all good stuff. I guess having Kokouto be more of a background character helps too lol.

The early parts where we see Shiki in a more ethereal plane was really cool and very nicely animated/designed. The action at the end was well done too and Touko actually participated which was cool to see.

The post credits scene was cool too. Setting up future films while giving some new context to old ones!

@farzam1999 yeah that's how I've understood the order as well
 

farzam1999

Completely Average High School Student
The early parts where we see Shiki in a more ethereal plane was really cool and very nicely animated/designed. The action at the end was well done too and Touko actually participated which was cool to see.
Do you think Touko didn't kill the zombie on purpose to "force" Shiki to use her ability? - I got that impression.
 

Lordhippos

Magical Girl
Movie 4

This was a very Shiki focused episode, with puppy-kun not making much of an appearance.

We finally see how Shiki uses her eyes to kill SHIKI so that she is just one persona again, but we haven't yet seen how Shiki wound up in the hospital in the first place yet. Even though I have seen the series before, I am not sure even I can remember the exact events that caused it either.

I think Touko just wants some cheap workers, Shiki is happy to be paid in murder, and previously we've seen Kokouto is kinda happy not to be paid at all. Touko also shows how she can change her style to fit various roles/perceptions.

In the end, I think even though she left it to Shiki to deal with the ghoul, she was just letting her practice and would have stepped in should she have been needed. Incidentally this is the first time we see Touko take the stage and use her abilities.
 

Dai

Hunter
We finally see how Shiki uses her eyes to kill SHIKI so that she is just one persona again
Uh, we did? I didn't get that impression at all. My reading of it was that Shiki was hovering so close to death that one of the personas had to die, and it was either random chance which one didn't survive or SHIKI sacrificed himself. The way Touko keeps saying, "For what reason did SHIKI die?" made it sound to me like he sacrificed himself so Shiki could survive, and Touko thinks she's wasting the life she was given back.
 
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