Big Brother at London Expo

vashdaman said:
Ehh? Luton aint the ghetto :?
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I never said it was, though death happens regularly and that can't be ignored.

Last year a guy was killed at the top of my road, outside a mcdonalds, hammered in the head, later died.
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/ ... _1_1028915

Another guy in the park opposite the mcdonalds was sat for 24 hours with a sawn off shotgun before killing himself all for no apparent reason.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12264835


few years ago a policeman was stabbed and killed on the steps of the town hall.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 918040.ece

The terrorist groups in luton are obvious and in one part of luton you can be beaten up for simply being white and in "the wrong area" racial tensions are the norm in luton and anyone who thinks otherwise has never been in the town for long enough to learn the basics.

http://www.euro-islam.info/2010/12/21/o ... uton-home/

I say no more ¬___¬
 
Tachi said:
vashdaman said:
Ehh? Luton aint the ghetto :?
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I never said it was, though death happens regularly and that can't be ignored.

Last year a guy was killed at the top of my road, outside a mcdonalds, hammered in the head, later died.
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/ ... _1_1028915

Another guy in the park opposite the mcdonalds was sat for 24 hours with a sawn off shotgun before killing himself all for no apparent reason.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12264835


few years ago a policeman was stabbed and killed on the steps of the town hall.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 918040.ece

The terrorist groups in luton are obvious and in one part of luton you can be beaten up for simply being white and in "the wrong area" racial tensions are the norm in luton and anyone who thinks otherwise has never been in the town for long enough to learn the basics.

http://www.euro-islam.info/2010/12/21/o ... uton-home/

I say no more ¬___¬
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Hmmm I still don't get your point, that kind of thing can be said for many areas in the UK. And there are much, much worse places to live in the UK than Luton so........how does all that defend the "English defence league". note the word play there again :wink:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-12372713

He told the crowd: "There are no racial tensions in Luton, just religious tensions."

If you know anything about the EDL they aren't racist, they are against a religion. If you believe that is wrong then go read a book about the crusades and learn about english history itself. Things like this have gone on for thousands of years yet in todays age they call it as racist. In essence nothings changed bar the fact that in todays laws you can't openly invade each others country without other countries getting involved. back in the crusades thats what happened.

Anyway, what i'm sayin is that people should look into things before just giving an opinion. For instance i can tell that you've said they are racist, based on what others have said. A sheep following the flock really.

As for the worse places to live:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3692154.stm

2004 was apparently lutons year to shine at the top of that list. THings haven't changed much but were going for city status so that'll either go right or wrong.
 
Tachi said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-12372713

He told the crowd: "There are no racial tensions in Luton, just religious tensions."

If you know anything about the EDL they aren't racist, they are against a religion. If you believe that is wrong then go read a book about the crusades and learn about english history itself. Things like this have gone on for thousands of years yet in todays age they call it as racist. In essence nothings changed bar the fact that in todays laws you can't openly invade each others country without other countries getting involved. back in the crusades thats what happened.

Anyway, what i'm sayin is that people should look into things before just giving an opinion. For instance i can tell that you've said they are racist, based on what others have said. A sheep following the flock really.

As for the worse places to live:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3692154.stm

2004 was apparently lutons year to shine at the top of that list. THings haven't changed.
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uummm..ok then, although it could have been voted worst town for many a reason, and its still not ghetto. Also I never said they were rasicst,I suggested they were cheap thugs, although they may well be racist for all I know.

Are you suggesting the Crusades were good? If so that is rather baffling...
and being "anti-religion" whatever religion that may be is completely moronic, would it be different if they were anti Jewish rather than anti Islam?
 
"Race" is a weird concept and as much as I think it should be just used based on country of birth or skin colour, religion gets in the mix somewhere. Heck, Einstein said he was a member of the Jewish people even into later life when he stopped being Jewish in the religious sense.
 
Never said it was a ghetto.

And you got the aim of the crusades point wrong. i was saying that the crusades was a war of religions. Not races. SO thats why you can call the EDL anit-regilous not racist because in essence they are both one in the same, the EDL is just a modern day crusaders i suppose.


As a athiest i don't believe in god, i don't mind others believeing in god because its not for me to say whats right and whats wrong. However, if a religion has laws to itself that are against the fold of people then obviously i'll be against it.

For instance, go learn sharia law and come back and well talk about your findings. if you want that law across here then fair enough but when your son or daughter is killed to uphold a familys honour, then you'll just sit back and go " oh alright then, thats okay"

Look at ireland, south vs north, religoius "War". terrorists involved in that too.

I'm against anything that surpresses people, or brainwashes them into killing or harming another person.

In an ideal world there's no racism because we all get along and colour or height or hair colour or voice or language are just add ons to life. not something to mock each other. Use it as a positive thing not reason to attack each other.

Humans on a general plain are animals dressing up to try and become a higher intelligence, when in actual fact they are so primitive that they can't collectively take the step forward to become truly apart from the animals. which is to stop confrontation unless its healthy competition (like the world cup or the olympics)
 
Tachi said:
Never said it was a ghetto.

And you got the aim of the crusades point wrong. i was saying that the crusades was a war of religions. Not races. SO thats why you can call the EDL anit-regilous not racist because in essence they are both one in the same, the EDL is just a modern day crusaders i suppose.


As a athiest i don't believe in god, i don't mind others believeing in god because its not for me to say whats right and whats wrong. However, if a religion has laws to itself that are against the fold of people then obviously i'll be against it.

For instance, go learn sharia law and come back and well talk about your findings. if you want that law across here then fair enough but when your son or daughter is killed to uphold a familys honour, then you'll just sit back and go " oh alright then, thats okay"

Look at ireland, south vs north, religoius "War". terrorists involved in that too.

I'm against anything that surpresses people, or brainwashes them into killing or harming another person.

In an ideal world there's no racism because we all get along and colour or height or hair colour or voice or language are just add ons to life. not something to mock each other. Use it as a positive thing not reason to attack each other.

Humans on a general plain are animals dressing up to try and become a higher intelligence, when in actual fact they are so primitive that they can't collectively take the step forward to become truly apart from the animals. which is to stop confrontation unless its healthy competition (like the world cup or the olympics)
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Yeah the crusades were ******** though, just christains trying to force their religion on other people and killing those who got in the way. So thats probably not the best comparison for you to use when making your point. Although I agree the EDL is equally stupid as the crusades.

I know all about Sharia law, and yes I don't like it either. Fact is though not all Muslims follow it. And th Koran can be interpreted in so many different ways. You can't just look at Sharia law and say alright, lets wage a war againts Islam. There are bad interpretations of infomation, and just outdated infomation in nearly every religion after all.

Don't be so ridiculous to try scare mongering me with that "When Sharia law is in this country and they kill your children" ********. Thats just as bad as the crap in the Daily star(staying vaugely on topic, see).

You say we should stop confrontation, then why are you defending fools like the EDL?
 
@Tachi re EDL what is your point exactly? I'm a little confused since you keep contradicting yourself:

"but come to a place where death is common practice and most areas aren't safe... and you'll probably asses if things across here have become a problem. (where did that terrorist in sweden or switz the other month come from? oh yeah... luton)"

"If you know anything about the EDL they aren't racist, they are against a religion. If you believe that is wrong then go read a book about the crusades and learn about english history itself. Things like this have gone on for thousands of years yet in todays age they call it as racist."

So you're saying terrorists who kill people for religious reasons are wrong, but the crusaders who also killed for religious reasons are right? I would say both are wrong.

"Best knock that tone on the head son, its not worth the hassle to reply properly but saying a group are racist when you have no background knowledge is not the wisest of moves."

Because the EDL are always well informed about a situation when they act/protest:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/13/english-defence-league-protest-palestinian

"in one part of luton you can be beaten up for simply being white and in "the wrong area"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8589443.stm

It is also equally likely to happen the other way round. I agree there is a problem in luton and with extremism (all types, not just religious), but I don't think groups such as the EDL are the answer:

"Mr Iqbal is a Muslim. The other house that was attacked belonged to a neighbour a few doors away – who is a Christian. There is a crucifix on the front of the house, which the bigots of the EDL seemed to miss, Socialist worker reported."

Source: http://uaf.org.uk/2011/02/late-night-attack-on-luton-homes-follows-racist-edl-demo/

@vashdaman: Good post especially:

"I know all about Sharia law, and yes I don't like it either. Fact is though not all Muslims follow it."

Very true, though try explaining that to people like the BNP & EDL .
 
can we not talk about edl, religion, sharia, ect i walked that path once and its not a pretty sight to see believe me and the edl, mac, uaf have idiots in them and i walked away from that cause you end up hating people and in the end hate destroys you

if someone hates you for what you believe or the way you look or the way you think, like, eat, ect there just uneducated, its the older generation that teaches the younger generation to hate others.
 
kamina888 said:
@Tachi re EDL what is your point exactly? I'm a little confused since you keep contradicting yourself:

"but come to a place where death is common practice and most areas aren't safe... and you'll probably asses if things across here have become a problem. (where did that terrorist in sweden or switz the other month come from? oh yeah... luton)"

"If you know anything about the EDL they aren't racist, they are against a religion. If you believe that is wrong then go read a book about the crusades and learn about english history itself. Things like this have gone on for thousands of years yet in todays age they call it as racist."

So you're saying terrorists who kill people for religious reasons are wrong, but the crusaders who also killed for religious reasons are right? I would say both are wrong.
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No i was saying that they are equally as bad.

Somewhere along the lines i've been mixed up in this.

for the record, i don't support EDL and i'm not a member, i was saying that things like this have happened for hundreds of years so put basically you can't stop it, but in my ideal world there wouldn't be racial tension or religion at all.

And as for luton. i like the town, despite everything bad that happens, but there are tensions here and i have to live with it everyday, so unlike you guys its not a problem for you, whereas its something i have to think about when i go out.

Because luton is so diverse in its population there's all directions that things could come from. and the EDL didn't help matters in luton, it became dangerous to walk the streets that day because people where getting beaten up based on what colour they where, a friend of mine got mugged, all the taxi drivers stopped working that night and the attacks where both islamic supporters going around in gangs and EDL supporters in gangs too.

The few things that i agree with though is that the charity we send to other countries needs to stop. Build ourselves up financially again then think about aid to others, otherwise taxes will rise and nobody will do anything to stop the rich staying rich and the rest becoming poor.

I'm fed up with this country because of tax alone. i'd live on an island on my own if i could.
 
animefreak17 said:
can we not talk about edl, religion, sharia, ect i walked that path once and its not a pretty sight to see believe me and the edl, mac, uaf have idiots in them and i walked away from that cause you end up hating people and in the end hate destroys you

if someone hates you for what you believe or the way you look or the way you think, like, eat, ect there just uneducated, its the older generation that teaches the younger generation to hate others.
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For a second there I thought you were saying you were an ex EDL member who walked away from that life style. Sorry I know now that you obviously weren't saying that animefreak, but nontheless the idea was briefy amusing in a wrongful sort of way.

@Tachi
I want to apologize for being so argumentative, I shouldn't have turned this thread into a rubbish political debate. I still satnd by my view that the EDL are a bunch of twits, and should change their name thier Earth Defence League and battle aliens, super villians and global warming rather than the Muslim population of Luton.
Anyway regardless of how you feel about them I don't you judge you at all based on that Tachi, and I won't engage in any political religious debates in the anime forum again.

Also sorry if it sounded like I was insulting Luton(or Loot town which is the new ghetto nickname for it I have just made up), I have no problem with Luton and know some good people from there, and yes some parts are fairly rough. I was just being argumentative as I'm sure many members of this forum are from just as multi-cultural areas as you.

Anyway its all good.
 
Don't worry about it lol

It was a healthy debate on a tough subject, i didn't take offense to it i just like debating :p On any footing if i took it too far then i too apologise, not here to start wars but to debate on things.

As for luton.... its the town i grew up and live in, there are many bad aspects and in places it can be dangerous but for the most part i don't hate it. i do infact loath the fact that its in the news so much and usually for bad reasons.

Radio 1 is playing nirvana..... and on that note we should all adopt to listen to nirvana, headbang and watch some damn anime.

lol

leaving note..... f*** channel 4 and 5.
 
i know were having a friendly discussion about this and such but unless a group was directly attacking us for liking anime we take a stand and say *your not watching it so whats the problem*
so anyway we should leave religion, race, ect alone on these forums because one wrong word and were in trouble.
i bet theres loads of anime fans that are
jewish
gypsy
indian
black
white
muslim
ect ect ect
 
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Sean Alpha said:
It was me Sean Alpha blogger who contacted chaos about this terrible act . I wasnt expecting a lawsuit to come from this but to shed some light on the matter because not only was a stupid act by mike towers the owner of these events but alot of stupid comments and suggestions were made on facebook saying protesting against these events which is also stupid . We have to as a sub culture seem more mature and more evloved than the perpetrators of these acts make us as.
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Isn't Mike Towers the animeleague guy who is always trying to diss the expos?
 
Re: Yes It was I

Project-2501 said:
Sean Alpha said:
It was me Sean Alpha blogger who contacted chaos about this terrible act . I wasnt expecting a lawsuit to come from this but to shed some light on the matter because not only was a stupid act by mike towers the owner of these events but alot of stupid comments and suggestions were made on facebook saying protesting against these events which is also stupid . We have to as a sub culture seem more mature and more evloved than the perpetrators of these acts make us as.
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Isn't Mike Towers the animeleague guy who is always trying to diss the expos?
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*Google's "Mike Towers Animeleague"*

HAHAHA OMFG FREESAIYAN HAS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA PAGE!! XD
 
Tachi said:
You come to luton for a few months and tell me nothings wrong. Very nice being a brummie with no problems because nothing happens in yam-land, but come to a place where death is common practice and most areas aren't safe
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:lol:

The mind boggles, seriously.
 
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