Buzzkillington
Cardcaptor
Yeah it would be lovely if we could get an idea if the price of the UK release is being adjusted or not, as much as I liked the show there's not a chance I'm paying the current joke of an asking price.
UK Anime Distributor Anime Limited Discussion Thread
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Jaysgba
Combat Butler
The UK price is totally justified. We get a booklet.
thedoctor2016
Mushi-shi
Part 2s SRP is now £40 whiles part 1 is still £50 so who knows
I'm up for seeing Cardcaptor Sakura coming to the UK. I did a bit of math on how a potential release could be laid out as well lol.
Since there's 70 episodes, NISA split the series across 9 discs so that's 23 episodes per set (24 for Set 3) if AL had to put out the show in three parts.
For an SRP £149.99 Ultimate Edition there could be two solutions:
- Have all 70 episodes across three collector's edition style sets
- Have all 70 episodes across three amaray cases and offer a box to hold all of them together
The Ultimate Edition could have an Artbook and even a wand just to make every person magical.
For an SRP £149.99 Ultimate Edition there could be two solutions:
- Have all 70 episodes across three collector's edition style sets
- Have all 70 episodes across three amaray cases and offer a box to hold all of them together
The Ultimate Edition could have an Artbook and even a wand just to make every person magical.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
Hmm.
I have in the past said that I don't think AL really cares about putting stuff out to the consumer at the cheapest possible price and I still think that.
That said, I don't know that it's really fair to compare the two ERASED offerings seeing as the UK market is much more exposed to Collector's Editions (it's quite possible Madman were able to argue things AL couldn't), and the UK is in a period of extreme commercial volatility right now. Their deal with AoA will not be in GBP. If they set something too close to the wire and GBP suddenly changes, it could cause huge problems. Especially given Part 2 is released in March.
Maybe now isn't the time to start pushing for prices to be set in stone when they aren't due to happen for a few months. And it's perhaps worth noting, the sooner they're pushed into setting a price, the less likely it is to work in our favour...
I have in the past said that I don't think AL really cares about putting stuff out to the consumer at the cheapest possible price and I still think that.
That said, I don't know that it's really fair to compare the two ERASED offerings seeing as the UK market is much more exposed to Collector's Editions (it's quite possible Madman were able to argue things AL couldn't), and the UK is in a period of extreme commercial volatility right now. Their deal with AoA will not be in GBP. If they set something too close to the wire and GBP suddenly changes, it could cause huge problems. Especially given Part 2 is released in March.
Maybe now isn't the time to start pushing for prices to be set in stone when they aren't due to happen for a few months. And it's perhaps worth noting, the sooner they're pushed into setting a price, the less likely it is to work in our favour...
I don't think overall this is incorrect and some points to consider here:
- Pricing: We do care about price obviously (else nobody would buy it and we'd be out of the job) but to do a nice edition, you have to pay a higher price. Example is that the Australian release will be barebones if that price is true (we've not locked our model 100% in yet and if they're doing that, it gives us weight to consider trying something - a benefit of us not locking our model in earlier). It's a constant balancing act ultimately to weigh up costs for it, but the reason it costs more is this stuff isn't cheap (translation of extra content, print cost for a nice book and in this case it is more of a book than anything + collector's packaging).
- NB on pricing: Keep in mind at SRP we're already 47% cheaper than the US SRP and a further 31% cheaper than the "current" pricing on TRSI and that's at SRP of £49.99 not including discounts.
- Model: You nailed it, we still do have wriggle room time if the AUS price is true - but do even close assuming $35 is pre discount you'd be looking at a barebones release from Day 1, which I'd be surprised if AoA would okay for anyone doing given risk of counter importation to the USA as that would be 44% cheaper than one part to own the whole show. We appreciate the reasonable discussion too as it's more swaying than other posts with people being mean about stuff
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- Re Australian price - Can someone link me to where it was announced? I literally cannot see anywhere announcing $35 AUD a set here - on Madman.com.au, JBHIFI or EZYDVD so am curious where this came from .
. Doesn't make it any easier for folks who want the discs just which is why we're getting a more fixed policy for standard editions on the go now too .If there is an option to maintain our new fixed window for standard editions though that means you'd have one within 2017 though assuming the Madman piece is true, which is pretty good news all round (I'll hold my breath until proven though).
Dealing with the other thread:
First off - there is still room for a standard edition to be out within 2017 then if the Australian pricing is true (can't find any links for now even on Madman's own site or FB though). Pricing of the set itself comes down to if we can shave cost on the Collector's Edition first though and there's only so far you can go.
Secondly - there's still room for a special offer on our store too if prices don't decrease with retail which would make it more accessible again.
Thirdly - rigid packaging and a book (it's super chunky when you translate the missing content) is not cheap, so every drop in price is another unit needed to sell to break even so eventually when not dealing with SAO for example this gets harder to justify. Which is why having a model for standard editions 6 months after Collector's release is so important for something like ERASED and something in this particular licensor's case can be difficult to get approved as you can imagine.
Either way, happy new year folks and look forward to working with everyone in 2017 too! Here's hoping we can call keep it friendly and productive as you folks matter a lot to us as you can imagine - but we have our own constraints to work within too
!Best,
Andrew
PS - We're huge fans of ERASED which is why we so passionately chased it by the by - can't wait to get that show on the road!
CCS is a thing we'd love to do, don't have it at present but never say never there!
EDIT: It's a tough one to consider how we'd do it and since we don't have it at present I can't really think too far into it as there's alllllll sorts of issues that can crop up! CLAMP properties are special cases too as the authors have more power than any committee there.
AP
Oh, wow. Thanks!
Justin pretty much nails it - except in this case it's not a permanent exclusive but a timed one, so it will appear in general trade later down the line for sure there. Zavvi have a good track record of catering to a different audience than the usual and we value what they do (even if there are occasional hiccups) so it's nice to lend support. We look constantly across companies to see what we can do and you'll see us try a lot more for 2017 I think to try and do some special things
.Best,
AP
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
I don't think overall this is incorrect and some points to consider here:
- Pricing: We do care about price obviously (else nobody would buy it and we'd be out of the job) but to do a nice edition, you have to pay a higher price. Example is that the Australian release will be barebones if that price is true (we've not locked our model 100% in yet and if they're doing that, it gives us weight to consider trying something - a benefit of us not locking our model in earlier). It's a constant balancing act ultimately to weigh up costs for it, but the reason it costs more is this stuff isn't cheap (translation of extra content, print cost for a nice book and in this case it is more of a book than anything + collector's packaging).
- NB on pricing: Keep in mind at SRP we're already 47% cheaper than the US SRP and a further 31% cheaper than the "current" pricing on TRSI and that's at SRP of £49.99 not including discounts.
- Model: You nailed it, we still do have wriggle room time if the AUS price is true - but do even close assuming $35 is pre discount you'd be looking at a barebones release from Day 1, which I'd be surprised if AoA would okay for anyone doing given risk of counter importation to the USA as that would be 44% cheaper than one part to own the whole show. We appreciate the reasonable discussion too as it's more swaying than other posts with people being mean about stuff
All in all - yes we care or we'd not have shaved 47% off our SRP from the US release to be £49.99 SRP. Secondly Collector's don't come cheap and that's what we do well there, we're sorry if it's not what everyone wants but we love the shows and we want to do right by them
- Re Australian price - Can someone link me to where it was announced? I literally cannot see anywhere announcing $35 AUD a set here - on Madman.com.au, JBHIFI or EZYDVD so am curious where this came from
If there is an option to maintain our new fixed window for standard editions though that means you'd have one within 2017 though assuming the Madman piece is true, which is pretty good news all round (I'll hold my breath until proven though).
To be honest, I think people are conflicted. It seems if they could have it cheaply, they'd have it cheaply. But if it has to be expensive, they want everything.
But the price comes from Madman's b2b site, which "announces" all their titles, and is AUD $34.95 RRP, but still split in two parts.
Cheers! That's what I was looking for but for some reason it didn't flag up
. It's a catch-22 really as at that price it's just not possible to do anything but an Amaray which this show deserves way more than but at least if that's the price we have some wriggle room to work within assuming it's been validated (often if it sits on B2B but not retail, it potentially is still subject to change).
In the worst case if it is validated publicly then you're looking at a standard within the year though so that's a positive for those that want it at that
. For those who want more though, keep in mind the AL store deal is yet to come .Best,
Andrew
PilibO
School Idol
@anime_andrew First off, happy new year and thanks for bringing beautiful releases to the UK. I was just wondering if a date/price has been locked for the MSG film trilogy?
thedoctor2016
Mushi-shi
Interesting that France has a SE for Alice and Hana (The discs EN support is broke so dont get it) But I was wondering why we dont have one?
https://www.amazon.fr/Hana-Alice-mè...qid=1483273896&sr=8-1&keywords=alice+and+Hana
https://www.amazon.fr/Hana-Alice-mè...qid=1483273896&sr=8-1&keywords=alice+and+Hana
NoSurprises
Hunter
Considering there's a glorious collectors edition at only a few pounds more on the AL store (£19.99 as of posting, the french SE works out at about £17), I don't think I'll be questioning this one. (Plus I love the film so I'd have opted for the fancy edition anyway!).
But I am also a little interested to know about films like Fuse, that only have a collectors edition out at the moment, will they be getting a SE at some point?
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Jaysgba
Combat Butler
I'll probably be going for whichever standard edition releases first, unless there's an Early Bird on AL's store which is good enough. If I had the cash, I'd rather go for AOA's release for the soundtrack though.
Mangaranga
Za Warudo
I'm still torn on which edition to get. US release has the OST, Manga and most importantly for me, the Japanese video files.
UK release will be cheaper and have a bigger booklet, but loses out in the OST, Manga and Video department. If some sort of wizardry could be arranged like it appears to have been for Your Lie in April and Baccano whereby we get the same masters it'd make buying the UK release a no brainer for me...
Between the tanking of the sterling, the strong dollar and a string of DVD only titles popping up on Madman's line up, I get the impression that Aniplex are going to become even more strict and difficult to deal with over this coming year though.
thedoctor2016
Mushi-shi
Well Madman tried to do a complete Charlotte in Feb it is now a 2 part release starting in April so its already happened imo
Basically just demand - in France we did a good theatrical with attendance in the region of what One Piece Gold did in France actually, so the sales for it on homevideo are huge too inc a dub. For the UK - it's sadly a tougher sell and theatrical wasn't an option at the time (sadly) along with no dub so it's a Collector's BD/DVD and DVD standard for now just to cater to less demand (aka the number we'd sell of the two SKUs separately don't make for a good proposition and believe it or not, the SE sells less than the CE for this kind of product).
This is a good point and yes we'll be doing SE's - it's just on a slightly longer delay but expect to see standards of films like that and Psychic School Wars soon
.Best,
Andrew