Sy said:Ryo I thought we were talking about Moé, not lolicon. Unless they're the same thing though I don't think so. :? It seems that what moé actually means is a personal definition since everyone seems to have their own ideas of it.
nope they're completly diffent, just most people seem to think they are the same
I found a Miyazaki quote that was quite interesting
It's difficult. They immediately become the subjects of lolicon fetishism. In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible. But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict (such heroines) as if they just want (such girls) as pets, and things are escalating more and more
but to quote wiki
Moe (萌え, Moe? /mo'e/, pronounced "mo-eh" literally "budding", as with a plant) is a Japanese slang word originally referring to fetish for or love for characters in video games or anime and manga. For example, 眼鏡っ娘萌え, meganekko-moe, "glasses-girl moe", describes a person who is attracted to fictional characters with eyeglasses. The term has come to be used as a general term for a hobby, enthusiasm, or fetish (non-sexual). For instance, 鉄道萌え, tetsudō-moe, "train moe", is simply a passionate interest in trains.
So surely a Moe fan is just like an Otaku but finds a certain charater rather than the show enjoyable to watch (might i add in a none sexual kind of way)
Edit: and i'm not saying at all that every anti-moe person does think of the gender the way i said it, but there are definatly individuals here (and indeed on every forum) who do.