Tottenham riot

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
The voices of the unheard? The senseless acts of mad criminals? What's your opinion of what went down last night?

Personally I think this was probably a long time coming and probably just as much to do with decades of mistreatment by the London police and distrust of them, the recent event being the trigger which finally set things over the edge. I can't say I agree with the violence and looting but this is a clear demonstration of the rift in our society which has never been patched up like some will tell you, and has probably only got worse. I just hope this doesn't get marketed as a "black race riot",what we should be trying to understand is the sociological causes behind it.
 

Soubi-Hurt

Student Council President
WEll Racial tensons in the UK and across europe are getting frayed. But Tottenham has always been a rather nasty place to be at anytime of the day.
I imagine that some residents probberly look for an excuse for this kind of behaviour.
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
Soubi-Hurt said:
WEll Racial tensons in the UK and across europe are getting frayed. But Tottenham has always been a rather nasty place to be at anytime of the day.
I imagine that some residents probberly look for an excuse for this kind of behaviour.

Sorry but I think thats untrue.
First of all this isn't necessarily a race thing, as you could see from the footage it wasn't just the afro-Caribbean community rioting, it was all creeds. Yes there have been specific problems with the way British Caribbean people have been mistreated and abused by the police over the decades, which does relate to this riot. But still this wasn't specifically a race thing it was all creeds.

As for Tottenham being a nasty place at any time of the day, I think that's a bit over the top. I think that's just the image the media feeds to people unfamiliar to the area. Yes its not the nicest place in London and it has its problems, but its not like your going to get stabbed or shot just for going down to Tottenham, and it has its good points too.

As for "the residents just looking for an excuse", I don't believe that for a second, these things don't just happen from no where you know. You have to look at the factors that have created this problem

edit: Sorry I just re read your post and I realized you said "some residents". Yeah there probably where some that just took the opportunity to loot, but I don't think that's all this was.
 

Chaz

Chuunibyou
TBH, I just want to give these people a good broken nose. I dont care the reason or what, they're making a terrible issue when we are in a pretty tight situation in the global scale of things. Some of those buildings belonged to peaceful residents, and they have stood since the 2nd world war. What the hell is good about setting buildings on fire, when there is no actual target set (as there are many places where fires had erupted from petrol bombs and such).

This will affect a number of things:
A) The local economy, to pay for the damages and the compensation/relief to the victims of these riots. Also, what about the reputation in that area? Most small shops may not get good business for a time, and that can effect their survival.

B) The Olympics - Just like there were major issues with India and the stadium's state (amongst other flaws), no-one's going to feel safe if the locals are seen as drunken, arrogant and violent. This is a very poor time to be acting like this.

C) Community - If this is going to happen once, why would it not happen another time? This could be the tip of the iceberg, and we all know how tedious or easily-provoked people can be. We had student demonstrations cropping up throughout the start of the year (most were on average okay, with the odd idiots). And this will only make the distrust in the locals more paranoid.

I dont mind protests, some I support with depending on circumstances and the process it's done in. But this riot... This is an extreme that's unwelcomed in my view. It cant be a "Black race riot" as there were A.Caribbeans on the news who had lost out too.
B) The
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
Absolutely, I completely agree. I just think we also need to carefully consider the factors that created this situation. People aren't just angry for no reason.
 
As a (former, thankfully) Londoner myself I'm absolutely disgusted by the behaviour we saw last night. I'm fully supportive of peaceful protest, and I can to an extent understand the frustration and anger many people feel towards the police, but yesterday's thuggery, thievery, and wanton destruction is utterly inexcusable. There are people in that community who will no longer have jobs because their place of work has been reduced to a pile of ash.

You can try to understand these people all you like, and you bend over backwards to help them, but frankly speaking there is a core of deeply unpleasant individuals inhabiting our inner cities who will use any excuse to cause trouble, and last night we saw the worst of them.
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
My heart really does go out to all the peoples who lost their homes and workplaces due to this

If we don't understand the social factors that create such awful situations, how can we hope to end them?

The individuals involved in the riot are not born deeply unpleasant, there are reasons why they are that way. If we can't consider these problems how can we stop it from happening again?
 

ayase

State Alchemist
I'm fully supportive of just smashing **** up for any or no reason, because frankly society has come to the end of the line anyway and I just don't care. Let's burn it all down and dance in the ruins.
 
vashdaman said:
If we can't consider these problems how can we stop it from happening again?
I don't know. It seems to me that young people are growing up in places where education is perceived as having no value and where the only successful people they know are criminals. It's not a healthy environment. But governments and organisations and charities will have been looking at the root causes of these problems for decades, engaging young people, and things aren't getting any better. And with Tory cuts to youth services, we can expect more of this in the future.
 

Yagami

Vampire Ninja
If your intention is to show that police and politicians are unreasonable, bad people who treat you unfairly and you're better than them, then it's probably best not to prove that by becoming a criminal yourself by mindlessly burning buildings, looting, and endangering everyone as these sorts of acts can't really ever be justified..
 

ayase

State Alchemist
fabricatedlunatic said:
It's not a healthy environment. But governments and organisations and charities will have been looking at the root causes of these problems for decades, engaging young people, and things aren't getting any better.
The root cause is lack of working class jobs, and we have Thatcher to blame for that. The town in the North East I come from, which I happen to have visited today, is evidence enough of the degeneration of the working class into an underclass with no meaning in their lives whatsoever. Where once was a thriving industrial town with many independant shops now lies row after row of boarded up shops. The only thing left open is an off licence to fuel the now unemployed populace's refuge in alcoholism. These people aren't lazy, they aren't freeloaders. There are just no jobs for them. Working class people don't belong in offices and call centres because they (we? I straddle the line very uneasily between the two) don't have the middle class talent for being two faced and pretending we like people. They should be mining and welding, doing what they are good at and what they enjoy. This society needs to be destroyed so a new one can be built, because the people in charge for the last thirty years have presumed that everybody aspires to be an office jockey wage slave. Which they bloody well do not!

::inhales::

Sorry. Scargillian rant over. Visiting Teesside has this effect on me.
 

Soubi-Hurt

Student Council President
ayase said:
fabricatedlunatic said:
It's not a healthy environment. But governments and organisations and charities will have been looking at the root causes of these problems for decades, engaging young people, and things aren't getting any better.
The root cause is lack of working class jobs, and we have Thatcher to blame for that. The town in the North East I come from, which I happen to have visited today, is evidence enough of the degeneration of the working class into an underclass with no meaning in their lives whatsoever. Where once was a thriving industrial town with many independant shops now lies row after row of boarded up shops. The only thing left open is an off licence to fuel the now unemployed populace's refuge in alcoholism. These people aren't lazy, they aren't freeloaders. There are just no jobs for them. Working class people don't belong in offices and call centres because they (we? I straddle the line very uneasily between the two) don't have the middle class talent for being two faced and pretending we like people. They should be mining and welding, doing what they are good at and what they enjoy. This society needs to be destroyed so a new one can be built, because the people in charge for the last thirty years have presumed that everybody aspires to be an office jockey wage slave. Which they bloody well do not!

::inhales::

Sorry. Scargillian rant over. Visiting Teesside has this effect on me.

I aggree with you mostly but pretty much nearly every post war leader needs their arses kicked for turning Our once beloved Nation to another third world hole through multicuturisum and uncontrolled immagration constally told it's good by marxist media groups who call anyone who is against it as a racist and i see that that tactic of calling people racist simply becasue they dissagree with them no longer works.

WE need propper jobs but all the manufacting jobs in that were in this once glorius nation have been to china for the cheap slave labour.

The reason no one values education anymore is because our education system has no value anymore, it's not to educate it's to indocunate us into thinking the marxist way.

You can't blame all of Britains ills on Lady Thatcher, ok she made some mistakes but if you examine the things she did you'll learn you'll that they were problems created before she became Prime minister she fixed them, now britain gagging for someone as strong as her to be leader.

(Daily mailish rant over as you'll compare me to it i bet)
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Erm, there's nothing remotely Marxist about globalisation, the British media or political establishment. They have taken the principals of socialism but and apply them only to protect the wealthy and powerful (bank bailouts, subisidy of large private companies) whilst constantly screwing over the working class, and now they are moving on the middle class as well. They care only about increasing their own power and weath at the expense of anyone beneath them, and are the very antithesis of Marxism.
 

memorium

Za Warudo
Soubi-Hurt said:
ayase said:
fabricatedlunatic said:
It's not a healthy environment. But governments and organisations and charities will have been looking at the root causes of these problems for decades, engaging young people, and things aren't getting any better.
The root cause is lack of working class jobs, and we have Thatcher to blame for that. The town in the North East I come from, which I happen to have visited today, is evidence enough of the degeneration of the working class into an underclass with no meaning in their lives whatsoever. Where once was a thriving industrial town with many independant shops now lies row after row of boarded up shops. The only thing left open is an off licence to fuel the now unemployed populace's refuge in alcoholism. These people aren't lazy, they aren't freeloaders. There are just no jobs for them. Working class people don't belong in offices and call centres because they (we? I straddle the line very uneasily between the two) don't have the middle class talent for being two faced and pretending we like people. They should be mining and welding, doing what they are good at and what they enjoy. This society needs to be destroyed so a new one can be built, because the people in charge for the last thirty years have presumed that everybody aspires to be an office jockey wage slave. Which they bloody well do not!

::inhales::

Sorry. Scargillian rant over. Visiting Teesside has this effect on me.

I aggree with you mostly but pretty much nearly every post war leader needs their arses kicked for turning Our once beloved Nation to another third world hole through multicuturisum and uncontrolled immagration constally told it's good by marxist media groups who call anyone who is against it as a racist and i see that that tactic of calling people racist simply becasue they dissagree with them no longer works.

WE need propper jobs but all the manufacting jobs in that were in this once glorius nation have been to china for the cheap slave labour.

The reason no one values education anymore is because our education system has no value anymore, it's not to educate it's to indocunate us into thinking the marxist way.

You can't blame all of Britains ills on Lady Thatcher, ok she made some mistakes but if you examine the things she did you'll learn you'll that they were problems created before she became Prime minister she fixed them, now britain gagging for someone as strong as her to be leader.

(Daily mailish rant over as you'll compare me to it i bet)
Multiculturalism and Immigration have little to do with jobs availiable, most immigrants aren't illegal like the bigotted newspapers would like you to believe, a majority of them come from the EU and have every right to be here according to EU regulations, not only that but the reason why employers are more inclined to employ them over us is because they have, in general, a far stronger work ethic, Britons in general are soft, complacent and take everything for granted, instead, it's the various governments we've had who haven't and aren't putting enough R&D money into generating jobs and industry instead of defence that's costing us (the only nation to spend more R&D on defence than us is the U.S., all our European competitors spend very little in comparison), in truth, since the second world war, we've been on a slow downward spiral in comparison to our neighbours, despite our standard of livivng rising, also, education indoctrinating Marxist values? Don't make me laugh, it teaches mainly usesless things yes, (and it definitely needs to be reformed if we're going to give people skills) but having a political agenda? I'm sorry, but you're misinformed.

Also the reason that we import most of our labour to China is because we have a high cost of living, who weants to buy something from Britain when they can get it somewhere else cheaper? Basic economics so unless the UK's standard of lving goes right down the shitter and we can afford to sell things cheaper or if someone invests a large amount into providing something that no other country can offer, we're ****** in that regard.
 

Zin5ki

Railgun
ayase said:
Let's burn it all down and dance in the ruins.
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Mutsumi

Guild Member
Soubi-Hurt said:
ayase said:
fabricatedlunatic said:
It's not a healthy environment. But governments and organisations and charities will have been looking at the root causes of these problems for decades, engaging young people, and things aren't getting any better.
The root cause is lack of working class jobs, and we have Thatcher to blame for that. The town in the North East I come from, which I happen to have visited today, is evidence enough of the degeneration of the working class into an underclass with no meaning in their lives whatsoever. Where once was a thriving industrial town with many independant shops now lies row after row of boarded up shops. The only thing left open is an off licence to fuel the now unemployed populace's refuge in alcoholism. These people aren't lazy, they aren't freeloaders. There are just no jobs for them. Working class people don't belong in offices and call centres because they (we? I straddle the line very uneasily between the two) don't have the middle class talent for being two faced and pretending we like people. They should be mining and welding, doing what they are good at and what they enjoy. This society needs to be destroyed so a new one can be built, because the people in charge for the last thirty years have presumed that everybody aspires to be an office jockey wage slave. Which they bloody well do not!

::inhales::

Sorry. Scargillian rant over. Visiting Teesside has this effect on me.

I aggree with you mostly but pretty much nearly every post war leader needs their arses kicked for turning Our once beloved Nation to another third world hole through multicuturisum and uncontrolled immagration constally told it's good by marxist media groups who call anyone who is against it as a racist and i see that that tactic of calling people racist simply becasue they dissagree with them no longer works.

WE need propper jobs but all the manufacting jobs in that were in this once glorius nation have been to china for the cheap slave labour.

The reason no one values education anymore is because our education system has no value anymore, it's not to educate it's to indocunate us into thinking the marxist way.

Nice collection of tinfoil hats you have there. ^^; Perhaps you should learn a little about the subject you wish to lie about before you try again, yes?



Regarding the riots, it does seem very much to be an mix of two groups, an angry yet otherwise peaceful group who dislike the fact some criminal got what was coming to him, and a bunch of worthless criminals who seek to commit crime using the protest and unruly mob as a means to evade capture.
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
^
Although I think its a little early to be judging what the circumstances of the man's death were and whether he really "got what was coming to him" or not right now, especially as we are not in any position of true knowledge on that matter. Unless your talking about karma on a larger scale of course.

But what the heck, as much as I hate quoting that piece of **** newspaper The Guardian, here's a quote 'Bullet lodged in police radio was a police issue bullet, NOT fired by Mark Duggan'

*Shudder* This is hopefully the last time I quote that piece of **** Guardian again *Shudder*
 

ilmaestro

State Alchemist
Guy from another forum said:
Poundland in Edmonton Green got raided...Say no more.

As for KFC, if you look at the places hit, everything is ****** but Jerky's Grill and the chicken shops. Black people init?
looooooooooool
 
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