Too many Fan service type shows these day?

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Neferpitou

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Is there an unhealthy obsession in Anime industry now to just churn out more and more series just to titillate otakus. It seems when Anime should be trying to get better global reception through intelligent and high quality series, another Anime pops whose overriding selling point is boobies and panties shots. So in turn bring the public reception of Anime down and in turn gives people another reason to ridicule Anime in general.
 
I think Japan is pumping out a lot more anime with and without the excessive fanservice. The problem is that for the non-booty-obessed fans have to churn out the serious anime to the slapstick stuff.

The rep of anime may be spoilt by the fact that editors and reporters may go out and research the subject of "Japanese cartoons" and they may get a good selection of normal anime. Then, they will come to a selection of more "flashy" shows with more suggestive covers.
Or they may buy an anime that may seem like a horror, and it actually becomes a secondary genre to the ecchi.

All-inall, it's all up to:
1) how much anime (as a whole) is let loose.
2) what percentage of that is serious or excessive fanservice.
3) the public view of the shows (if they are completely snobby, they dont mind some service, or they hunger for it).
And for the importing countries - 4) is it accessable to the public?
 
When in a recession, companies turn more and more for the sure thing, and with an established otaku base in Japan, fan service will always serve to keep the business ticking over, until they can afford to be experimental again.
 
as far as i recall, only the Shounen shows have a form of ecchi in them, i have yet to see a Seinen or a Shoujo or a Joesei with such an element thrown into the mix

i guess it's kinda to satisfy horny 13 year old boys
 
When people think of anime many think fan service which is a shame really because there are a lot of really good non fan service anime out there. I've never been a big fan of fan service which can sometimes put me off an anime. I prefer more serious anime or jokey with good story but without being a fan service fest. A little fan service is ok depending on my mood as long as its not overwhelming the anime.

I have a few contradictions to that though :p
 
Ooh, one of my favourite rant topics, this.

The whole fan-service thing really does my head in. I mean, so many people recommended Full Metal Panic to me, even despite it looking like a bit of an average show, that I eventually picked it up. And what did I find?

I was a little disturbed at how the show had this kind of 'OC meets Gundam' vibe to it, which clearly is going to appeal to the younger viewers, and yet - how many panty shots and grab-the-boob jokes were there in this?

The whole fan-service thing is the only aspect of anime that I've ever really found over-the-top silly. Well, that and the infamous tentacle shenanigans. (But I avoid those shows like the plague!)
 
the only person i think that is overly excessive with the whole fan service thing is Ken Akamatsu

read Love Hina and you'll know what i mean :lol:
 
I think there's too much moe device being used in anime shows these days. In the early 21st century where there was being a more diversity in anime shows that where being developed and licensed, even in the UK, you would say have one or two characters that where considered moe. Now it seems like the device has taken a genre of it's own and produced shows like K-on, lucky star, Manabi straight, Strike Witches, Hidamari Sketch etc.

I'm not saying that some of these shows have a good plot, but it just seems like such a polar extreme. A good example was Natsu no Arashi, nearly every other comment was how fugly all the girls looked. Though the main male lead was an arse, no question about that
 
No, and no.

This question is like "too many Dan Brown books?" "Too many middle of the road FPSs?". They don't make them "just in case", they make them because the market is there for them.

I wouldn't watch The Departed and then say "yeah, but you know what, I saw they released another straight-to-DVD Jeanne Claude Van Damme film the other week, movies must have gone down the shitter".
 
And there's a comment which presupposes / perpetuates the notion that The Departed is in any way an enjoyable movie. ;)

(Yup. You guessed right. I hate it!)
 
Otaku-san said:
I think there's too much moe device being used in anime shows these days. In the early 21st century where there was being a more diversity in anime shows that where being developed and licensed, even in the UK, you would say have one or two characters that where considered moe. Now it seems like the device has taken a genre of it's own and produced shows like K-on, lucky star, Manabi straight, Strike Witches, Hidamari Sketch etc.

I'm not saying that some of these shows have a good plot, but it just seems like such a polar extreme. A good example was Natsu no Arashi, nearly every other comment was how fugly all the girls looked. Though the main male lead was an arse, no question about that
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We do have all the shows form 2005-07 that fell into a black hole here (ADV UK and Geneon USA dieing), that was when most of the "moe-crap" was.

"Moe-shows" as you speak of like k-on! are not fanservice, that contained none whatsoever, I believe it contained implied fanservice at best(/worst).

Fanservice refers to gratuetous (posibly partial)nudity/sex.

THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY FANSERVICE SHOWS at least not this past season, there were 3/4 (Seikon no Quaser,Ladies Vs Butlers, Weiss Survive R and Omamori Himari).

There doesn't need to be more. But it's not like they take resourses from other shows that much, they tend to be done by studios that do that kind of thing rather than the big ones that have the resources to do anything good.

The we need more other stuff than the "moe-trite", kids shows, and fanservice would be a better arguement. Which apears to be being partialy fullfilesd see expansion of the Noitamina timeslot (they're airing more generaly accessible seinen stuff).
 
You know, i'm not sure. I'm tempted to say there isn't actually. There has been a lot of shows that do have your nudity and such yes, but that in itself isn't enough to classify the show as ecchi/moe or even fanservice. Of course, obviously there is still a fair few lingering about from each season, but i still think the majority shows are not of the fanservice kind. I know what you mean though, there has been a fair few more about as of late, but i do think it's like Ilmaestro said, there is a market for them at present.
 
Dunno that I have really noticed as I tend not to really look at a serie until it gets licensed. Thus, I am still living in 2007 at the latest for the msot part. :p

IMO, fanservice and the such like are fine, but do require a good bit of the funniez, otherwise I often find it just a waste of time (e.g IkkiTousen, Agent Aika etc).
 
Reaper gI said:
Otaku-san said:
I think there's too much moe device being used in anime shows these days. In the early 21st century where there was being a more diversity in anime shows that where being developed and licensed, even in the UK, you would say have one or two characters that where considered moe. Now it seems like the device has taken a genre of it's own and produced shows like K-on, lucky star, Manabi straight, Strike Witches, Hidamari Sketch etc.

I'm not saying that some of these shows have a good plot, but it just seems like such a polar extreme. A good example was Natsu no Arashi, nearly every other comment was how fugly all the girls looked. Though the main male lead was an arse, no question about that
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"Moe-shows" as you speak of like k-on! are not fanservice, that contained none whatsoever, I believe it contained implied fanservice at best(/worst).
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Fanservice or not, doesn't mean these had any better a plot by pouring this "cute ********" into the shows. In any case I was seeing Dave's topic is wrong just like most his opinions
 
memorium said:
as far as i recall, only the Shounen shows have a form of ecchi in them, i have yet to see a Seinen or a Shoujo or a Joesei with such an element thrown into the mix

i guess it's kinda to satisfy horny 13 year old boys
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Well it was an Seinen show Evangelion which really kick started a lot of the ecchi we see in Anime today. Also it quite comment to see a lot of "boy love" in Joesei material and also don't forget pretty boys in Shoujo mangas which is form of fan service for female readers. Josei and shojo fan service is probably aren't as vulgar as shonen or senien would be but they still a cheap way to encourage popularity with a Manga.

memorium said:
the only person i think that is overly excessive with the whole fan service thing is Ken Akamatsu

read Love Hina and you'll know what i mean :lol:
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Look at his next work Negima and it another level of ecchi entirely. I really enjoyed the Negima anime series released by Manga but I won't touch Manga version after a brief view at the needless fan service the manga it has.

ilmaestro said:
No, and no.

This question is like "too many Dan Brown books?" "Too many middle of the road FPSs?". They don't make them "just in case", they make them because the market is there for them.

I wouldn't watch The Departed and then say "yeah, but you know what, I saw they released another straight-to-DVD Jeanne Claude Van Damme film the other week, movies must have gone down the shitter".
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But it could be short term gains for longer term losses. If they keep on producing the same type of shows who's only aims is to titillate it viewers. People will eventually get bored of it and their will be a loss of fans. Lets not forget Gundam was a new types of show that bombed when first released but now is major figure head of Anime today.

Otaku-san said:
Reaper gI said:
Otaku-san said:
I think there's too much moe device being used in anime shows these days. In the early 21st century where there was being a more diversity in anime shows that where being developed and licensed, even in the UK, you would say have one or two characters that where considered moe. Now it seems like the device has taken a genre of it's own and produced shows like K-on, lucky star, Manabi straight, Strike Witches, Hidamari Sketch etc.

I'm not saying that some of these shows have a good plot, but it just seems like such a polar extreme. A good example was Natsu no Arashi, nearly every other comment was how fugly all the girls looked. Though the main male lead was an arse, no question about that
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"Moe-shows" as you speak of like k-on! are not fanservice, that contained none whatsoever, I believe it contained implied fanservice at best(/worst).
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Fanservice or not, doesn't mean these had any better a plot by pouring this "cute ********" into the shows. In any case I was seeing Dave's topic is wrong just like most his opinions
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You make a great dictator Otaku, as your belief that if someone doesn't agree with your opinions they must be wrong :lol:.

Strike Witches one of the moe shows you have problem with, has a motif of "no panties" is clearly a fan service show if I ever saw one.

Moe I find is OK as long it's not overly sexual, not much a fan of it myself. But do find it incredibly creepy when do these Moe shows with heavy sexual undertones with cast of very young looking characters.
 
Normally I have no problem with a bit of fan service, occasionally when it's done right it can be pretty amusing. That said, as I'm getting older now and as the appeal of scantily clad animated school girls wanes it does bug me when I'm on look out for new titles and all I see are samey school comedies or shows centred around maids/cat girls...

I'm fine with fan service in moderation, but when variety and originality are wearing thin, with anime seemingly being made with no other intention than being 'a bit naughty' it does get slightly depressing.

The current anime season is unfortunately a fine example of this :(
 
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