Shonen Jump asking for illegal Manga scans to stop

[Lockon GN006]

Ok, If places like [Manga Hosting site] have to stop doing the weekly bleach, nar etc thats gonna blow, because like it would mean it would take forever to be able to catch up espesh at the rate we get the manga volumes we'd be like a year behind and all, if they released the manga volumes straight after x amount of chapters were released i suppose that wouldn't be too bad but even so, it's not like the online scanlations are killing manga, infact its the opposite, its bringing it to people all over the world and well in my experience anyone who reads nar, bleach etc online all buy the volumes when they come out, i have all the bleach, d.gray-man, naruto (well shippuuden manga) and soul eater and i probably wouldnt have them if i hadn't started reading them online, same case for my friends. and when you think that i've spent the best part of £400 worth of manga i am hardly killing the industry.

I think you're a little confused, the manga hosting site you mentioned doesn't translate the series, they just host the pages, so if Sheuisha does take down that site, you will still be able to read them, because Manga translating groups put the pages up elsewhere

i'm not confused, if they stop the scanlators then the scanlations obv wont make it up onto those manga sites.

 

[Ryo Chan]

can i just remind everyone, no mentioning scan group names or websites that host scans.

 

[ilmaestro]

Now Shonen jump with much stronger line up

No. Not even close. It has a more neo-shounen lineup, so yeah, if you're a girl then it's probably better.

One Piece GN sales clearly show its now much bigger series now than dragon ball with it having so many of Manga sales records now like

Or the alternative take is that it has less competition in the genre than DB, but more advertising. I'm not saying it won't be, but let's see how popular One Piece is fifteen years after it finishes serialization before we start proclaiming it as anything other than what it is atm.

but you can see why people going for online scan when the paper/print quality is like this normally:

But the scans looks even worse? Since they're, you know, scans of this low paper quality.

That's a good point, i didn't realise it was just on about the people putting up the japanese raws, although how are they getting hold of the pages before its release?

Out of the way book shops just start selling theirs as soon as they get them delivered afaik, since they're not concerned about release dates so much. I think they have to start sending stuff out early to certain areas just because of the sheer bulk that is involved in shipping so many copies of such a thick comic.

You do tend to get even earlier leaks of phone cam photos, likely from the people sorting/delivering it, I assume this is where the "spoilers" that some people get so excited about come from.

 

[Jaymii]

But the scans looks even worse? Since they're, you know, scans of this low paper quality.

There's image manipulation to make them look better.

 

[ilmaestro]

I've never seen a scan of an issue of Weekly Jump and thought "this is a better reading experience than having the paper in my hands".

edit: oh, I see, they make it "whiter". I can see how some people prefer that since it's more conventional. Of course, some people will prefer anything that is free and "convenient".

 

[Neferpitou]

Now Shonen jump with much stronger line up

No. Not even close. It has a more neo-shounen lineup, so yeah, if you're a girl then it's probably better.

It is a stronger line up as there so many series that are still ongoing with no end in sight and still popular. One piece (12+ years), Hunter X Hunter (11+ years), Naruto (9+ years), Bleach ( 8+ Years). It means nothing if you or I considered a line up of comic is better or not. If a series is still ongoing after such long time it must be doing something right and is still selling well.

I would personal rate One Piece over Dragon ball and Hunter X Hunter over the previous work Yu Yu Hakusho.

One Piece GN sales clearly show its now much bigger series now than dragon ball with it having so many of Manga sales records now like

Or the alternative take is that it has less competition in the genre than DB, but more advertising. I'm not saying it won't be, but let's see how popular One Piece is fifteen years after it finishes serialization before we start proclaiming it as anything other than what it is atm.

LOL! what competition did Dragon Ball have when it first came out at the time? Dragon Ball was a unique shonen series of its time. By the time anything came to challenge it was already too huge to catch up. There's loads of fighting shonen manga its up against these days with Naruto, Bleach, Hunter X Hunter, Reborn! & Psyren in Shonen Jump alone. Also D Gray Man, Claymore, Fairytail & Fullmetal Alchemist, Air Gears, History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi and Negima in other magazines. When Dragon Ball was big there was little to no way to find illegal manga scans online. One Piece still gets new manga record after record when there are less legal readers and its against free illegal scans. That is testament of how big manga it is.

but you can see why people going for online scan when the paper/print quality is like this normally:

But the scans looks even worse? Since they're, you know, scans of this low paper quality.

With shop price of 250 yen and 400 pages of A4 each week, the paper quality aren't going to be great and nowhere near the volumes releases paper quality. These anthology magazine are treated like newspaper once read a lot of the time are just thrown away, so there little point in better quality as it disposable media item.

Also notice the black ink work aren't solid either which will gets touched up with scanilation is done along with anything other defects caused by the printing process.

 

[Rui]

That Jump scan is particularly horrible looking. As someone who has several dozen volumes of physical Jump in their house, I have to say that it looks better than that does. It's not actually possible to read a lot of the text on the page with that scan quality!

Funny how when companies use "image manipulation" to "improve" a paid product everyone goes nuts

(Funi's DBZ widescreen debacle springs to mind...)

Standards tend to magically be lower when the creators are not getting paid for peoples' enjoyment.

R

 

[ilmaestro]

edit: actually, you know what, I don't know why I bother replying seriously to randoms on the internet. Let's just say that anyone who thinks that Just Dance is a better game than Beyond Good and Evil is welcome to their opinion, but not to my time.

 

[Uppa]

LOL! what competition did Dragon Ball have when it first came out at the time? Dragon Ball was a unique shonen series of its time. By the time anything came to challenge it was already too huge to catch up.

I would have to say that Slam Dunk came admirably close, and I believe I've seen some polls over the years that would have you believe that Slam Dunk actually proved more popular.

It wasn't quite so black and white back then, though; it's easier to judge the most popular series after late 1999, given that the results have been published online following that period.

 

[Neferpitou]

That Jump scan is particularly horrible looking. As someone who has several dozen volumes of physical Jump in their house, I have to say that it looks better than that does. It's not actually possible to read a lot of the text on the page with that scan quality!

Funny how when companies use "image manipulation" to "improve" a paid product everyone goes nuts

(Funi's DBZ widescreen debacle springs to mind...)

Standards tend to magically be lower when the creators are not getting paid for peoples' enjoyment.

R

Fixing an scan of page manga and the edits on Dragon ball z are very different matters. Dragon ball Z going wide-screen meant the actual image was cut off and actually losing the image and changing the product greatly. A forced and needless change.

While scans have to be edited otherwise, they would just look awful and be not far from image above.

A good Scans generally looks better than any actual screen shots I have seen Shonen Jump as the colour are more solid and less faded. Also with it been computer image its always going to have sharper look to it than the cheap paper quality used in Shonen Jump.

LOL! what competition did Dragon Ball have when it first came out at the time? Dragon Ball was a unique shonen series of its time. By the time anything came to challenge it was already too huge to catch up.

I would have to say that Slam Dunk came admirably close, and I believe I've seen some polls over the years that would have you believe that Slam Dunk actually proved more popular.

It wasn't quite so black and white back then, though; it's easier to judge the most popular series after late 1999, given that the results have been published online following that period.

Slam dunk and dragon ball were two different types of Shonen Manga. As one was sport Manga while other revolved around fighting. So both Manga's appealed to different people so less chance for them to cut into each the other sales. So with Naruto & bleach being closer in style to One Piece it would effect One Piece Sales more so than Dragon ball & Slam Dunk Competing against each other.

I wouldn't take much notice of the popularity polls as they can lot of the time they can be very inaccurate. A good example this is the weekly poll in Shonen Jump to vote on ranking of populaity of manga series within.

Currently Hunter X Hunter Manga has been in the bottom 5 of Shonen Jump for something like the last 5 issues. But the last Hunter X Hunter volume sold 488,000 copies in Japan in its first week!

Which is more than the latests volume of bleach sold (It sold just above 400,000). Hunter X Hunter is easily still the 4th best selling manga Shonen Jump manga behind One Piece, Naruto & maybe Bleach.

The only true tester for actual popularity is the actual manga sales.

edit: actually, you know what, I don't know why I bother replying seriously to randoms on the internet. Let's just say that anyone who thinks that Just Dance is a better game than Beyond Good and Evil is welcome to their opinion, but not to my time.

LOL so why question it the first place then, if you have no conviction to debate it in the first place. If you are going to argue you should expect them to respond back.

The analogy you have came up with is quite poor. Dragon Ball & One Piece are both Shonen Manga, both Of the Fighting Genre, both from Shonen Jump and also there receptive leaders of the magazine. Also take into account The creator of One Piece was massive fan of Dragon ball and this has rubbed on to his work. So they can easily match against each other as they have a lot of similar ground, Position and fan base.

While the only thing Just Dance and Beyond Good and Evil all they have in common is that they are video games. It like comparing the films Bambi to the Exorcist, their nothing in common between them so impossible to make comparison.

The Strength of a line up comes down to sales not whether one particular fan like the line up or not.

 

[memorium]

actually, you can compare Bambi with The Exorcist because there's more differences, comparing looks at similarities and contrasts :wink:

 

[ilmaestro]

edit: actually, you know what, I don't know why I bother replying seriously to randoms on the internet. Let's just say that anyone who thinks that Just Dance is a better game than Beyond Good and Evil is welcome to their opinion, but not to my time.

LOL so why question it the first place

I forgot for a second how retarded it is to enter into these debates. The only thing more retarded would be typing up a long response after the other person has said "not interested". Oh...

 

[Otaku-san]

And viz are going to stop them How exactly? A few DMCA's here and there hmmm...Oh well looks like only downloading zip files from now on

 

[Jaymii]

Good to see your well informed on the situation, eh, Otaku.

 

[Neferpitou]

edit: actually, you know what, I don't know why I bother replying seriously to randoms on the internet. Let's just say that anyone who thinks that Just Dance is a better game than Beyond Good and Evil is welcome to their opinion, but not to my time.

LOL so why question it the first place

I forgot for a second how retarded it is to enter into these debates. The only thing more retarded would be typing up a long response after the other person has said "not interested". Oh...

It's your choice not to debate this but it's not very clever or brillant idea to make light of people with Mental retardation issue to use it as form of an insult.

actually, you can compare Bambi with The Exorcist because there's more differences, comparing looks at similarities and contrasts :wink:

I challenge you to write an good Essay on comparing the two and see how far you get

 

[ilmaestro]

It's your choice not to debate this but it's not very clever or brillant idea to make light of people with Mental retardation issue to use it as form of an insult.

Actually, I find it to be second only to casual racism when it comes to comedy value.

 

[Uppa]

The only true tester for actual popularity is the actual manga sales.

Interestingly, by that method, Slam Dunk could potentially have sold better than Dragonball in relation to how many volumes were published.

Dragonball's sales est. 160,000,000 - 42 volumes
Slam Dunk's sales est. 120,000,000 - 31 volumes.

http://comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923

That's looking at the upper-end of the figures, mind, and it's a rough guess.

I have to say, though, I don't think Naruto or One Piece sales are necessarily going to cut into the other--and that's certainly not the effect the publisher would desire--but I understand your argument.

Being a Hunter x Hunter fan (a lamentably old one), I had noticed the volume sales were higher than the respective release for Bleach--and was very pleased concerning that, too. However, it is still worth bearing in mind that the weekly results do often lend some indication as to what series are most popular.

 

[Neferpitou]

The only true tester for actual popularity is the actual manga sales.

Interestingly, by that method, Slam Dunk could potentially have sold better than Dragonball in relation to how many volumes were published.

Dragonball's sales est. 160,000,000 - 42 volumes
Slam Dunk's sales est. 120,000,000 - 31 volumes.

http://comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923

That's looking at the upper-end of the figures, mind, and it's a rough guess.

I have to say, though, I don't think Naruto or One Piece sales are necessarily going to cut into the other--and that's certainly not the effect the publisher would desire--but I understand your argument.

Being a Hunter x Hunter fan (a lamentably old one), I had noticed the volume sales were higher than the respective release for Bleach--and was very pleased concerning that, too. However, it is still worth bearing in mind that the weekly results do often lend some indication as to what series are most popular.

I have looked through that article quite a few times, it quite interesting one.

But you have to look at Dragon Ball overall appeal into other forms of media as well to see which is more popular work. As Slam Dunk even though very impress work it trails behind Dragon Ball. Be it Anime series, Video Games, Merchandise Dragon Ball has clearly had more of than Slam Dunk ever did.

Been Popular in magazine does not always translate into great Manga sales. As probably the next best selling series in Shonen jump is probably Gin Tama and that only gets half the first week Hunter X Hunter sales does.

Hunter X Hunter maybe still very popular it just probably nobody ever bothered to have there say. Just a guess that maybe Hunter X Hunter being more adult in tone not necessary in violence but intelligence it maybe not be as popular for the younger readers who I think would be more likely to vote.

I believe the voting system in Shonen Jump is used more to get the popularity of new upcoming series that have yet to established themselves through big volumes sales. To see if they are worth still printing in the magazine.

It maybe used on occasion on longer runner series to decided If they to be cancelled when it volumes sales hits rock bottom like shaman King did. With Shaman King last volumes where selling below 50,000 each in there first week.

With Hunter X Hunter selling near enough 10x that amount there no worries it ever be cancelled with those sales figures. At worse It may get moved to it sister Magazine Jump Square. As long Yoshihiro Togashi wants to carry on with it and still sell well enough it will carry on no matter if it finish bottom of Shonen Jump poll for next few years.

PS If you haven't been reading Hunter X Hunter for a bit, catch up! as the latest chapter love it or hate it was epic beyond words.

 

[ilmaestro]

edit: no, must resist.

 

[Uppa]

But you have to look at Dragon Ball overall appeal into other forms of media as well to see which is more popular work. As Slam Dunk even though very impress work it trails behind Dragon Ball. Be it Anime series, Video Games, Merchandise Dragon Ball has clearly had more of than Slam Dunk ever did.

This is what I'm getting at, here. HunterxHunter does possess strength in volume sales, but compared with Bleach or Gintama it doesn't have the vast arrays of merchandise that cement it as a series popular enough to peer them--and it is interesting to note that both Bleach and Gintama perform better in the polls (though no doubt their T.V. broadcasts have been instrumental in driving sales of other collectibles). The polls are not the be-all and end-all (Naruto was outperforming One Piece for a while recently, but the volume sales illustrate the disparity in relative strength) but they still paint an informative picture.

It is necessary, nevertheless, to cross-reference volume sales with other sources, though in the case of Dragonball versus Slam Dunk, a hefty amount of Dragonball merchandise may be a product of its international success, rather than its domestic superiority to Slam Dunk.