old vs new

Animefreak17

Animefreak17

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to the oldest to the newest
from black and white to CGI

animes been around for a very very long time and we've seen so many from
dragonball z to one piece
from cardcaptor and sailor moon to vampire knight
astro boy to gantz
we can agree that anime is as its always been ( kick ass)

but even tho new series are coming out every year and such, we cant forget the classics that got us in to anime

trigun
cowboy bepbop
the first generation of pokemon
dragonball z
ect

but even tho i like most new anime i do miss the old style of the animation e.g. trigun the animation has that classic spark that never ages.
the classics are the best but watching new anime Excites Me

whats your thoughts on this matter
 
I think both new and old are ok, we shouldn't forget that each decade has it's share of good and bad shows, I've grown cynical of romanticising past decades when it comes to anything music or art related.

Though personally I like the production quality, character designs and overall quality of the stories of 90's anime the most, mainly it's because that's what got me hooked onto the medium in the first place.
 
Trigun is probably the first show I would think of if someone asked me to give them an example of an anime that has aged terribly.

edit: oh, and anime gets better every year, because all that happens is you have more good shows to watch.
 
Lawrence said:
Basically, you're comparing hand painted work with digital works?

To be honest, older works are better because if it's 1080p, then it truely 1080p and not an upscale from 720p like Spice&Wolf for example.

I think I prefer newer works though, there are a lot of nice looking character designs these days, though the story isn't as strong at times.
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yes and character designs, music, background, story, ect
 
Lawrence said:
I think I prefer newer works though, there are a lot of nice looking character designs these days
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You cannot be serious. /McEnroe

Being serious though, we all have our preferences. But unless another one comes around, 1979-1995 is pretty much the golden age of anime for me. There have been some real gems since then of course, but I love the character designs of that period, everything was hand drawn and music was just better in the 80s in general. It's hard to pin down exactly what it is, but I tend to prefer the kind of stories that were being told then as well, especially in terms of science fiction (I still maintain that the fall of the Soviet Union had a disastrous effect on pretty much everything in the world because it changed the way people viewed the future - suddenly it seemed like a fairly safe, predictable and boring place).
 
I haven't watched much stuff from earlier than the 90s, so I guess I'd have to say newer myself; although even I've noticed a slight slide toward style genericism in the bigger shows in more recent shows, compared to the shows I've watched from the late 90s and early 00s.

Not always the case mind you; I guess computer technology has just made some things much easier to shortcut; and as long as writers still give us interesting storys amongst the generic carbon copies...then I can live with it.

I wasn't that keen on some of the more famous cult films like Akira actually either.
 
ilmaestro said:
Trigun is probably the first show I would think of if someone asked me to give them an example of an anime that has aged terribly.

edit: oh, and anime gets better every year, because all that happens is you have more good shows to watch.
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I've heard this said before but I find it hard to figure out why. I'm pretty unforgiving when it comes to animation quality, but I think Trigun still looks pretty good to me. It's not as crisp as newer work and suffers from using the same flashbacks WAY too much but that actual quality of animation looks alright to me.
 
alexrose1uk said:
I haven't watched much stuff from earlier than the 90s, so I guess I'd have to say newer myself; although even I've noticed a slight slide toward style genericism in the bigger shows in more recent shows, compared to the shows I've watched from the late 90s and early 00s.

Not always the case mind you; I guess computer technology has just made some things much easier to shortcut; and as long as writers still give us interesting storys amongst the generic carbon copies...then I can live with it.

I wasn't that keen on some of the more famous cult films like Akira actually either.
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akiras a good example, at the time it was first shown everyone was amazed and even tod this day everyone thinks its awesome
 
1970,s and 1980,s for me folks,all my faves movies and series are from those two decades,i do not care how good a show or movie actually looks its all about the story for me,thats not to say i dont like modern anime of course i do but i live and breath for the old school. :D
 
Pretty much all of my favourite anime is post 2000 with the main exceptions of Trigun, Akira, GITS and Perfect Blue, more because the more I delve into older anime, the more dross I come up with, which I should clarify is an issue with localisation rather than the industry. English speaking companies seemed to mostly license the trashier animes from the era when anime was just sex and violence, with stuff like MD Geist and Vampire Hunter D which I really don't think would hold up well, even if the visuals weren't so poorly animated.
 
Doraemon666 said:
animefreak17 said:
i like oldies too but i like new ones too
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yeah there is good and bad in all era,s of anime history and at the end of the day it is all down to personal opinion.
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totally there are people who love romance but i dont like romance
there are people who hate mechs but i love mechs

it also like there are people who like the gundam seed series but i hate the gundam seed series but i like gundam wing
 
If this was asked several years ago I would definitely say I prefer older-style works, but thankfully with the pace of improvement in computer-aided animation, we've got to the stage where things are looking fantastic again. I think both periods have a lot to offer.

The early days of more modern animation were really wobbly, and it did turn me off quite badly. The spectre of dodgy CG clips lasted for years too, but now if anything I'd say that average animation quality is much higher than in the old days (cheaper series can do more, it seems, with less?). There's something profoundly beautiful about older, cel-filmed works and some kinds of series just don't seem to exist any more, but on the other hand you have gorgeous stuff like Gundam Unicorn which fuses the retro aesthetic with modern techniques. Gorgeously.

The industry has definitely been less experimental overall in terms of content lately, but I think that's at least in part due to the economic side of things being difficult. Fortunately they still manage to release a lot of stuff I like in spite of this so I'm not worried at all, other than for my bank balance.

One thing the anime series of the past felt like they did better than now was character songs. The actual soundtracks are fine, just as high quality as ever, but it feels that now only the very, very popular shows go overboard with character songs and image albums. I quite liked collecting that kind of thing! The quality was always extremely variable but it was good fun to hear them. I'd like to see more exploration of that side of things in future, rather than just leaving it to the massive hits (or series which are actually about musicians).

I sort of miss the large number of dedicated anison we had as themes in the older days too, but on the other hand most of the modern pop music tracks are well chosen and enjoyable too, so I can't complain there.

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Appropriately enough, the next podcast episode runs along very similar lines to this. Unfortunately, it's not ready for release yet...

Personally, I think it's all down to preference for genre and certain types of storytelling. Each era has its own trends and tends to see more production of anime that reflects that. Hence why I think you see such numbers of hard sci-fi and mecha fans who prefer the '80s, fantasy fans who prefer the '90s and so on.

If I had to play favourites, I'd inevitably go for that mid-eighties into early-nineties period when the Japanese economy was riding high and OAV production was booming. The money thrown at even the most ridiculous of small projects makes it fascinating, if you're into tracking down obscure one-shots.

Equally though, I'm glad to be in the present where we have the technology to allow even modestly budgeted shows to look good, and minority-interest slots like noitaminA to air the kind of artsy nonsense that keeps the medium fresh.
 
Hmmm, judging from those pics you posted AF, I'd defo pick the oldie, that Afro is waaay awesome!

I hard for me to say to be honest as I feel I have a lot more access to anime now then I did in the nineties, so am able to watch a lot more than I used to now and I haven't gone back and dug up a huge amount of older shows since. In terms of artwork I do honestly prefer the non HD hand drawn beauties we used to get back then, and despite what Illmae said I'd still take Trigun over the latest flashy and slick but kinda soulless looking shows we seem to get a lot nowadays. Although I guess it is also true that stylistically much anime seems to be looking very much like one another more so then ever now. But I guess it's a mixed bag, on the con side its sometimes hard to see past the fairly distressing amount of fan service and questionable sexualization that seems to shroud even some otherwise worthwhile shows like a fog,also I'm rarely a fan of the 3D integrated with 2D look that's popular now, and as mentioned there seems to be less experimentation. But on the flip side some of my favorite anime has been released in recent years, such as Redline, Eden, Moribito, Champloo,ect.

Equally though, I'm glad to be in the present where we have the technology to allow even modestly budgeted shows to look good, and minority-interest slots like noitaminA to air the kind of artsy nonsense that keeps the medium fresh.
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To be honest I don't think I'd really call noitaminA's stuff "artsy" from what I've seen. I'd say it's just reasonable, relatively mature stuff, maybe a little more left field and female oriented. But I'd just call it a little more mature as female oriented anime probably just means no ridiculous breastage and little girl panties on display, apparently Eden was "female oriented" but I'd say that was just neutral to be honest. Not very much genuinely artsy anime seem to get made (that I am aware of anyway) aside from shorts.
 
Yeah, maybe artsy isn't the word - I was kind of honing in on the likes of Mononoke and The Tatami Galaxy. I'd definitely consider it left of field though and I think, even if it has been a bit more conventional of late, it's still a fantastic leap forward that we can have such a regular slot for series that might otherwise not have made it to air.
 
Don't think I've seen either of those yet, but they are surely on my list now. I defo agree though, I think some of the best new anime has come from that slot.
 
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