New complete series sets from ADV?
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CitizenGeek
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Can someone explain an M-Lock case for me, please? ^_^
Well, the Evangelion tin I got was awesome! And the individual volumes of the Eva platnium series look great too. Most of their DVD releases have nice boxart, decent extras and a booklet or poster. Many have interchangable covers. I think ADV do a much better job with their releases than Manga Ent. or Beez anyway.
DaNiMe said:
Well, the Evangelion tin I got was awesome! And the individual volumes of the Eva platnium series look great too. Most of their DVD releases have nice boxart, decent extras and a booklet or poster. Many have interchangable covers. I think ADV do a much better job with their releases than Manga Ent. or Beez anyway.
Jayme said:
Actually the limit is six (two flaps with discs on both sides and a disc on each side of the case). How ADV will handle seven disc series I have no idea.
Citizengeek: M locks are double width standard dvd cases designed to hold anywhere between 3 to 6 discs. They're named after the hub, which looks like this.
As for the prices of these things, they're not that bad. They're cheaper than Beez's sets (check if you don't believe me). Yes, they're more expensive than the norm, and yes they're not thinpacks (but then ADVs R1 thinpacks are only cheap because of the 2:1 exchange rate and because they don't contain the extras, which in the case of Chrono Crusade is a problem). Yes, thinpacks would be better, but personally I like m-locks too. Besides, the prices of these sets are the same as the retail price of the Doctor Who season sets, and are actually only £10 more expensive than the RRP for a full season of Lost. The real problem is that anime boxsets rarely get put in sales.
Conan-san: Where the hell have you been? There's a sales thread stuck to the top of this forum, mentioning lots of places where you can get anime for far less than £9.
CitizenGeek said:
Sorry, I meant the boxset releases only. The NGE Platinum collection was an exception to this however. I have to agree with the single releases, they're very classy indeed.
Also, the point I'm trying to get across with saying my view that M-lock cases are 'crap' is because ADV are giving us something far inferior to releases in every other part of the world... The irony of it is that ADV Germany put out proper artboxes, and that was created a few years after ADV UK, and in my opinion that's not acceptable; I don't care how much bigger the European fanbase is than the UK, ADV UK could show a little respect to its 'buyers', like all the other UK distributors are doing.
I've spent at least £500 on ADV UK titles in the past years, and I'm fed up that they're still not doing 'normal' releases in the form of artboxes, it's just not on.
I have some M-lock releases of American series that have 7 disks.
M-locks are only crap at the prices they're trying to sell them at. I prefer buying M-lock sets. To make these sets look nicer though they Could give them slip cases like (not an anime example) the X-files or Millennium releases have. M-lock cases in a slipcase. Looks nice.
M-locks are only crap at the prices they're trying to sell them at. I prefer buying M-lock sets. To make these sets look nicer though they Could give them slip cases like (not an anime example) the X-files or Millennium releases have. M-lock cases in a slipcase. Looks nice.
I think a really good example of how these collections should be priced, can be seen from 'The Twelve Kingdoms' sets... there's the premium collection for $100 each, that's a good £50 for a really amazingly nice looking artbox, holding a 6 sided digipak, so that's about the same price as MVMs collections (that apparently are thinpaks). Then there are the economy sets, each retailing at $50, so that's £25. That's a perfectly priced collection in my opinion, selling the sets for any more isn't right, and that's what ADV UK are doing.
Note: The economy sets are 'bricks' i.e. M-lock, but these can be either with the 'flaps' inside a fat DVD case, or an open out case with the DVDs placed on each side (which can hold up to 3 discs).
Note: The economy sets are 'bricks' i.e. M-lock, but these can be either with the 'flaps' inside a fat DVD case, or an open out case with the DVDs placed on each side (which can hold up to 3 discs).
Bandai in the US have the right idea with thier m-lock sets. I don't think i've had to pay more than £15 a set for Planetes, Escafowne or Outlaw Star and even though Wolf's Rain was cut into 2 sets they were no more than £10 each.
Now I realise that that's the US and anime is more readily available over there but even with a £10 markup on those prices it's still a good deal for what you get. ADV need to take a risk.
Now I realise that that's the US and anime is more readily available over there but even with a £10 markup on those prices it's still a good deal for what you get. ADV need to take a risk.
WTFDaveMustaine said:
Let's not forget that DVDs retail for £20 over here, so when talking about box set prices we have to use that as a base line. Secondly, the exchange rate is 2:1, I cannot emphasise enough how exceptional that is and consequently how ridiculously cheap everything in R1 is as a consequence. If the anime companies or anyone else tried to compete with american imports on price at the current exchange rate they'd be bankrupt within weeks. As a result any comparisons with R1 are invalid. What the anime companies should be doing is following the examples of Manga and MVM box set releases. ADV and Beez are not doing that and are overcharging as a result, this is particularly true of Beez. UK box sets should not be competing on price with R1s, that's impossible, what they should be doing is competing on price with live action TV series and currently Beez in particular are simply not doing that. ADV are 'only' charging by £5 (for 13 eps) or £10 (for 26 eps) in that regard.
Having said all that, your suggested pricing scheme for box sets does work if you assume that anime DVDs should cost £16. (which they should, as Revelation have proven). If you make that assumption then your scheme would result in box sets priced proportionately to the prices Bandai charges.
Finally, I can't imagine it would ever be profitable and release two box sets for a series like Media Blasters, the UK anime is simply too small, the likes of Eva aside. Don't forget the UK's population is 1/5 that of R1, but costs are where near 1/5 lower.
Noratav said:
The RRP of R1 releases is $30, Revelation's RRP is £15, as you have said, so I don't understand why you say it's impossible to have a 2:1 ratio of prices... It's the R1 boxsets where I see the problems.. Geneon's Samurai Champloo boxset is $200. I think it's because our currency is err how to put it.. smaller.. the discount on $200 is a lot more than £100, although thinking about that, that makes no sense because the discount will be the same.. That seems to be an exception though, other boxsets are much more reasonably priced.
I've confused myself somewhat here, but I don't want to delete this post so I'll just post it anyway.
DaNiMe said:
Revelation's RRP is £16 not £15, which is a ratio of 1.875:1 not 2:1. Secondly, online discounts in the UK are a lot less than the discounts US online stores offer. Hence, why the UK companies can't hope to compete.
As for Geneon's Samurai Champloo boxset, ignore it. It's a premium box set (a la ADV's Eva Platinum collection), so normal box set rules don't apply, and it's not something that we'd ever see MVM doing over here. Bandai's pricing scheme certainly doesn't apply here anyway, because it's priced to be comparable to the cost of buying each volume indiviually at full price.
Different distributors charge different prices. Don't forget that Revelation's prices are lower across the board, hence why the GSG collection is so cheap. Secondly Elfen Lied is exceptionally expensive even by ADV standards (or anybody else's). I mean it's the same price as Manga's forthcoming Noein box set, and more expensive than a season of GitS:SAC.
An interesting note to the complaints about ADV's prices. ADV are planning to release a R1 version of last years Eva Platinum Collection. The price? $129.99. That's £65.
An interesting note to the complaints about ADV's prices. ADV are planning to release a R1 version of last years Eva Platinum Collection. The price? $129.99. That's £65.
ConanThe3rd
Railgun
Gunslinger @ 24? Be right back.Blade678 said:
hopeful_monster
Thousand Master
Strange that everyone is kicking up a fuss about how we are getting ripped off in comparison to the US (and even more so compared to Australia where anew DVD rrp $30 = £12) . Feel sorry for the poor otaku in Japan. New DVD is 6,930 yen = £30, and they generally only get 2-3 episodes.
Aion
Time-Traveller
You can currently order Vol 1-4 of Elfen Lied for £5.99 each/£23.96 in total from HMV. Why bother with the crappy looking UK box set when you can get the series separately for that price??
Of course, you could also get the R1 box set for around £17 from DVD Pacific. The price difference after QuidCo isn't really worth the risk of the box set getting damaged/lost during the trip.
Of course, you could also get the R1 box set for around £17 from DVD Pacific. The price difference after QuidCo isn't really worth the risk of the box set getting damaged/lost during the trip.
Chrono Demon said:
Yes, quite dreadful to be honest.
R1 got first of all a beautiful shiny silver artbox with the individual DVD covers having a shiny finish to them as well. Along with a figure of one of the characters.
Then, along with that artbox being repackaged for a complete collection, sometime later can a thinpak boxset for it, again with stunning artwork.
Compared to our M-lock version, you can make your own decision on that ; ).
Aion said:
The chances of that happening are extremely small, even with the cheapest shipping option ; ). I would recommend DVD Pacific to anyone. What more proof do you need than the fact that I've had a 100% successful shippings for probably around just under a hundred items. Other people who have bought from them can say the same. : o
Aion
Time-Traveller
Aion said:
The chances of that happening are extremely small, even with the cheapest shipping option ; ). I would recommend DVD Pacific to anyone. What more proof do you need than the fact that I've had a 100% successful shippings for probably around just under a hundred items. Other people who have bought from them can say the same. : o[/quote]
Aside from my credit card details mysteriously being used by an American shortly after I ordered from them, I'm still annoyed over them marking down the value of my first order (£20-25 Chrno Crusade box set) and then not marking down my £45-50 Gungrave box set. Bastards.
Do they mark down the value of orders normally now, or is it still random?
Meh, I'd rather support HMV/UK anime when the difference in price is as small as it is with Elfen Lied anyway.