Leaders all agreed on TV live debate

Arbalest

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Now apparently Gordon Brown has finally agreed to the televised political debate along side Nick Clegg and Davd Cameron, and will do a series of three debates through Sky, ITV and BBC, whom are working together on this.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politi ... rs_Debates

Personally i'm interested to see how this'll pan out. Yes its been mentioned a fair bit as of late, but Brown never really answered anything on it with a straight answer, now we have one..i wonder how they will decide to approach the debates. Some part of me though does feel like this is just a complete idea copy from the US, but again..it might work out for the better. Thoughts?
 
Nixon / Kennedy debate anyone?

Brown shouldn't have agreed to this. It will be completely style over substance - and style will always win because the vast majority of people are gullible idiots who believe what they read in The Sun.

Even though I'm no fan of the way the Labour government went between 2001-2007, I don't think for one moment the Tories would have made any different or better decisions. Gordon Brown is a man with experience, substance and a plan to take this country forward. David Cameron is a empty-headed populist with no ideas who will utterly destroy our standing in the world (his party has already weakened any say Britain has in Europe by moving out of the main conservative block to ally with far-right dregs no-one else will associate with). But Brown is older, less good looking and has a less exciting style of speaking than Cameron. So he'll lose the debate, and the election.

Democracy is overrated.
 
Skills at arguing do not translate to skills at running the country. So much important work gets overlooked if it is not 'interesting'. Gordon Brown has actually done a lot of good things to combat the recession, & we'd be in a worse situation were it not for his actions, but the things he did were mundane though effective. David Cameron can put on a show, but if he were the one leading us through the recession we would be worse off now. Nick Clegg of the Lib Dems.....They'll never get into power anyway, but I'd rather see them in than the Conservatives.

I oppose glamourising politics. It should be about policy, not about who can argue better on TV. Furthermore the country is run by the cabinet, who are a collection of ministers, one for each main area. In this debate, only one man from each main party has to represent all the areas that his cabinet works for. All this TV debate will tell us is who can put on the best show, not who can run the country best.
 
Labour, since Tony Blair used to be in charge, is more right wing compared to what it originally used to be

so it doesn't matter who you vote, we're jsut gonna get some right-wing crap no one likes anyway, but i guess it's better than the far right dudes like BNP.

personally i should run for PM :wink:
 
@Ayase: I'm pretty much in agreement there, in fact, with the way Cameron is, i could see him making a decision or two worse than Brown has. I stand by what i say a fair bit, Brown may have done a fair bit wrong, but he deserves credit for standing his ground for so long. I also think that a change at this moment could damage things more than help it, more so if cameron was to take up the leadership, and if these debates do go his way, which i can see happening, then we may as well just hand him the leadership.
As usual though, Nick Clegg will get completely ignored, as Lib Dems just hasn't got the popularity at the moment, though again, they never really do. So in a way its a power fight between Cameron and Brown, and Brown better speak the same way he did in his speech a few days ago, otherwise he won't stand a chance.
 
Brown will humiliate himself
Cameron will say little and look smug
Clegg will be laughed at by the media

a debate that the media want...so they can ignore Clegg, lambast Brown and lick Camerons ass...anyone else thinking "whats the ******* point in this ****, we all know whats gonna happen"?
 
I agree with ayase that Gordon Brown is by far the more substantive candidate but I think it really doesn't matter by what degree Brown beats Cameron (and I have no doubt that Brown will best Cameron in these debates and I do not share ayase's belief that style trumps substance in politics), the untrustworthy Tories are going to win a landslide in the next election and the people of the UK will quickly tire of them, their lies and their harmful right-wing ideas and will elect a resugent Labour under (hopefully!) the charismastic and attractive David Milliband.
 
Mutsumi said:
What I particularly dislike about the Tories is how they have previously pledged to legalise the crime that is foxhunting.

I agree that they shouldn't legalise it again, but i doubt anything on that should, or rather would come up in the debates, since its not exactly of huge priority...i'm more interested in what they can do to deal with the current situation the country is in..if anything.

@CitizenGeek: In terms of Brown beating Cameron in the debates..i dunno. See the problem is, if he speaks in the way he tends to in parlament, there is probably more chance of him losing the debates, whereas if he can speak in the way he did at the labour conference, then yes, there is a chance he'll beat Cameron. The thing is though..can he get that confidence he had back? Since he will sure as hell need it.
 
Arbalest said:
Mutsumi said:
What I particularly dislike about the Tories is how they have previously pledged to legalise the crime that is foxhunting.

I agree that they shouldn't legalise it again, but i doubt anything on that should, or rather would come up in the debates, since its not exactly of huge priority...i'm more interested in what they can do to deal with the current situation the country is in..if anything.

@CitizenGeek: In terms of Brown beating Cameron in the debates..i dunno. See the problem is, if he speaks in the way he tends to in parlament, there is probably more chance of him losing the debates, whereas if he can speak in the way he did at the labour conference, then yes, there is a chance he'll beat Cameron. The thing is though..can he get that confidence he had back? Since he will sure as hell need it.

these debates will be little more than a chance for each candidate to spew spin and insults at each other...id be suprised if any "real" issues are raised, let alone answered
 
SundayMorningCall said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8289367.stm

seems like there gonna have to invite other party leaders too...

Er...SNP in a debate about who runs the parlament...in england? genius! except..he has no way of getting a position there..so he's a fool. Seriously, he does not need a place in it at all and to me, it only seems like he wants to interfere, he won't get more popularity for this in scotland i can assure ya..not like he is popular anyway.
 
Arbalest said:
SundayMorningCall said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8289367.stm

seems like there gonna have to invite other party leaders too...

Er...SNP in a debate about who runs the parlament...in england? genius! except..he has no way of getting a position there..so he's a fool. Seriously, he does not need a place in it at all and to me, it only seems like he wants to interfere, he won't get more popularity for this in scotland i can assure ya..not like he is popular anyway.

sure, but i doubt thats gonna stop them trying
 
CitizenGeek said:
I agree with ayase that Gordon Brown is by far the more substantive candidate but I think it really doesn't matter by what degree Brown beats Cameron (and I have no doubt that Brown will best Cameron in these debates and I do not share ayase's belief that style trumps substance in politics), the untrustworthy Tories are going to win a landslide in the next election and the people of the UK will quickly tire of them, their lies and their harmful right-wing ideas and will elect a resugent Labour under (hopefully!) the charismastic and attractive David Milliband.
Oh, Miliband will be the next Labour leader, no doubt about it. Especially since 'Baron' Mandelson (that is such a fitting title for the guy... he's a clever one alright, but Machiavellian along with it) is now back in the fold and it's no secret that he wanted Miliband to run for the leadership last time. I do actually welcome Mandleson's influence as at least it ensures a pro-European agenda (on a related note, glad to see that Ireland approved Lisbon this time around). :thumb:

I can't see Miliband being any more than another Blair though (ie: self-righteous wanna be messiah). Anything I've heard him say up until now gives that same impression of being totally up himself, a trait the UK now seems to want in our leaders (Cameron has the same vibe - We Want You Big Brother...). For him to succeed when Brown failed would seem like a pretty major triumph of style over substance to me...
 
There's one bloke who i respect in politics...and its for comical reasons,
BORIS JOHNSON.

Let him run, not only the capitol....but the bloody country, it'll be funny if nothing else. he'll just talk about bus's 24/7 8)

plus....he's a funny bloke, one of few who could write the following and THEN become mayor of london!

Johnson made the following comments about Islam in his Spectator column shortly after the 7 July bombings in 2005:

...It will take a huge effort of courage and skill to win round the many thousands of British Muslims who are in a similar state of alienation, and to make them see that their faith must be compatible with British values and with loyalty to Britain. That means disposing of the first taboo, and accepting that the problem is Islam. Islam is the problem.

To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke. Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers. [...]

The trouble with this disgusting arrogance and condescension [of Theo Van Gogh's killer] is that it is widely supported in Koranic texts, and we look in vain for the enlightened Islamic teachers and preachers who will begin the process of reform. What is going on in these mosques and madrasas? When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s mediaeval ass?


Aswell as his funny little antics on have i got news for you...where he forgot names of panelists, scores and even his own name.

on top gear he accidentally pressed the horn and then asked "who beeped me?"

he's probably the funniest guy in politics.

Especially when saying:
Johnson is known for his love of cycling and regularly cycles to work. He has been the victim of several bike thefts and has expressed his desire to plant "decoy bicycles throughout Islington and send Navy Seals in through the windows of thieves".


on a more political tone:
the government sneek in laws and claim XY and Z thousands off us tax paying middle class law abiding citizens/mugs

lets face it....the country isn't going to fair off any worse than it already is if we placed a far right wing chimp in downing street.

personally i've had enough of it all. the day the goverment actually genuinely cares about its people and stops taxing us all to the hilt, or backing the banks who stupidly ran us into debt that well take a good (and i use that word loosely) 20 years to clear. is the day that i'll genuinely believe that their worthwhile.

they don't speak for the people anymore. all MP's are out for what they can get. it's almost worth becoming one just so you don't get scammed like general folk.

i love how they've said they'll provide free healthcare for pensioners, how they'll do this that and the other.....and the idiotic public lap it up in awe....and only a select few actually sit back and think.....yeah, and where are you going to pull that money from? either from the NHS funding or from raising tax's.
what about the Lottery money? or the celebs? take money from them, footballers DON'T need hundreds of thousands of pounds to kick a bloody ball around for 90 minutes.
 
Tachi- said:
There's one bloke who i respect in politics...and its for comical reasons,
BORIS JOHNSON.
I used to harbour a similar view towards this gentleman. However, as somebody who resides in the capital and favours urban modernisation, some strain has been placed upon my prior respect for him.

As for these talks, I'm at times thankful for my lack of television, ergo the fact I'm distanced from gimmicks such as this by default.
 
More talking heads, spoutin the usual public lap-up-able crap, I could rant about who really controls governments, and has for thousands of years, and directs society towards their needs due to thier control of literally EVERY segment of it, but Id rather not have my head on a plate@P

For now Ill just leave you with some intersting quotes, make of them what you will, all Im sayinng is, start questioning, stop being naive and DENY IGNORANCE.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.



The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation




The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876


Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)




Im really tired of people not seeing through the mass media driven DREAM WORLD, its time to take off the blinkers and actively engage in seeking the truth.
Its time to see your reality in a new way, its time to consider society and its machinations in a new light, its time to cast aside assumption and let loose the human desire to discover, un-impeded by dogma or bias, a non partial examination of why society is the way it has become, and question the extent to which those at the very helm of society, define it, control it, guide it and the purpose behind such all encompassing control, simply put, QUESTION EVERYTHING, DENY IGNORANCE!!!
 
Outlawstar said:
Im really tired of people not seeing through the mass media driven DREAM WORLD, its time to take off the blinkers and actively engage in seeking the truth.
Its time to see your reality in a new way, its time to consider society and its machinations in a new light, its time to cast aside assumption and let loose the human desire to discover, un-impeded by dogma or bias, a non partial examination of why society is the way it has become, and question the extent to which those at the very helm of society, define it, control it, guide it and the purpose behind such all encompassing control, simply put, QUESTION EVERYTHING, DENY IGNORANCE!!!

QFT.

I see someone else likes their Conspiracy DVD's too ;)
 
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