Key anime titles in the UK? Clannad, Air or Kanon...

I am not very familar with them at all, in the sense that I have never seen an episode or played the games. But I am familiar enough with the premise of these shows and know it's nothing that would interest me.
 
Reaper gI said:
Eroge were the only genre that needed writers, not that other genres don't have plot, but they were the only ones who cared about it.
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But...but...what about text-heavy RPGs (or indeed non-ero VNs and adventure games from that period)? Someone wrote that text (they often had numerous people credited as writers, designers, scriptmakers etc). And they didn't spring out of the eroge genre from nowhere in the last 10 years, they've been around for yonks in their own right.

I know that Key games focus heavily on plot compared to certain other series of that era, even though I personally always want to wring the characters' necks in Key series and cannot enjoy them. But to say they were the only ones is not fair on everything else (and distractingly weakens the arguments as the statement feels so overwhelmingly wrong that it's hard to concentrate on the other points).

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Oh yeah, as to the actual point of the thread... releasing these titles in the UK at this point seems like an obvious "bad idea", unfortunately. Titles that basically only appeal to pre-existing fans, who will have already imported them and would only buy them on BD... but that would be an even worse idea, overall.
 
I have recently purchase After Story and have all of Keys other anime but will definetly rebuy them if they were on Blu-Ray by Manga, but if there is no Blu-Ray release then there is no point for me to rebuy them.
 
Rui said:
Reaper gI said:
Eroge were the only genre that needed writers, not that other genres don't have plot, but they were the only ones who cared about it.
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But...but...what about text-heavy RPGs (or indeed non-ero VNs and adventure games from that period)? Someone wrote that text (they often had numerous people credited as writers, designers, scriptmakers etc). And they didn't spring out of the eroge genre from nowhere in the last 10 years, they've been around for yonks in their own right.
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looking at 95-97:
VNs proper had just started/ were about to, the first is from '96. Japanese Non- ero ADV (excepting consumer ports of ero ones) get going later (2000), there's 2-6 per year compared to 15-25 ero, with the ero growing constantly through that. Most Adventure games are older and had died off

There's the 3D boom with the PS coming out, all the big players are doing action games. Arcade is also still strong and they have no writing.

JRPGs didn't have that much narative text. Mostly item/attack descriptions and names. That doesn't need a profesonal writer.
 
While I think it's quite an arrogant view to say these eroge games had superior writing to all the games at the time. But at the same time I wouldn't be so quickly judge a series solely on the fact it was based on eroge game before actually checking the series out.

It's quite surprising to see some of the today's Manga/Anime title that have hentai roots. Two example I can give you of this are Hellsing & Excel saga.

While titles like Kanon, etc don't actually really appeal to me that much. If they however become available in the UK at very discount price, I would at least give them a go. Which more I can say for titles like for Fan service heavy titles like: Master Of Martial Hearts.

You can always check out MVM release of Lunar Legend Tsukihime if you looking to see a good eroge game to Anime adaption. It already once appeared on Anime on Line: deal of the week for £2.99 in the past. So I assume it was available again in future for that price.
 
vashdaman said:
I don't actually have a flawed perception of what these anime adaptations are, I am well aware there is nothing erotic about them. It's just I don't find the premise of the shows the slightest bit interesting, I'm not saying they are neccessarily bad, just not at all my cup of tea.
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You very clearly do though.
The premises of eroge can be as widely varied as the premises you find in anime. To write every eroge adaption off is certainly a personal bias.
The premise of the show has nothing to do with it being an eroge.

Saying you have no interest in the show's premise is one thing. Saying "its an erotic game adaption and that's why I'm not interested" is something completely different.
 
Another decent adaptation of an eroge would be Utawarerumono. That was a good story. It's not the source material, it's what the adapters do with it that counts.

I can see people having issues with the Key anime stuff, as it's designed to appeal to a certain audience, and it wears its ethos of deliberate emotional manipulation on its sleeve. There's nothing subtle about the way it wields its moe tropes. But that has nothing to do with the source material.

It'll be like boycotting that first Highlander animation (the one that had Quentin McCloud and Ramirez and was shown on children's BBC) because it was based on a non kids movie which features decapitations, and had Connor getting frisky with Brenda.
 
Reaper gI said:
vashdaman said:
They are based on erotic video games though. Which I certainly consider a less than inspired source for anime.
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It's better than non-ero videogames!!!
Certanily better than manga from Champion Red, or most things in Dengeki Daioh.
Their writer's there due to them being the only genre that actualy care seriously about plot and character developement.

There's pleanty of other manga anime and games copying Key and Leaf's style as it is. If you ignore anything with their influence you cut out most current anime.
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And there lays the rub. The pool has become so clogged with moeblobs that it's near impossible for the good stuff to filter through. I'd rather if they said "working on it" for Spice and Wolf .:wink:
 
I have all three in R2 already but I would so, so love to have them dubbed/subbed also - I started collecting Air and Kanon from ADV but never got the full set (all my money was going on more imports at the time). I don't have as much interest in FUNi's re-releases because they stripped the extras and there were some very nice extras (I think it was for Kanon?) about how the anime was made from start to finish.
 
MikeP said:
vashdaman said:
I don't actually have a flawed perception of what these anime adaptations are, I am well aware there is nothing erotic about them. It's just I don't find the premise of the shows the slightest bit interesting, I'm not saying they are neccessarily bad, just not at all my cup of tea.
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You very clearly do though.
The premises of eroge can be as widely varied as the premises you find in anime. To write every eroge adaption off is certainly a personal bias.
The premise of the show has nothing to do with it being an eroge.

Saying you have no interest in the show's premise is one thing. Saying "its an erotic game adaption and that's why I'm not interested" is something completely different.
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I was referring to these Key anime, it's their premise that I just don't find interesting. I was previously just stating that I don't think erotic games are an inpired source.
I'm not saying all anime based on erotic games are automatically awful, as what Just Passing Through said is true. It's just that well, the source is so unispiring. Also I am yet to come across an erotic game adaptation I have actually liked(or like the idea of), so while the premises may differ, none have apealed to me yet unfortunately.
 
vashdaman said:
I was referring to these Key anime, it's their premise that I just don't find interesting. I was previously just stating that I don't think erotic games are an inpired source.
I'm not saying all anime based on erotic games are automatically awful, as what Just Passing Through said is true. It's just that well, the source is so unispiring. Also I am yet to come across an erotic game adaptation I have actually liked(or like the idea of), so while the premises may differ, none have apealed to me yet unfortunately.
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You're still doing it.

Do you read novels? How many novels have you read that featured some sexual content? Would you go far as to say that any novel that featured sexual content was 'uninspired'?

For all intents and purposes, eroge is a subcategory of the Visual Novel medium. The only criteria eroge have to meet is the inclusion of at least 1 sex scene. Not all eroge are intended to be straight out pornography. This is an erotic game adaptation : http://myanimelist.net/anime/356/Fate/stay_night and here's a link to a page on the eroge http://vndb.org/v11 . Notice the total lack of any discussion of sex.

If you want to ridicule Key anime, that's fine. They're exceptionally similar in both execution and intention. But you don't need to generalise an entire genre as uninspired or uninteresting just because the majority of it isn't worth the effort.

If you were to do that surely you'd be doing the same for anime. After all far too much of it is mediocre. We just don't see most of those shows because they get filtered out by the US and Australian distributors first.
 
No your absolutely right too much anime is mediocre, and I actually don't think enough is filtered out! But I guess it would be a bit selfish to expect just the shows I consider to be decent quality to come out.

Of course I don't have a problem with simply there being sexual content, like you said many great novels feature sexual content and in fact if its done correctly the sexual content can enhance a movie or novel. My problem with these "eroge" games is that the sexual content in them is (from what I can tell )utterly pathetic, and in line with the kind of stuff(if not worse)that a horney 15 year old would write. It's just a load of crap that they throw in blatantly just to try and make a bit more money by exploiting a certain audience. A quick google search confirms Fate stay night certainly falls into this category

I don't consider a game or visual novel to "eroge" just because it has sex in it, it depends on the actual content of the sexual content. Take Mass effect or the GTA games, there is sex in them(still pretty laughable I'll admit) but I couldn't call them erotic games. It's the fact that these eroge games seem to contain the kind of content that can only come from semi disturbed minds that set them apart. I really would rather not watch cartoon high school children have explicit cartoon sex. It's not quite the same as in a Hollywood movie, as how many movies have you seen that focus predominately on plot and character yet still throw in a couple of really hardcore pornographic sex scenes? It doesn't happen. If the makers of these erotic games were so confident in their story telling they wouldn't feel the need to add these ridiculous porn scenes in.

And judging by the synopsis of the Fate stay night VN that I read, they have reason not to be particularly confident.:Typical unassuming high shcool boy protagonist, Holy grail wars, servant lancer warrior girls, high school girl sourceresses, secret holy wars being fought at school, heroes of justice, invisable swords, mana.
It sounds just like the ridiculous, mediocre anime plots we already have too much of. Which brings me back to my original point, why when there is so much great literature to choose to adapt, do we get so many adaptations of this stuff?
 
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