I've got nothing against the Turn-A (but then again, I've only seen the first episode, and thats before the Turn-A even shows up), but the design is a real culture shock initially (I guess thats what happens when you let Syd Mead create your mecha). I hear very good things about Turn-A, its on my to-watch list, right after the mind numbing horror that is the first half of ZZ Gundam...
Gundam SEED Destiny
- Thread starter Rurouni H
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Rurouni H said:
And Mason in BGC, thats probably why after Dullindal said 2 lines in the first ep and i already didn't trust him.
The problem with Turn A, in regards to the toy sales, wasn't the design of the MS it was the lack of MS, they take a back seat to the plot and arent all that imporntant at all, in fact id go as far as saying there where almost unnescessary to the plot, thats why there was only at most 10 or so kits of Turn A MS as opposed to the dozens there usally are with a normal Gundam show
Well... Episode 28 was... simultaneously brilliant and frustrating.
Uppers:
- Excellent battle that took up the entire episode, had lots of good animation and different actions.
- Mobile Suit pwnage. There is always a mid-series clean-out of mobile suits, but such a good battle has facilitated a major clean-out or reassignment of suits. All the ZAFT suits with the exception of Impulse took serious, perhaps even irreperable damage. And the Earth Alliance has more or less lost the Suits it originally stole. I'll be surprised if we see many of them again.
- Fairly major character deaths. Auel bites the dust (though TBH, I saw it coming with the preview last episode), but by far the most effecting death was Todaka. That guy was a legend right from his first kindness to Shinn, and his choice to go down with the ship means that it was really sad to see him go. The death was a bit coloured by the fact that Shinn was just a plain buttcrack in this episode though. If he had more of a reason for his actions...
Downers:
- Cagalli's Strike Rouge may as well be Lady Penelope's car. At least Parker was around to do some shooting now and then. I'm thinking Cagalli is the single most useless Mobile Suit pilot in the history of Gundam. She hovers about and cries and waits for her Brother to do the dirty work for her.
- ZAFT side arsehatness. To be honest, I felt that the whole internal story of the episode was flawed, like the writers weren't bothered what the characters said so long as it appeared they had some kind of motivation for acting like a total buttwipe.
- An example: Shinn goes SEED because "Oh look it's the Archangel. You make me so angry. Rar."
- Poor editing choices, for example: Athrun prevents Kira's intervention, but due to the juxtaposition of scenes it appears that he wants to stop Kira from saving the Minerva from an onslaught of Orb forces.
Next on Kidou Senshi Gundamu Seed Destiny: A Recap episode. The preview basically confirms this, with footage of Lacus and Kira from Seed. In terms of new material? More shots of Dullindal sitting in his office. Whoop de do. It does look like we'll get a bit of character development in a way though. "What will the phantom of his Saddened Friend tell Dullindal?" is said, as a shot of a packet of pills is passed to ol' Gilbert. Seems very much like this all refers to Neo (who is almost certainly Mwu) and Raww (Psycho clone of Mwu's dad and I think he was seen in Rey's flashback with Dullindal). Clearly, the writers are moving towards a major new arc in the story and want to make certain aspects of the Seed story clear in viewers minds. I could almost not want to launch AOL Discs of Doom in their direction.
Uppers:
- Excellent battle that took up the entire episode, had lots of good animation and different actions.
- Mobile Suit pwnage. There is always a mid-series clean-out of mobile suits, but such a good battle has facilitated a major clean-out or reassignment of suits. All the ZAFT suits with the exception of Impulse took serious, perhaps even irreperable damage. And the Earth Alliance has more or less lost the Suits it originally stole. I'll be surprised if we see many of them again.
- Fairly major character deaths. Auel bites the dust (though TBH, I saw it coming with the preview last episode), but by far the most effecting death was Todaka. That guy was a legend right from his first kindness to Shinn, and his choice to go down with the ship means that it was really sad to see him go. The death was a bit coloured by the fact that Shinn was just a plain buttcrack in this episode though. If he had more of a reason for his actions...
Downers:
- Cagalli's Strike Rouge may as well be Lady Penelope's car. At least Parker was around to do some shooting now and then. I'm thinking Cagalli is the single most useless Mobile Suit pilot in the history of Gundam. She hovers about and cries and waits for her Brother to do the dirty work for her.
- ZAFT side arsehatness. To be honest, I felt that the whole internal story of the episode was flawed, like the writers weren't bothered what the characters said so long as it appeared they had some kind of motivation for acting like a total buttwipe.
- An example: Shinn goes SEED because "Oh look it's the Archangel. You make me so angry. Rar."
- Poor editing choices, for example: Athrun prevents Kira's intervention, but due to the juxtaposition of scenes it appears that he wants to stop Kira from saving the Minerva from an onslaught of Orb forces.
Next on Kidou Senshi Gundamu Seed Destiny: A Recap episode. The preview basically confirms this, with footage of Lacus and Kira from Seed. In terms of new material? More shots of Dullindal sitting in his office. Whoop de do. It does look like we'll get a bit of character development in a way though. "What will the phantom of his Saddened Friend tell Dullindal?" is said, as a shot of a packet of pills is passed to ol' Gilbert. Seems very much like this all refers to Neo (who is almost certainly Mwu) and Raww (Psycho clone of Mwu's dad and I think he was seen in Rey's flashback with Dullindal). Clearly, the writers are moving towards a major new arc in the story and want to make certain aspects of the Seed story clear in viewers minds. I could almost not want to launch AOL Discs of Doom in their direction.
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Suiseiseki
Hunter
I'm going to revive this thread, since I've really enjoyed the last few episodes.
I still don't like Shinn, especially in light of his recent victories, and hope he perishes horribly. (I have to admit to being an Athrun fan, although I like Kira too). I also love Dullindal, he just radiates manipulator. Some of the newer Gundam designs are great too, Infinate Justice and Strike Freedom I like quite a bit.
Fukuda's renowned ability at killing off characters hasn't been too prominent, with as few exceptions such as Stellar, but she had it coming. I'm hoping the "main four" from Seed survive, but I'd love to see the Strike Freedom blow the Destiny and it's pilot to pieces.
I still don't like Shinn, especially in light of his recent victories, and hope he perishes horribly. (I have to admit to being an Athrun fan, although I like Kira too). I also love Dullindal, he just radiates manipulator. Some of the newer Gundam designs are great too, Infinate Justice and Strike Freedom I like quite a bit.
Fukuda's renowned ability at killing off characters hasn't been too prominent, with as few exceptions such as Stellar, but she had it coming. I'm hoping the "main four" from Seed survive, but I'd love to see the Strike Freedom blow the Destiny and it's pilot to pieces.
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Shinn is a difficult character to like. I still can't stop myself from going "Noooo! How can you keep blaming the WRONG person everytime something bad happens to you!!" (Orb didn't kill his family, but he hates them anyway. Neo put Stellar in Destroy, but he blames Kira for killing her to stop it, that sort of thing)) I am really interested in his character now though, considering his current position. Rather than questioning the who and for what hes fighting for like Kira and Athrun (and hell, just about every other main Gundam character in about every other series), he has become the perfect soldier, obeying every order Dullindal has given to him. Thats a huge turn-a-round from the beginning where he ignored Athrun's orders on at least two occasions, or returned Stellar to Neo. Maybe Dullindal's new targets suit him better now that the war has become expanded.
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What prejudices me most against Shinn is his pathetic romance with Stellar and how that was used as some kind of motivation for his actions. "She may be a pathetic half-wit who masacred most of Eastern Europe, but i'm going to hate Kira for killing her anyway!"
He deserves a Zeta Gundam to the chest for his stupidity... I just fear that the writers will make him a good guy and forget to give him the squishing he deserves. BTW, I thought that Strike Freedom Gundam was just the wrong side of "indestructible super weapon" in the last episode. The original Freedom was always overpowered with that "super zappy 40,000 rail guns" thing it did everytime nukes were fired at PLANT, and it's sad to see that that move remains along with a seemingly endless list of super-fabby attacks that will no doubt fail Kira when he fights anyone not in a Grunt suit in the coming episodes. Such is the wonders of Mecha Combat.
And finally: Chemistry's Wings of Words. It's a nice tune but... it doesn't work as a theme tune to a Mecha anime at all IMO.
He deserves a Zeta Gundam to the chest for his stupidity... I just fear that the writers will make him a good guy and forget to give him the squishing he deserves. BTW, I thought that Strike Freedom Gundam was just the wrong side of "indestructible super weapon" in the last episode. The original Freedom was always overpowered with that "super zappy 40,000 rail guns" thing it did everytime nukes were fired at PLANT, and it's sad to see that that move remains along with a seemingly endless list of super-fabby attacks that will no doubt fail Kira when he fights anyone not in a Grunt suit in the coming episodes. Such is the wonders of Mecha Combat.
And finally: Chemistry's Wings of Words. It's a nice tune but... it doesn't work as a theme tune to a Mecha anime at all IMO.
Suiseiseki
Hunter
Rurouni H said:
Lol, it can be hard not to sometimes.
Shinn's a rather unique Gundam protagonist, as Rurouni H pointed out. I'm sure he'll end up on the "good side" at the end. It seems he's following Dullindal almost mindlessly.As much as I'd love for his remains to be scattered around space, I think the chance of that happening is roughly equal to that of Lacus piloting the Strike Freedom Gundam, entering seed, and blowing up the whole Earth Alliance. Although I would love Lacus to enter seed again.
I love the fact that Blue Cosmos is just, well, a puppet group, and not as powerful as once thought...Djibril seems to lack true power even near the start of the anime when PLANT is attacked with nuclear weapons and the various members of the group begin to doubt him..
There's a lot of rumours going round that Cagalli will die, which I would hate, because I'd love to see her relasionship with Athrun grow (plus I like her character). Now, Yuuna...he can die, painfully.
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Phase 40 was another good ep (only 10 more till it ends 
). Cagalli got the Hyaku Shi- sorry, Akatsuki (More of a homage than a direct rip-off really. The kanji on the shoulder is a nice touch), and proved she was a competent pilot enough to take out several attacking ZAFT suits. Maybe gold suits her better than pink (or maybe its inhabited by the ghost of Char! Who knows...). Its good to see that the resolve that people like her and Athrun had lost is now retuning. Its a nice touch thats taken a while to build up, as in SEED, but I like the results.
In other developments, Shinn gets promoted to Faith for his actions at Heaven's Base. Which of course, now means he can act virtually on his own without suffering the consequences. Good news for Dullandil though, it means his puppet can act without any interference from Talia should she decide to put her foot down.
But the best part... was where Cagalli takes away Yuna's command of Orb's military, and then tells the officers to restrain and arrest him. They take this order liberally and promptly start kicking the crap out of him. Must be all that pent up anger. It took 32 episodes, but damn it was worth it.
Next time: more hypocrisy from Shinn as he attacks Orb and makes more orphans like himself. But first... a clip show. :lol:
). Cagalli got the Hyaku Shi- sorry, Akatsuki (More of a homage than a direct rip-off really. The kanji on the shoulder is a nice touch), and proved she was a competent pilot enough to take out several attacking ZAFT suits. Maybe gold suits her better than pink (or maybe its inhabited by the ghost of Char! Who knows...). Its good to see that the resolve that people like her and Athrun had lost is now retuning. Its a nice touch thats taken a while to build up, as in SEED, but I like the results.In other developments, Shinn gets promoted to Faith for his actions at Heaven's Base. Which of course, now means he can act virtually on his own without suffering the consequences. Good news for Dullandil though, it means his puppet can act without any interference from Talia should she decide to put her foot down.
But the best part... was where Cagalli takes away Yuna's command of Orb's military, and then tells the officers to restrain and arrest him. They take this order liberally and promptly start kicking the crap out of him. Must be all that pent up anger. It took 32 episodes, but damn it was worth it.
Next time: more hypocrisy from Shinn as he attacks Orb and makes more orphans like himself. But first... a clip show. :lol:
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Suiseiseki
Hunter
Great episodes are flowing thick and fast now. The Yuna part was so satisfying, I really loved it.
I really do love Dullandil, he is just a master manipulator,although I fear he'll be killed off sometime. Cagalli seems to be gaining back the strength that she had in Seed, which I'm really happy about.
I think there is now a lot to fit into the last ten episodes, but with the first forty so good, these next weeks are going to be exhilarating. I think
Shinn will end up offing Dullandil and turning "good", much as I'd love for Kira to turn Shinn into a bloody patch on the floor, and I think he'll have a rematch or at least a violent encounter with Kira.
I really do love Dullandil, he is just a master manipulator,although I fear he'll be killed off sometime. Cagalli seems to be gaining back the strength that she had in Seed, which I'm really happy about.
I think there is now a lot to fit into the last ten episodes, but with the first forty so good, these next weeks are going to be exhilarating. I think
Shinn will end up offing Dullandil and turning "good", much as I'd love for Kira to turn Shinn into a bloody patch on the floor, and I think he'll have a rematch or at least a violent encounter with Kira.
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Not buying it at all. Need a source other than a BBS that I can't even read
Besides, the rule is that the third series has to completely drop the ball on the high of the last series. Where in the press release does it say that Yuna returns as a comic sidekick for a dumb fat guy and promptly plummets to his death after jumping out an MS without a parachute?
Edit: Just thinking about it "Slash Gundam" sounds:
a) Far too lame to be real
b) like "Gundam Slash" backwards. Gundam already has enough slash fanfics to last a Universal Century.
Besides, the rule is that the third series has to completely drop the ball on the high of the last series. Where in the press release does it say that Yuna returns as a comic sidekick for a dumb fat guy and promptly plummets to his death after jumping out an MS without a parachute?
Edit: Just thinking about it "Slash Gundam" sounds:
a) Far too lame to be real
b) like "Gundam Slash" backwards. Gundam already has enough slash fanfics to last a Universal Century.
Suiseiseki
Hunter
We'll have to wait and see. I wouldn't be suprised if there is another Seed series eventually, but I'll echo kupoartist for now.
I find it especially unlikely because Gunota (http://aeug.blogspot.com/) haven't covered it, and they are also simulatenously reporting other next moves for the Gundam series:
Suiseiseki
Hunter
An interesting development. I believe that during 2009, we'll obviously see a lot from the Gundam franchise. Releases of various series over here aren't too much to hope for, are they? I'd wager that there will be at least one more series set in the Seed continuity, even if it doesn't feature the same characters, since Destiny began due to the success of Seed and by all accounts Destiny is as popularly as it's predessesor. Also, I presume that there will be a series or OVA harking back to the original, a celebration of the past updated for modern times or a Gundam crossover released to mark the 30th anniversary of Mobile Suit Gundam.
The 30th Anniversary quote seems strange to me... why would anyone be that excited about the 30th anniversary? The 20th anniversary was observed - the products were Turn-A Gundam, with its emphasis on tying all the series together somewhat abstractly, and the live action film G-Saviour, which has now been disowned by Bandai. In fact, despite my own personal liking of Turn-A, it wasn't exactly a rip-roaring success, and the 20th Anniversary, called the "Big Bang"... wasn't. The 25th Anniversary, the more obvious celebrationary date, slipped by relatively unnoticed, falling in between Seed and Seed Destiny. The biggest nod to it was probably MS IGLOO, the CGI One Year War OVA, but it seems relatively low key for a quarter-centurary celebration. 30 Years by comparison, seems a rather disjointed "So what?" kind of date.Chomolungma said:
Seed's continuation isn't something that bothers me really. I do feel that we're rushing towards an ending here though - I think a Seed movie or OVA sequel is a possibility, due to the undeniable popularity of the series (AFAIK, the only series it fails to eclipse in TV ratings terms is Zeta, and Seed was far and above the bad reception to the Alternate Universes of the mid 90s, climaxing in Gundam X's premature cancellation). I can't see them getting away with another entire series though - Destiny always seemed like a bit of a forced sequel after the relative finality of Seed.
Speaking of wild rumours, I have heard a (very much unsubstantiated) one that Gundam X will be getting some new attention soon. It's not yet clear whether it would be in the form of a compliation movie or an OVA, but apparently the ending will be changed to what it should have been.
Of course, I read this on a single board somewhere, and it hasn't made it onto Gunota, so it's validity is in question. The recent Under the Moonlight manga seems to be doing better than expected, but it's probably little more than a hopeful fan's speculation. Take this one with a healthy pinch of salt.
Would be pretty cool though, always thought X deserved a bit more attention.
Of course, I read this on a single board somewhere, and it hasn't made it onto Gunota, so it's validity is in question. The recent Under the Moonlight manga seems to be doing better than expected, but it's probably little more than a hopeful fan's speculation. Take this one with a healthy pinch of salt.
Would be pretty cool though, always thought X deserved a bit more attention.
Rock on X. I love that series.
I'd write something about Destiny to get back on track, but I'm behind by 2 episodes on account of my internet connection having just come back.
EDIT: JET STREAM ATTACK!! - Easily the best part of that phase 42. Things are really heating up now, I can't wait to see where this goes.
I'd write something about Destiny to get back on track, but I'm behind by 2 episodes on account of my internet connection having just come back.
EDIT: JET STREAM ATTACK!! - Easily the best part of that phase 42. Things are really heating up now, I can't wait to see where this goes.
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Hitsugaya_Toshiro
Completely Average High School Student
I love Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny, all the intros rock, the characters are excellent!! its the first Gundam series i have checked out, i didn't think i would like it, but it just rocks!