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ok so today i was having an arguement wit my bf, he believes in ghosts and i dont... well not so much that i dont, just nothing has ever pursuaded me to believe that they do.

so i put to my bf to find something scary, wierd or unexplainable and it wud make me question my opinion on the matter... he came up wit diddly squat...

so i guess wat im saying is any of u guys up for the challenge?
 
With no 100% empirical evidence existing out there, ANYWHERE, you have to maintain healthy skepticism or just flatout ignorance on the subject.

Not saying not believing in the paranormal is for the ignorant, but believing in the possibility of another realm of existence is what you'd find most people take.
 
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ghosts or anything in any way supernatural is 'real', so I certainly don't believe it and I'm of the opinion that it is entirely illogical for anyone else to believe in the supernatural ;]
 
But you're not looking at the bigger picture here... How do you know that anyone but yourself is actually real and your life isn't in fact a test being conducted by a supercomputer for purposes unknown?

Oh no, I figured it out!

::clutches chest and collapses face down on keyboard::
 
tell u what, spend Halloween inside Blackpool Wintergardens maintainace shaft like i did and then you tell me they don't exist

TBH i didn't enjoy having a bulb chucked at me :(
 
CitizenGeek said:
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ghosts or anything in any way supernatural, so I certainly don't believe it and I'm of the opinion that it is entirely illogical to believe in the supernatural ;]
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thats my opinion on the matter also... but while that is my belief, it is to try to understand why believe the contrary... which is why i have this topic :/
 
CitizenGeek said:
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ghosts or anything in any way supernatural, so I certainly don't believe it and I'm of the opinion that it is entirely illogical to believe in the supernatural ;]
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Thank you for confirming the idiocy of religious belief.
 
evangelion rocks said:
Ryo Chan said:
tell u what, spend Halloween inside Blackpool Wintergardens maintainace shaft like i did and then you tell me they don't exist

TBH i didn't enjoy having a bulb chucked at me :(
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Please elaborate good sir!! :eek:
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went on a ghost walk bout 4 years ago with college during halloween underneath blackpool winterguardens

The medium with us was actually a student of David Wells (well know spirit Medium). There were 6 of us minus him and a security guard and we went down the old maintainace shaft (narrow corridor underneath the centre which is like a tunnel and lots of wires around us). Needless to say i wasn't a big beleive back then and decided to be the brave one and be right at the back of the group. Half way down and Mike (the Medium) said "you're awefuly brave, are you feeling anything behind you" and just as i was about to respond "i feel like we're being followed" i felt a slight rush of air come past my ear, followed by a smash. We turned on the torch to find a smashed (and still warm) lightbulb right next to us by the wall.

Now you could make the logic that someone snook behind me and threw it, but there was no one there, and no way anyone could of hid, it was a steight corridor and a long one at that. Not to mention that there are actually no lights down there bar some of the big long tube lights every so oftern, so it couldn't of been warm from being used.

So how do you explain it?
 
ayase said:
But you're not looking at the bigger picture here... How do you know that anyone but yourself is actually real and your life isn't in fact a test being conducted by a supercomputer for purposes unknown?

Oh no, I figured it out!

::clutches chest and collapses face down on keyboard::
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Would you believe that someone in cambridge has calculated the possibilty that is the case? (can't remember the number but it was stupidly large)
 
I used to believe in the paranormal, as a kid everything was paranormal fascinated by it but ****, The crackpots out their just kill it for you.
 
CitizenGeek said:
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ghosts or anything in any way supernatural is 'real', so I certainly don't believe it and I'm of the opinion that it is entirely illogical for anyone else to believe in the supernatural ;]
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Supernatural are just as of yet unexplained natural phenomena, "ghosts" could well be beings that exist at a higher oscillating frequency than us and not "ghosts" at all.
Until anything is proven of course its just wild specualation, however contrary to your point there is plenty of evidence to suggest that "ghosts" or more fittingly life after death is very real.
 
Outlawstar said:
Supernatural are just as of yet unexplained natural phenomena, "ghosts" could well be beings that exist at a higher oscillating frequency than us and not "ghosts" at all.
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But like you say, that's just wild conjecture.

Until anything is proven of course its just wild specualation, however contrary to your point there is plenty of evidence to suggest that "ghosts" or more fittingly life after death is very real.
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I don't understand how you can make such a statement (that there is "plenty", let alone any at all) evidence that such paranormal myths as the "after life" and anything resembling ghosts are real. Please provide me with some of this apparentely abundant proof?
 
istead of asking us to prove they do exist

why don't you give us scinetific proof they don't

oh wait you can't either.

Hence why this arguement will keep going in circles
 
I've had afew weird things happen to me which id rather put down to spirirts than anyhing else.

1. when i first moved into the house i live in i knew a little old man who used to own it died and so the house was sold. we used to have 2 old sheds with typical tools in it....hammers, saws, chizels ect ect. and one late summers night when the sun was just starting to creep behind the horizon, leaving the whole place in the orange glow we all know too well. i was walking from the bottom of the garden where i used to train, walking past the sheds i saw the light on, the door just pushed too, leaving a gap to look in. i thought nothing of it as i passed, looking in whilst walking by i saw a man stood in a red shirt and jeans tinkering with something, had his back to the door so i don't know what he was actually doing, i went inside and asked my mum (who was washing up in the kitchen which overlooks the garden) what dad was doing in the shed. just then my dad walked down the stairs and i started panicing thinking it was someone who was breaking in. ran outside and the door was locked, the light was off and when i unlocked it and looked inside....nothing, was really freaky and wasn't sure what else it could of been, but the spirit of the old man.

another thing was when me and dad were building the pond and dad took his wedding ring off to save it getting scratched to pieces by the slabs we were placing around the pond. when we had finished dad realised his ring was gone and we searched the whole garden to find it, didn't find it....3 or 4 days later i went into the garden and there....on a branch sticking out in plain sight, coming from a bush i know we had searched....was dads ring,

and the time i crept downstairs in the dead of night and walked past the living room (our living room door has glass panels in it) and saw a shadow of a man move behind me in the reflection, turned around and nothing was there. looked back in the reflection and the shadow was gone.

Sadly i haven't had anymore weird stuff for years....so i think he must of gone.
 
CitizenGeek said:
Outlawstar said:
Supernatural are just as of yet unexplained natural phenomena, "ghosts" could well be beings that exist at a higher oscillating frequency than us and not "ghosts" at all.
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But like you say, that's just wild conjecture.

Until anything is proven of course its just wild specualation, however contrary to your point there is plenty of evidence to suggest that "ghosts" or more fittingly life after death is very real.
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I don't understand how you can make such a statement (that there is "plenty", let alone any at all) evidence that such paranormal myths as the "after life" and anything resembling ghosts are real. Please provide me with some of this apparentely abundant proof?
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Listen CG, Id have no problem linking you to evidence of life after death, but dont forget I said evidence, not proof, and my take on evidence will likely be very different from yours, and as Ryo Chan says, nothing is proof positive, so it will inevitibly be a round table debate.
I simply have my spin on it from what Ive researched, at the end of the day Im not claiming to be all knowing, its just my opinion, but I do think it a very distinct possibility.

As Im sure you know energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form, modern science relies on this theory, and from that standpoint considering when it boils down to it that fundamentally, all that makes up ourselves is energy..............who knows?Not me thats for sure, and certainly not you.

So yes if you still want I can link you to some intersting videos, articles etc, but I already know your point of view and doubt mere "evidence" will be enough to convince you.
 
Ryo Chan said:
istead of asking us to prove they do exist

why don't you give us scinetific proof they don't

oh wait you can't either.

Hence why this arguement will keep going in circles
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That's simply absurd. Those who believe the supernatural is in some way "real" are the ones making the claim and thus the burden of proof rests entirely upon them.

I know it's tired and over-used, but the concept of the Flying Spaghetti Monster really does highlight the ridiculous logic of statements like yours, Ryo Chan.

I'd really appreciate if you posted those links, Outlawstar :]
 
Mmm, ghosts were invented to scare little children and to give some very bored people something to think about. If you believe in ghosts/supernatural, you should get to grips with what is real; Not with what you want to think is real.

I can't imagine that when you die you turn into a flying transparent version of yourself and fly around saying "wooooooo". If people want to believe in life after death, fine; I just find it, and the people who believe it, slightly absurd.

People who have "seen" ghosts are probably just seeing their imagination. If you're scared, then you'll probably think something bad is going to happen. I think of ghosts like placebo's. Oh, and this is especially to those who have seen dead relative's/friends - You probably just wanted to see them again or something, so you imagined they were there.
 
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