Employment and Unemployment.

Are you employed?

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  • No

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  • I'm currently in education

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Cheers Chaos.

Yeah looking back i wish i'd have found a way to catch him out. simply saying "He's changing my work so that it looks like he's doing it and i'm doing nothing" didn't work....they probably thought i was just trying to shift the blame and instead of actually doing an investigation....they fired me outright.

Its okay though. Karma came back around. I'm now a higher band of pay and authority than he is. oh and he was fired not long after me, when they found out i was right. They didn't ask me if i wanted my old job back....guessed they new i'd have told them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine, they where lucky i didn't go down the lines of unfair/wrongful dismissal.

Thats sort of why i went into an I.T career path too...my plan was to get as high as i possibly could. Then go to where the I/T Dept is based and stick two fingers up at the head of the department. Now i'm just doing it for me.....to get myself further in life.

Yeah, My placid little world in a bubble just might pop next year, Learn how to pay the bills properly, see half of my wage enter then exit my accounts at the start of each month lol, But it'll be good :thumb:
 
Tachi- said:
Yeah, My placid little world in a bubble just might pop next year, Learn how to pay the bills properly, see half of my wage enter then exit my accounts at the start of each month lol, But it'll be good :thumb:
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Direct debt is your best friend.
Also, look at http://quicken.intuit.com/ and start practicing now =)

The paid version is worth it, in case you're wondering.
 
I've just started my second year at University, and I've got a job during the holidays which I do about 30 hours a week at.

If I want anything it has to come out of my cash, food included.
I even have to pay rent whilst at home, because my Mum has even less money than I do.

Right, procrastination over, back to questions.
 
I have been working full time for about 10 years now in the Gas industry. Before that I was temping for a few years which was a bit annoying as I ended up on the dole for a few months here and there, unfortunately I played by the rules and did not try to rip them off so I got treated like crap (I never want to end up on the dole again).

Before that I was at Uni doing Chemistry (which did not go so well) I did not have a job during term time but did some labouring and that during holidays, and being careful I managed to come out with no debts. The worst bit was signing on to the dole and having them tell me I could re-sit the year I failed half of if the Uni called it part time, so playing by the rules I did what they said only for them to screw me out of money for over six months (money which I never got) with a different crap reason every time I sorted out what they had said was wrong the last time. In the end the last reason was that my parents had paid course fees higher than some figure they came up with that they had never mentioned before and said they thought I would not give up the course if I found a job because of the money. As I was doing Chemistry and looking for lab work I thought that was stupid as whoever I worked for would probably want me to continue part time anyway. Conclusion I failed again due to the stress they caused me, though it did not all go bad as they paid for me to do a CAD course and so I came a way from that with a higher qualification in CAD than I had before. I was very glad my parents owned the house me and my friends at the time rented from them as I could literally have ended up homeless from not paying the rent as I could not get housing benefit because of the dole screw up.
 
"The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system, every person should contribute to society to the best of his ability and consume from society in proportion to his needs, regardless of how much he has contributed."

From that, i deduce....he was a lazy bastard.


"The idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs"

HA! what a joke.


Honestly...there's better ways to live anyway.
I'd rather live on the street than expect the government to spoon feed me a house and money.
 
Tachi- said:
"The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system, every person should contribute to society to the best of his ability and consume from society in proportion to his needs, regardless of how much he has contributed."

From that, i deduce....he was a lazy bastard.

"The idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs"

HA! what a joke.
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Many of Marx's ideas were in fact quite brilliant. However, he and other communists didn't reckon on two things - Firstly, that given half the chance the working class are just as lazy as the bourgeoisie and secondly, that they're just as greedy. Communism would be the perfect system... if everyone cared equally about each other as individuals and society as a whole. They don't.
 
This I originally wrote for the freedom of speech vs censorship thread but then it didn't really fit in there so I've put it here


I can understand fully why people would never want to leave benefits. I'm unemployed right now though not on benefits as I'm using savings. I'm looking for work in a relaxed manner. I can tell you that being unemployed, despite being poor is great. Work can suck the life out of you, right now I have time, so much time. I've even started art again, something I gave up after A level.

My dad was made redundant and like me is not on benefits and is also loving it. He has time to spend walking during the weekdays now he can head up to the peak district, he trying to find a way he can work from home now before he starts to look for employed work again.

My uncle works but when he was made redundant from his original job many many many many years ago (talking about 20) he said that was one of the best times of his life because of the freedom he had.

The modern world can just be crap. You see the innuits, aborigines, the Indians, natives in Canada, the sort of people who just live of the land, basic simple lives. So much freedom and they are happy. Do you ever wonder if their lives are better, more fulfilling and happier then ours. Less stress, pressure, more time, a more relaxed pace of life.
 
Asdrubael said:
The modern world can just be crap. You see the innuits, aborigines, the Indians, natives in Canada, the sort of people who just live of the land, basic simple lives. So much freedom and they are happy. Do you ever wonder if their lives are better, more fulfilling and happier then ours. Less stress, pressure, more time, a more relaxed pace of life.
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Interesting you mention you and your dad there Asdrubael, this is something me and my dad talk about quite a bit. He's of the opinion that the simple life is better, that you can be just as happy living in a manner relatively unchanged for centuries as you can living in the modern world, and I can see that... However, I think we need to be moving forward and evolving as a species and as a society - development of new technologies, using them to connect the world so that it becomes an ever smaller place which we know more and more about every day is the most important aim for humanity and this can only really happen in an environment where we do all depend on each other and where we are aware of and easily connected to anyone in the word, and their ideas.

Compelling as a life free of many of the problems modern life has brought would be, I find it hard to see how going back to that way of life would drive us forward. Ultimately I believe in life becoming simpler, but also much more high-tech than it is now. Perhaps in the future people will be able to work less but have more because of technology - freeing up time for personal pursuits like you mention. At the moment the problem is money. Everyone could work (there doesn't need to be any unemployment - job sharing could enable two people to do half the hours of one job) but they wouldn't earn enough to live off.
 
I selected yes, for now. >_< I live temp role to temp role. I'm too shy, low self worth, and too far from the typical girl to do well in interviews and that left me with gaps which make me no longer get interviews. :/ That and since recession all that seems to go perm in my area is telemarketing roles...yea, I tried that years ago...didn't work. It makes sense, I care about everyone and don't like seeing people lied to/screwed and I'm not outgoing. Recipe for fail in that setting.
Between them I struggle to survive, I've not ever had benefits. This is why I don't get to buy much.
 
Nyani said:
I selected yes, for now. >_< I live temp role to temp role. I'm too shy, low self worth, and too far from the typical girl to do well in interviews and that left me with gaps which make me no longer get interviews. :/ That and since recession all that seems to go perm in my area is telemarketing roles...yea, I tried that years ago...didn't work. It makes sense, I care about everyone and don't like seeing people lied to/screwed and I'm not outgoing. Recipe for fail in that setting.
Between them I struggle to survive, I've not ever had benefits. This is why I don't get to buy much.
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I spent a few years after uni like this, moving from temp role to temp role, everything from data entry to picking and packing, and then yes even telesales which I was good at... which made it all that much worse.

I ended up with what I considered to be a **** cv because of all the job swapping and time between employments but you eventually learn what companies want to hear in interviews and how to creatively edit your cv (for example if you have a blank space for a month or two put down you were travelling to broaden your horisons and learn independance and self reliance companies eat that sort of stuff right up).

Eventually I got lucky and was taken on as a contractor for an IT company (I had zero experience but they wanted someone to train up to their standards which is code for trying to pay you less to do the same job), I stuck it out got my pay rises and 3 years later i am still at the same site, although the owners have changed I have been kept on and even made a permanent employee. I love the job as it lets me work only 14 days a month and I can watch dvd's and read books when there is nothing to do, plus I get to do any training i want, at the moment I am going for my Cisco and ITIL certificates.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that sometimes you have to "kiss a lot of frogs" before you find what you want or need, the important thing is never give in to that voice that tells you not to bother trying.
 
McIcy said:
I ended up with what I considered to be a **** cv because of all the job swapping and time between employments but you eventually learn what companies want to hear in interviews and how to creatively edit your cv (for example if you have a blank space for a month or two put down you were travelling to broaden your horisons and learn independance and self reliance companies eat that sort of stuff right up).
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Ahh, i'll remember that when i get round to making a new CV,


McIcy said:
I love the job as it lets me work only 14 days a month and I can watch dvd's and read books when there is nothing to do,
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:eek: what company do you work for??? thats an amazing set up, only working 14 days in a months....and in I.T?? that's pretty much my ideal type of job.

McIcy said:
plus I get to do any training i want, at the moment I am going for my Cisco and ITIL certificates.
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Good luck, i presume you've done a few networking courses beforehand? otherwise jumping straight into them will be difficult to say the least.
I'm waiting for the start of the year to come around, then i'll be doing the A+ course and as soon as that's finished i'll be walking out of here and getting myself a job in I.T
 
That sounds like a nice set up McIcy, wish I could find something like that. Yea I ended up temping in a factory production line on a rotation of early mornings and late nights recently for about a month and a half. I've been doing all I can tbh. Just not much comes.
But yea my CV has all the horribleness. The worst is when an agency person says "you've left alot of jobs", it's like, no, I havn't, they were assignment, they finished, they didn't have room for people for longer. Argh agencies! WTB companies doing all their own hiring. *has had alot of drama with agencies lately*
 
Mutsumi said:
I think McIcy is self employed. At least I remember him saying so a couple of years ago.
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I was a self employed contractor but the company I was contracting at offered me a full time job with all the perks I was missing like holiday and sick pay.

Nyani said:
The worst is when an agency person says "you've left alot of jobs", it's like, no, I havn't, they were assignment, they finished, they didn't have room for people for longer. Argh agencies! WTB companies doing all their own hiring. *has had alot of drama with agencies lately*
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This is an easy fix as I used to have the same problem - instead of listing each job individually simply list the temp agencies name and then describe the roles you have under taken whilst employed by them. This way they will read it as one company and show them that when one contract has ended you did a good job and were therefore moved to another company rather than being let go.

Hope this helps
 
The problem is that it's always through a different agency. There are far too many around and so they rarely have anything. I don't think I've ever actually worked for the same agency twice. O_O I'm registered with about 30.
 
Nyani said:
The problem is that it's always through a different agency. There are far too many around and so they rarely have anything. I don't think I've ever actually worked for the same agency twice. O_O I'm registered with about 30.
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You can just put it in as one large block, broken down into significant job roles and companies, and head it as "Various temping roles date-date" (or something similar that fits your CV). They look for the fact you have that time lumped in as active employment without glaring gaps or unexplained dead time, and then they want to see what skills you were using and responsibilities you had. The actual companies involved are less important. You can use agencies or employers as references, whoever liked you more and looks most impressive.

I hate agencies too. Glad to have been rid of them for a while as it's way too easy to get into a rut. I'll probably self-employ next if I drop out of my current industry (not planning on that though!).

R
 
I relate with Nyani, except for the fact that I'm male.

I just count myself lucky that I got into a fairly decent job early on. The job itself was hard & dirty work, I was sub-contracted for a while until the main firm brought us in-house. That was about 3 years ago and so far, everything is going fairly well. I've kinda managed to somewhat make my way up the ladder, though that was through keeping my head down and just getting on with the work. I've been offered a co-ordinator role once our boss retires and have been training for that unofficially. The job itself is fun, I work mainly around Oxfordshire & Wiltshire and in my line of work, you see all sorts of interesting things. I work on my own, which is how I prefer it.

It sounds a little lame, but I'm struggling to decide whether I even want the hassle of a supervisor role in the future. I think I'd rather go into the more technical side of my job.
 
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