Deaf langauge (English and BSL)

Rui said:
I don't think that the style of BSL (as it has been described) is much like Japanese; if anything it's a lot more like Chinese with its completely different system for grammar. Japanese grammar is quite intricate in comparison, like ours.
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Please don't take my comment too seriously; I know very little beyond a few words of Japanese, and have never tried to learn it, so my knowledge of the fact is extremely limited.

I was never that great with languages unfortunately; according to my teachers back in school, I was good at pronouncing words 'naturally' and picking things like that up, but actually remembering the translations and rules off the top of my head...well my memories not too strong I'll put it that way.
 
Maxon said:
I have a question: have you learned to lip read or do you plan to learn to lip read?
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I can read to very little lip read. I can speak a few word example "Hello" , " What you doing" and others. I hope i should more speak future. Honest, i am dislike to wear hearing aid. It is pointless to me because when you heard background nosie. i can't heard what speak to one word with background noise.

Rui said:
Do you find it difficult to read posts by users who use more complicated grammar, or is it easy to read, just harder to write with? Or do people who post in a more direct way tend to be easier to understand as well?

R
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Sometime i can easy to read and understand what it is mean. Sometime the user put to posh word or long word then i not know what this word is mean. But i am like learn to new words. I alway look at google and ask googles search what word is mean :)
 
vashdaman said:
As for the whole Troll thing, I think the term gets thrown around way to much and the definition seems to be very loose. For example I've never tried to bait an emotional response out of anyone here, but I've been accused of being a "toll" at least a few times now, I think people just fail to see my light hearted humour and get defensive.
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Like I said elsewhere, that's because people had no way of knowing that you were being light hearted. Love them or hate them (and I have a sneaking suspicion you fall into the latter category) that's what emoticons are there for. Everybody has this problem to begin with, but people certainly do need "initiating" in the ways of the internet or it's current denizens will just run you out of town. I often equate it to the wild west, but with text instead of bullets. There is a civilised, sanitised net now but it's shite. The bland commercial realm of social networking and Twitter twats. I grew up on unmoderated Usenet and that's the way I like my internet. AUKN is the closest thing to it I've found.

As for sending stuff off topic, there's no need to worry about that here. Forums where people are punished for going off topic are like police states. Anyone who voluntarily posts in places like that is a masochist or a pushover. They're full of mods who redtext to show they are really angry and members who reply with a snivelling "sorry sir I won't do it again". We have good moderation here, ie: very little and only when absolutely necessary.
 
ayase said:
vashdaman said:
As for the whole Troll thing, I think the term gets thrown around way to much and the definition seems to be very loose. For example I've never tried to bait an emotional response out of anyone here, but I've been accused of being a "toll" at least a few times now, I think people just fail to see my light hearted humour and get defensive.
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Like I said elsewhere, that's because people had no way of knowing that you were being light hearted. Love them or hate them (and I have a sneaking suspicion you fall into the latter category) that's what emoticons are there for. Everybody has this problem to begin with, but people certainly do need "initiating" in the ways of the internet or it's current denizens will just run you out of town. I often equate it to the wild west, but with text instead of bullets. There is a civilised, sanitised net now but it's shite. The bland commercial realm of social networking and Twitter twats. I grew up on unmoderated Usenet and that's the way I like my internet. AUKN is the closest thing to it I've found.

As for sending stuff off topic, there's no need to worry about that here. Forums where people are punished for going off topic are like police states. Anyone who voluntarily posts in places like that is a masochist or a pushover. They're full of mods who redtext to show they are really angry and members who reply with a snivelling "sorry sir I won't do it again". We have good moderation here, ie: very little and only when absolutely necessary.
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I, uh, know a forum where the mods will edit posts and correct grammar and spelling with bold red.
 
Deutsch is the harder of the 3 languages most people in school learn, spanish and french are very similar to each other very phonetic.

German isn't as easy, one change of tense and the sentence is back to front, for example:
Ich hore gehn musik - i'm listening to music, present tense
Ich musik Gehort - i listened to music past tense
(my german is rusty but yeah, you get the idea)

Arguably Japanese is the hardest language possible to learn if you aren't born and bred in japan, to them its just learning their language, to us its so far removed that it can take years of practice to get to a confident level of communication.

As for Sign language, i always believed that deaf people could communicate in writing english just the same as someone who wasn't deaf, thanks for the insight :)
 
Oddly enough I found German easier than French. I always found that French had more confusing rules and conditionals, whereas German seemed a little more logical.
 
Different strokes for different folks,

I had german for 5 years, spanish for 1 and although i picked up the spanish very quickly it wasn't enough for me to change my course from german to spanish simply due to knowing more german.

At year 11 i could speak, read and write fluently in deutsch, 5 years down the line and i'm rusty as hell lol.
 
I find German and Japanese relatively very easy and logical (German's just like English in many ways!). The Romance languages are significantly harder for me to speak.

R
 
ayase said:
Like I said elsewhere, that's because people had no way of knowing that you were being light hearted. Love them or hate them (and I have a sneaking suspicion you fall into the latter category) that's what emoticons are there for. Everybody has this problem to begin with, but people certainly do need "initiating" in the ways of the internet or it's current denizens will just run you out of town. I often equate it to the wild west, but with text instead of bullets. There is a civilised, sanitised net now but it's shite. The bland commercial realm of social networking and Twitter twats. I grew up on unmoderated Usenet and that's the way I like my internet. AUKN is the closest thing to it I've found.

As for sending stuff off topic, there's no need to worry about that here. Forums where people are punished for going off topic are like police states. Anyone who voluntarily posts in places like that is a masochist or a pushover. They're full of mods who redtext to show they are really angry and members who reply with a snivelling "sorry sir I won't do it again". We have good moderation here, ie: very little and only when absolutely necessary.
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Thanks again Ayase, your pretty much my internet guru :)
I equally despise (if not more so) the social networking and twitter side of the web and will never give in and be apart of that, real men don't get down with that.
Although funnily enough I would consider AUKN to certainly be one of the most civilized places on the web, which is why I frequent it.
 
vashdaman said:
ayase said:
Like I said elsewhere, that's because people had no way of knowing that you were being light hearted. Love them or hate them (and I have a sneaking suspicion you fall into the latter category) that's what emoticons are there for. Everybody has this problem to begin with, but people certainly do need "initiating" in the ways of the internet or it's current denizens will just run you out of town. I often equate it to the wild west, but with text instead of bullets. There is a civilised, sanitised net now but it's shite. The bland commercial realm of social networking and Twitter twats. I grew up on unmoderated Usenet and that's the way I like my internet. AUKN is the closest thing to it I've found.

As for sending stuff off topic, there's no need to worry about that here. Forums where people are punished for going off topic are like police states. Anyone who voluntarily posts in places like that is a masochist or a pushover. They're full of mods who redtext to show they are really angry and members who reply with a snivelling "sorry sir I won't do it again". We have good moderation here, ie: very little and only when absolutely necessary.
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Thanks again Ayase, your pretty much my internet guru :)
I equally despise (if not more so) the social networking and twitter side of the web and will never give in and be apart of that, real men don't get down with that.
Although funnily enough I would consider AUKN to certainly be one of the most civilized places on the web, which is why I frequent it.
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Certainly AUKN is one of the best and most sensible anime forums I have visited, in stark contrast to the to the weeaboo-magnet that is AnimeLeague.
 
Very interesting thread to read.

First of all, thank you Taka for the explanation about the different kinds of sign language, I had no idea about them personally. Whenever I have watched something on TV with someone signing it, I have often wondered about the range of vocabulary that you could have in sign language, but never really the grammar. fwiw, there are other posters on here who I thought/still think are largely trolling, but you are definitely not one of them.

Shirayuri said:
vashdaman said:
I think this is kind of like Japanese(no -ing or an equivalent) and it does seem a lot more logical then the English we speak to be honest.
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Am I wrong in assuming the continuous tense verb conjugations are roughly equivalent to '-ing' then?

Y'know, たべる/たべいます　－＞　たべている/たべています?
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I think he meant more like not really having a strictly defined future tense, and implying a lot of pronouns/conjunctions/object markers in speech etc.
 
If vocabulary word, we not know how to say sign it. But we will create own little language. It is important idea to each other. It is work hard because I have 100% focus watch to sign. Deaf people have plenty support example note, interpreter and have one to one talk.
 
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