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You do realise that video sites are VERY expensive to run. Though I do not agree with what they did, money they did receive went into paying the bandwidth cost which can cost thousands and thousands a month. But they did pocket some that was earned.
 
ilmaestro said:
Conan-san said:
I refuse to subscribe to crunchyroll on the basis that only around 33% of it's overall content is available for streaming in the UK.
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Is this true? o_O They must have a *massive* selection for US users, then.
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Most of their US exclusive content comes from either Toei (hates Europe, and everywhere they allow their content to be shown, insist on region restriction) or US anime distributers (Bandai Entertainment USA for instance)

For simulcasts, I've only really noticed the region restrictions stopping me from watching things I am interested in watching, and the only one that I'm really disapointed about is Yumeiro Patisiere. I've posted my disapointment, let them know that I'm disapointed, and told them that I'm watching it through other means anyway, since I'm paying as much as people who can watch it.


I understand peoples moral or personal reasons for not subscribing. Yeah, one year ago they were scumbags. But now they are a legal way to pay for what are still essentially fansubs. That money doesn't all go to Crunchyroll, some of it goes to the Japanese rights holders I'm sure. I'm happy paying for the privilige to watch anime, even if the people who did it used to be scumbags.

It's a good service, so if you don't have anything against the site, or can get over what it is you have against them, then I do recommend looking through their available series and if you like it, sign up!
 
Yeah, I'm happy enough with having 80% of their current simulcasts.

But as for the other stuff, I knew the Toei stuff was all out, hadn't thought of stuff coming straight from US distros. But does that on its own really come to twice as much stuff as the UK has access to?!

Also, do you know why the first ep of Fairy Tail isn't available? Or why Fairy Tail isn't listed in the general lists that miss out titles that are region locked, but can still be viewed fine?
 
ilmaestro said:
ayase said:
Er... what about P2P file sharing, where most of the videos submitted to Crunchyroll in the early days came from in the first place (usually without the subbers' knowledge) which Crunchyroll then charged people to watch at the same kind of quality they could have downloaded for nothing, as was the subbers' original intention.
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This isn't remotely the same service as streaming video.

It's clear that you still harbor some grudge against them for breaking "the code" of not making money from fansubs. I'm not sure how this is so easily separable from fansubs in and of themselves. Fansubs are morally accepted by most, I assume, because they are seen as a benefit to the industry, despite the number of companies in the industry who are against fansubbing. I see CR as an extension of this (something which is - or, in this case, was - illegal, but benefits the industry overall), rather than a branch of the same tree that I mentioned before, selling burned DVDs on a market.
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Both P2P downloads and streaming provide you with a video to watch, delivered via the internet. I'm not big on the different mechanics of each content delivery system, but for a similar quality file (the sort which Crunchroll charge for) I imagine you'd be talking about a similar download size.

It's not just that they made money from fansubs, it's that those fansubs were someone else's work, just as the video itself was someone else's work. Fansub groups may have stopped the original creators from earning as much as they otherwise would have done (which is debatable given the shows which have been licensed as a result of fansub popularity) but they have never profited from doing so. What Fudce says is partly true - they are using a different business model now, but that still grew out of the sale of things it wasn't theirs to sell, which is very different to fansub groups giving away things which aren't theirs to give away.

I'd liken Crunchyroll as it is now to a successful garage owner whose current car sales business is perfectly legitimate, but who made the money he used to start his business from selling stolen cars which he personally stole from other garages after they had restored them, a crime for which he was never punished. Is he doing anything wrong right at this minute? No. Is he deserving of his wealth and success, and would I want to support his business financially? No.

I accept that other people feel differently and that's fine, but you did want our opinions. :p
 
ilmaestro said:
Also, do you know why the first ep of Fairy Tail isn't available? Or why Fairy Tail isn't listed in the general lists that miss out titles that are region locked, but can still be viewed fine?
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Their licence for Fairy Tail is a strange one.

There's no region restriction to us, but each episode is only available to subscribers and only for 28 days. Once thems up, thems gone.
 
Fudce said:
ilmaestro said:
Also, do you know why the first ep of Fairy Tail isn't available? Or why Fairy Tail isn't listed in the general lists that miss out titles that are region locked, but can still be viewed fine?
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Their licence for Fairy Tail is a strange one.

There's no region restriction to us, but each episode is only available to subscribers and only for 28 days. Once thems up, thems gone.
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Right, cheers for the info. :)
 
ilmaestro said:
Yeah, I'm happy enough with having 80% of their current simulcasts.

But as for the other stuff, I knew the Toei stuff was all out, hadn't thought of stuff coming straight from US distros. But does that on its own really come to twice as much stuff as the UK has access to?!

Also, do you know why the first ep of Fairy Tail isn't available? Or why Fairy Tail isn't listed in the general lists that miss out titles that are region locked, but can still be viewed fine?
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That's nice for you and all but If I pay 100% of a subscription, I should expect all the channels that are on that subscription. If people fail in their business-fu then they don't get my money, end of.
And, whilst I certainly do not publicly condone such actions, I can imagine how individuals who are told to get to 'eff as far as legal streaming is concerned will fly right into the bousum of pirates who have no such qualms.

Take a look at their "Anime" Section, at least half of the shows offered there are blanked out to us tea sipping philistines.

Fairy Tail is a rubbish adaption and It's not worth paying the subscription for.
 
So you're complaining that the UK subscription is the same price as the US subscription, but you get less for your money? Do you also not buy anything where we get the same content as the US, but have to pay more? Because this applies to... everything? Ever? OK, slight exaggeration, but you get my point.

As for "take a look at their 'Anime' section"... which bits of the site did you think I was looking at? ^^;
 
I don't really feel like supporting them financially at the moment for a couple of the reasons previously mentioned. Their previous piracy issues and the limited access for the UK have put me off. But in the future if DVDs die off and digital distribution becomes the norm I can't say I would not pay if they were the best place to get things legally.

I have at times watched the odd bit on there like Shangri-La when I don't have any new DVDs or don't feel like watching what I have. I don't know if I feel that I would watch enough streaming shows to make it worth paying for.

Question to anyone that subscribes. Is the picture quality for paid access worth it?
 
I'm agreeing completely with ayase's view on Crunchyroll now that I'm enlightened as to their beginnings. Admittedly though I wasn't going to use them anyway.
 
Dracos said:
Question to anyone that subscribes. Is the picture quality for paid access worth it?
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My PC decided to cripple itself recently, and so I don't watch the HD streams any more, but when I could, they were pretty pretty. :)
 
Yeah, the picture quality is completely fine. You're not going to be fooled into thinking you're watching a Blu-ray, but it's not even playing the same sport as some sort of youtube level tragedy of low quality, never mind in the same league.
 
ilmaestro said:
So you're complaining that the UK subscription is the same price as the US subscription, but you get less for your money? Do you also not buy anything where we get the same content as the US, but have to pay more? Because this applies to... everything? Ever? OK, slight exaggeration, but you get my point.

As for "take a look at their 'Anime' section"... which bits of the site did you think I was looking at? ^^;
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I get your point, good sir, but it doesn't mean I have to like it any.

And they've changed thier page to apply ASPX voodoo to prevent THE TRUTH from being revealed from since I last checked.

And let it be known, first second they let me watch all of Black Jack is the second I turn a full 180 on the subject.
They have the power, now they just have to use it.
 
Conan-san said:
ilmaestro said:
So you're complaining that the UK subscription is the same price as the US subscription, but you get less for your money? Do you also not buy anything where we get the same content as the US, but have to pay more? Because this applies to... everything? Ever? OK, slight exaggeration, but you get my point.

As for "take a look at their 'Anime' section"... which bits of the site did you think I was looking at? ^^;
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I get your point, good sir, but it doesn't mean I have to like it any.
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Yep, can't disagree with you there. :)

And yes, they skillfully hide "THE TRUTH", lol. :D
 
So CR comes up with six simulcast titles for the new season (out of 12 new, regularly airing shows that I wanted to check out, which is pretty good), all of which will be available in the UK, and all of which (with the arguable exception of Chu-bra!!) are pretty good titles, certainly a step up from last season's offerings.

So what do the "won't pay because the US gets a better deal" crowd say to this?
 
I did a tally towards the end of last year on CR and TAN.

CR: 137 titles, we get 84. Thats 61%
TAN: 109 titles, we get 58. Thats just a shade over 53%

Of the titles on CR we don't get almost half are licensed (or were licensed) by ADV in the UK.
 
The Anime Network, what was originally ADV's anime channel but now does video on demand on some US cable suppliers and streaming over the internet.

The range of shows is rather limited as its all ADV licenses.
 
Project-2501 said:
I did a tally towards the end of last year on CR and TAN.

CR: 137 titles, we get 84. Thats 61%
TAN: 109 titles, we get 58. Thats just a shade over 53%

Of the titles on CR we don't get almost half are licensed (or were licensed) by ADV in the UK.
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Discounting titles from the likes of ADV and Bandai (and any other of the US folks) and Toei (hate the UK) what is the percentage of the Crunchyroll titles then? I was wondering that the other day to be honest.
 
ilmaestro said:
So CR comes up with six simulcast titles for the new season (out of 12 new, regularly airing shows that I wanted to check out, which is pretty good), all of which will be available in the UK, and all of which (with the arguable exception of Chu-bra!!) are pretty good titles, certainly a step up from last season's offerings.

So what do the "won't pay because the US gets a better deal" crowd say to this?
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It's still a better deal for the 'mericans. It might be Chu-bra, which has no hope of not sucking, but it's still one less show we have.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all or nothing. And not just Chu-Bra, I want everything that's region locked; Black Jack, the Toei stuff, Code Geass and Gundam 00 (I mean come on, an e-mail to Bezz would probably have that sorted in a second) all of the swill that Gonzo has put out ever, the list goes on.

Until people stop region locking everything, they don't get a red cent from me.

And keep in mind, they're fighting against free, as morally bankrupt as the free option is, and you don't fight free with red tape and ********.
 
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