13379 Actually Voddas i didn't get joint presents having a bday 10 days before Xmas turned out to be the ideal time, as it was too big a gap so no one got away with the whole "oh it counts as your xmas and bday" with me on the case "it's ten days, if it was five then yeah but 10 days? Who are you kidding! " So i got a nice amount of birthday and xmas presents :lol: why when is your bday in december?