BEEZ: Hopeful Revealing 2 New Licenses in the Near Future!

[Reaper gI]

You cannot go to trial if it's rated. A BBFC cert makes it 100% defintly legal to poses, distribute etc.

A ban makes it illegal to ditribute or import. These are rare outside of porn.

Unrated = illegal to sell unless exempt (the VRA). Can be tried under obscene publications if it's thought to break that.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

Pretty likely. Minors involved in violent scenes is nothing new. Somewhat different to showing a young girl trying to hang herself and jumping up and down laughing and saying 'me too' in the process. Its probably more that aspect of it than her actually trying to hang herself that got it cut. The UK has very odd laws about suicide.

It's not odd at all.

The law is as such
"You're all week willed peons who can't take scenes involving any means of extinguishing human life by means of hanging oneself untill one expires. Hence all media is banned from displaying this act."

I think the word you're looking for is "Stupid"

 

[Project-2501]

Hence all media is banned from displaying this act."

But its not. There are scenes in films etc. where someone comits suicide and its not been cut.

Brooks in Shawshank, Private Piles in FMJ (now downrated 15), Salieri in Amadeus to name a few. And in the FMJ you see his brains splatter all over the wall.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

Hence all media is banned from displaying this act."

But its not. There are scenes in films etc. where someone comits suicide and its not been cut.

Brooks in Shawshank, Private Piles in FMJ (now downrated 15), Salieri in Amadeus to name a few. And in the FMJ you see his brains splatter all over the wall.

By hanging? And I didn't say that a stupid law need be perfectly implemented.

 

[Project-2501]

Brooks hangs himself, however all you see is dangling feet. I'm sure I've seen others but can't remember film names.

But Brooks wasn't yelling 'me too, me too' as if its some game.

http://www.parentsbbfc.co.uk/filmDetail ... ilmID=1360

12A, go figure!

 

[Just Passing Through]

Don't forget Rick's comedy hanging in The Mummy.

I think with Paranoia Agent, the BBFC fell victim to the cartoons are for kids mentality, and assumed that all the Paranoia Agent discs would be bought for the little kiddies, regardless of the rating. It's the same imitable techniques paranoia that gets headbutts cut from Attack of the Clones and The Matrix.

 

[Cold Cobra]

One of these days I'll open this thread and the new posts will be about two new licenses for Beez...

 

[ilmaestro]

Genuine lol.

 

[memorium]

I think with Paranoia Agent, the BBFC fell victim to the cartoons are for kids mentality, and assumed that all the Paranoia Agent discs would be bought for the little kiddies, regardless of the rating. It's the same imitable techniques paranoia that gets headbutts cut from Attack of the Clones and The Matrix.

there is truth to that, manga and anime are pretty much stigmatised as for being for kids, it's probably, if not the exact reason why the Spice & Wolf volumes have explicit content stickers and are shrink wrapped

 

[Reaper gI]

It's not aimed at anyone under about age 25 tho' so that should be a non issue.
When stuff that is aimed at kids gets shrinkwrap I get more annoyed. Ichigo 100% etc. which are aimed at 10-15 year olds.

Seinen manga getting it at least makes sense.

Does always amuse me that the kids stuff tends to rack up the adult content warnings more often than adult series do. Same with DVD certs, PG/12 rated anime tends to be seinen, 15/18 mostly shounen.

 

[memorium]

It's not aimed at anyone under about age 25 tho' so that should be a non issue.
When stuff that is aimed at kids gets shrinkwrap I get more annoyed. Ichigo 100% etc. which are aimed at 10-15 year olds.

Seinen manga getting it at least makes sense.

Does always amuse me that the kids stuff tends to rack up the adult content warnings more often than adult series do. Same with DVD certs, PG/12 rated anime tends to be seinen, 15/18 mostly shounen.

i think the reason why some Seinen stuff ends up getting a 12 whereas Shonen ends up getting a 15 or an 18, is because the Seinen might not necessarily be explicitly violent/sexual, take Ah My Goddess for instance, as far as i know it's a Seinen and that gets a 12, whereas Bleach for example is usually a 15, just because Seinen aimed at men in their early twenties it doesn't mean that it has to be a 15 or an 18, look at Pride & Prejudice for example (i know it's not anime, but that's besides the point), that's a U, but would children really be able to comprehend that film's themes? No, it would take someone much older to actually understand what goes on in that particular film, the same, or at least, modified rules apply to anime and manga

Seinen, Shonen, Shoujo, Josei etc are just demographics, and as a result they are aimed more at that particular age group/gender more than another, but might be rated higher/lower than that particular age group

 

[Reaper gI]

Jump = grade/ middle schoolers
Naruto/Bleach should not be getting 15 certs, or even a 12.
These are saturday morning kids shows.
Don't mind seinen rating low it's the kids shows being so high that's odd.

Early 20s is what Sunday, Magazine and shounen Ace are aimed at. Also the Sneaker (Haruhi) and Dengeki Bunko.
Seinen is normly mid-late twenties with things like bussines jump at about 35+
The actual demographics are quite different to what people assume.

 

[memorium]

the original manga of Bleach is rated Teen, which if i recall is 13+, so a 12 cert from the BBFC for the anime version, sits about right in my opinion, a 15 is pushing it a bit

i wasn't saying Bleach should be getting a 15 cert, just using it in my example, and just because it's a kids show in japan, it doesn't mean that the BBFC would think otherwise, do remember, we are two completely different countires, with different morals and ethics, different ideas on what is right and what is wrong, at the end of the day, they call the shots, whether we like it or not

not only that, but i believe you haven't even touched these shows, which is what irritates me about your statement, because that means you don't understand the material, and just make the claim that it is for kids, even though, as Stu has said above me, that there is indeed use of profanity and of course, blood (although the jury is out on profanity, for example the japanese for excrement is usually translated as **** when it comes to subs), plus even though japan has different ethics, i would think that they would be a bit concerned as to what their children watch

which leads me to my next example, the Samurai Shodown OVAs, if i recall, the blood has it's colour changed to white, now seeing as this as far as i recall, has never been released outside japan, it hints at censorship in order to appeal to a wider audience/get the thing on a decent TV slot

 

[ConanThe3rd]

I think with Paranoia Agent, the BBFC fell victim to the cartoons are for kids mentality, and assumed that all the Paranoia Agent discs would be bought for the little kiddies, regardless of the rating. It's the same imitable techniques paranoia that gets headbutts cut from Attack of the Clones and The Matrix.

It's still a load of cock and I will continue to truthsay on the matter.

 

[Project-2501]

It's the same imitable techniques paranoia that gets headbutts cut from Attack of the Clones and The Matrix.

It dropped Attack of the clones from a 12 to a PG and the matrix from 18 to 15 and was done at the request of the distributors in both counts Lower rating = more viewers = more money. And the matrix is now uncut and rated 15 and has some additional footage of mouse which was supposedly never in the original film release.

 

[Reaper gI]

the original manga of Bleach is rated Teen, which if i recall is 13+, so a 12 cert from the BBFC for the anime version, sits about right in my opinion, a 15 is pushing it a bit

By Viz, not Sueisha. I've not known Japanese tankoubon to carry age ratings.
Only magazine I know that has an age rating given by publisher (i.e. not R-18 ) is Dengeki Hime's 18+ and that's an eroge review mag.

not only that, but i believe you haven't even touched these shows, which is what irritates me about your statement

I've seen the first 6 or so eps of Bleach (due to CR), and one of the films (dubbed, *shudder*). The film (diamond dust rebelion) was, at times, god awful; there was pleanty of realy "quality" animation.
The series so far was over simple but looks ok for 2004.
Can understand a 12 for the violence, don't see anything 15 worthy in the show.

Naruto I won't touch, it just looks too bad from screenshots, I won't sit through a show I hate the artstyle of. *


PS: * unless it contains kugimin, as a blue wing'd cat.
Which similarly shouldn't be rated a 15, but might be due to freequent punch ups and drinking.
PPS: If you can find any other endless shounen series that has a good female seiyuu in it, it may also be watched

 

[ayase]

Right because kids should be hearing swear words at 9am while watching there favourite ninja, I think not.

I don't see why not. What's a swear word? It's a Goddamn word. What's sex and nudity? Natural human behaviour. Violence? Ditto. Kids beat each other up all the time. Watersheds, censorship and ratings are all for pansies.

If parents wanna stop their kids seeing things, they can try. If kids wanna see those things, they will likely succeed anyway. What business any of that is of the government is beyond me (other than the fact they're authoritarian control freaks with a creepy plan for their idea of a "perfect society" which excludes normal human behaviour in favour of what they personally deem acceptable).

/soapbox

 

[Jaymii]

I don't mind swearing, I'm for it in fact, but I certainly don't want swearing on my Fairly OddParents, thank you very much.

 

[Vashdaman]

Right because kids should be hearing swear words at 9am while watching there favourite ninja, I think not.

I don't see why not. What's a swear word? It's a Goddamn word. What's sex and nudity? Natural human behaviour. Violence? Ditto. Kids beat each other up all the time. Watersheds, censorship and ratings are all for pansies.

If parents wanna stop their kids seeing things, they can try. If kids wanna see those things, they will likely succeed anyway. What business any of that is of the government is beyond me (other than the fact they're authoritarian control freaks with a creepy plan for their idea of a "perfect society" which excludes normal human behaviour in favour of what they personally deem acceptable).

/soapbox

I think it's easy to say all that, but at the end of the day when I have kids would I want them to wake up and watch saturday morning cartoons filled with graphic sex, violence and swearing? Of course not and surely not many people would. Sex and swearing may be normal human behavior but that doesn't mean kids have to have it bombarded at them when they want to watch cartoons and aren't really ready to understand such things, and to be honest I think we are bombarded with sex and violence enough as it is, let alone having it in daytime cartoons as well.

 

[ilmaestro]

Dengeki Bunko, and LNs in general, is the equivalent of teen fiction over here.

Shounen Ace is also, shockingly enough, a shounen compilation at heart. They even moved stuff like Eva and MPD Psycho to different magazines, and started publishing a seinen offshoot (Young Ace, where Eva runs now).