A Rant About My School
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CopperAlloy
Completely Average High School Student
ayase said:
Not if you kill them all, which is what I've already advised in this thread. Get them on a day they'll actually bother to attend, one with not too many lessons that require thought, and attack when they least expect it.
CopperAlloy
Completely Average High School Student
Arbalest said:
When a police officer captures a paedophile, do you think "Man, he's a dick for hassling that paedophile!"? At least my act of murder/vigilantism has a long term goal of being beneficial to society, whereas murders by Chavs are just steps in their never ending attempt to destroy all society and civilisation as we know it.
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CopperAlloy
Completely Average High School Student
fabricatedlunatic said:
Oh, man, LOL! I was kind of hoping more for a Hobo-With-A-Shotgun reference, but Steven Seagal is just as good.
Chavs are the antithesis to society. They can not understand, or choose not to try and tackle the subject of, the economical and social aspects of society. If you see a shop, you see an opportunity for trade. If they see a shop, they see an opportunity for theft, either simple petty shoplifting or holding people up at gun point.
I keep on trying to type up a post arguing my point here, but all I do is go into long, boring, dialogues about how Chavs just want to live the life shown to them in various media by "Gangsta Rap Artists" and the like which just isn't acceptable in the UK. I'll try to keep it short;
Rap started in America by people who were, due to economical constraints because of their race, stuck in ghettos and the rundown areas of inner-city areas where there was little to no government support. However, in the UK, there is plenty of support thanks to our socialist values. Yes, the unemployed may not be living the high life of caviare and expensive luxuries, but most have food on their table and roofs over their heads thanks to the £50 a week or more and the council houses. In America, you had to fight tooth and nail, here you're given a lift to the first step in climbing the economic ladder.
Chavs have taken the music and general attitude from the violent gangsta rap genre, and nonsensically added it to their own lives. They believe themselves to be fighting a never-ending battle against everyone else who they believe is trying to take things from them, but in real life, everyone is trying to give them things. Free education, Job Seekers Allowance, etc. "Iceberg Slim" may have had to fight for his life in the slums of Chicago, but [insert typically chavy name here] certainly isn't in the council houses of Croydon.
Christ, this is the third write up on my reply and it's still winding and boring, but the fact remains: Chavs/Bullies do not wish to improve themselves. Either the authority can force them to understand and accept how society works, or we need to remove them before they gain enough rights through age that can greatly increase the damage they cause, like reaching the legal drinking age or gaining the right to vote.
So, there's my justification of vigilantism. I may sound like a Cowboy Cop but all the talk of "Just Let Them Get Away With It" and defeatism around here pisses me off to no end.
I just allowed a chav/bully to piss about while I was at school, and three times he has come across me in the street and attacked me. I can't legally carry a knife to defend myself, I can barely even legally defend myself any other way, and the police are too distracted by other crimes they will get themselves promotions, like illegal immigrants, to do anything about it. I sincerely regret not sneaking up behind the guy at school and attempting to cut his throat. I would have been in a youth detention centre until I was 18, but at least I wouldn't be fearing to go out on to the streets because the authorities don't give a damn.
Don't repeat my mistake; kill them while the law won't punish you too much.
And now, I'm waiting for about ten posts reading "tl;dr".
CopperAlloy said:fabricatedlunatic said:
Oh, man, LOL! I was kind of hoping more for a Hobo-With-A-Shotgun reference, but Steven Seagal is just as good.
Chavs are the antithesis to society. They can not understand, or choose not to try and tackle the subject of, the economical and social aspects of society. If you see a shop, you see an opportunity for trade. If they see a shop, they see an opportunity for theft, either simple petty shoplifting or holding people up at gun point.
I keep on trying to type up a post arguing my point here, but all I do is go into long, boring, dialogues about how Chavs just want to live the life shown to them in various media by "Gangsta Rap Artists" and the like which just isn't acceptable in the UK. I'll try to keep it short;
Rap started in America by people who were, due to economical constraints because of their race, stuck in ghettos and the rundown areas of inner-city areas where there was little to no government support. However, in the UK, there is plenty of support thanks to our socialist values. Yes, the unemployed may not be living the high life of caviare and expensive luxuries, but most have food on their table and roofs over their heads thanks to the £50 a week or more and the council houses. In America, you had to fight tooth and nail, here you're given a lift to the first step in climbing the economic ladder.
Chavs have taken the music and general attitude from the violent gangsta rap genre, and nonsensically added it to their own lives. They believe themselves to be fighting a never-ending battle against everyone else who they believe is trying to take things from them, but in real life, everyone is trying to give them things. Free education, Job Seekers Allowance, etc. "Iceberg Slim" may have had to fight for his life in the slums of Chicago, but [insert typically chavy name here] certainly isn't in the council houses of Croydon.
Christ, this is the third write up on my reply and it's still winding and boring, but the fact remains: Chavs/Bullies do not wish to improve themselves. Either the authority can force them to understand and accept how society works, or we need to remove them before they gain enough rights through age that can greatly increase the damage they cause, like reaching the legal drinking age or gaining the right to vote.
So, there's my justification of vigilantism. I may sound like a Cowboy Cop but all the talk of "Just Let Them Get Away With It" and defeatism around here pisses me off to no end.
I just allowed a chav/bully to piss about while I was at school, and three times he has come across me in the street and attacked me. I can't legally carry a knife to defend myself, I can barely even legally defend myself any other way, and the police are too distracted by other crimes they will get themselves promotions, like illegal immigrants, to do anything about it. I sincerely regret not sneaking up behind the guy at school and attempting to cut his throat. I would have been in a youth detention centre until I was 18, but at least I wouldn't be fearing to go out on to the streets because the authorities don't give a damn.
Don't repeat my mistake; kill them while the law won't punish you too much.
And now, I'm waiting for about ten posts reading "tl;dr".
They haven't killed me, therefore it wouldn't be an eye for an eye here. I know they intend to do nothing with thier lives, but thats thier life. As far as i'm concerned, they gave me 5 years of hell, so I only have the right to give them 5 + 2 years for revenge, 7, years of hell. However, they have given many people 5 years of hell, so across just 5 people, that equates to 35 years of payback.
I'm not taking a more dramatic action that I need to.
CopperAlloy
Completely Average High School Student
Spyro201 said:
I'm not talking about "An Eye for An Eye" here, I'm talking about "Stopping the Cancer before it Spreads".
Spyro201 said:
No, they intend to do as much damage to society and other people as they casually can.
Spyro201 said:
I don't understand where maths comes into this; they are criminals, they deserve to die. Simple as that.
Spyro201 said:
So just kill them, rather than, say, kill them, kill two generations of their relatives, burn down their house and salt the ground.
I'm sorry, but they are criminals therefore they deserve to die? There is a few problems i have with this but it all comes down to this. Stealing a packet of crisps is a crime, and therefore you are a criminal, that person should be killed? For an extremely minor thing like that? No. Sorry. You may not have meant that, but the way you said what you did, makes it sound like anything, even if you got caught up in something accidentally that makes you a criminal means you deserve such a fate.
I've always believed that no matter what the crime, "killing" that person in question will never be the best solution. Thats just justified murder, and i'm sorry, no matter how you look at it, murder is murder. "An eye for an eye" is far more suitable to deal with them, however i'd still not go near the idea of killing them. You want to do that, fine, but that will make you just as bad as a chav as i've said before, if not as bad, worse, and so you'd deserve to be locked up, key thrown away, and never released.
I've always believed that no matter what the crime, "killing" that person in question will never be the best solution. Thats just justified murder, and i'm sorry, no matter how you look at it, murder is murder. "An eye for an eye" is far more suitable to deal with them, however i'd still not go near the idea of killing them. You want to do that, fine, but that will make you just as bad as a chav as i've said before, if not as bad, worse, and so you'd deserve to be locked up, key thrown away, and never released.
Kezwick_Osaka
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These recent posts are just reminding me of Death Note now. :roll:
I had to say it. D:
I had to say it. D:
CopperAlloy
Completely Average High School Student
Arbalest said:
Yes. Or, at least, that's the power that we, as human beings, have to enforce punishment on crime when we do not have the vast amounts of resources and manpower that the authorities have. The teachers have resources and manpower to punish these bullies, yet they don't. The police have the resources to investigate the bullies and imprison them, but they don't.
If the bullies are allowed to do what they do, they will only get bolder and commit crimes of greater gravity and depravity, like rape and (non-justified) murder. Since the police and teachers seem to be quite happy to create a new generation of rapists and murderers, it's your job in protecting your future in standing up against these bullies. Since they will only regroup and attack you if you do this, then lethal force needs to applied.
Arbalest said:
I didn't say anything about this. I'm talking about the inevitable escalation of crimes that will happen if action is not taken against these bullies and chavs.
Arbalest said:
That, frankly, is a foolish concept. How do you quantify suffering? How many days or years of living in fear convert into physical punishment that can be brought down upon these bullies and chavs? Also, after dealing this suffering and not being promptly and properly punished for it, how can we guarantee that the bullies and chavs can be safely let out into the world? And I'm not talking about petty revenge, I'm talking about preventing greater crimes that may cost the lives of innocent people.
Arbalest said:
Well, that's the difference between you and me. I believe that a person has a right to be able to go outside and not be mugged, murdered or raped by drugged-up and alcohol fuelled adolescents. Obviously, you must believe the opposite.
Frankly, events like the two 10/11 year old boys attempting murder in South Yorkshire just goes to show how poorly teachers are doing their jobs. There must have been hundreds of signs of the sheer negligence of common sense the two little thugs, yet all authorities that would have been watching them day in, day out, did nothing.
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