Just rewatched Patlabor movie 1 after not watching since 90s and tbh disappointed - perhaps a few spoilers

vineomarm

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Greetings, 1st post.

I did originally watch both movies, if I recall correctly, by borrowing them on VHS from a classmate sometime in the mid 90s. I remember enjoying them though do not remember any of the content other than that they were slow paced and 'serious'.

Firstly my dissatisfaction it isn't for the lack of action, since, as above, I already knew what they were all about in that regard. Actually quite the opposite. I liked the slow meandering none action scenes, especially the detective walk about the city part.

The problem is that the ending just felt anti-climactic. It felt like a gut punch from that hydraulic arm of the Type-0. They 'win' and that's it. After all that buildup about how much of a savant the evil guy was there is no resolution. I thought that would come with the bit where she goes up to the tower but no, again, that was a letdown - or maybe I miss some 'deep' philosophical meaning, a la NGE ending interpretations.

Ironically I read watch order recommendations before and saw, one stating to skip the Early Days series and go straight to the movies 1 + 2, and perhaps 3. Well on the contrary, although the zany comedy is a bit jarring in the ED ones I watched so far (first 3) I much prefer the character development and just slice of life of lowly police recruits fare of the series. Feels much more chill and somehow satisfying.

The problems with the movie are not so much the fault of this particular movie itself as much as I don't really like movies that much at all due to the extreme restrictions they have on time and having to pack so much into just a couple of hours. So not really a fair comparison to put a series against a movie but it could have been done much better within those limitations as many other movies can and do.

This watch has been part of my recent campaign searching for, or re-discovering mecha anime, having almost finished VOTOMS, and the obligatory rewatch of Neon Genesis - the latter which I thought atrocious and absolutely hated it, far more than I remember (I was waiting for this 'controversial ending' which is so much talked about, expecting for it to make up for the mediocre whole series and that turned out to be the WORST part!) - which I am sure will get backlash but that can be for another thread.

VOTOMs has been mostly light hearted fun. The different 'stages' is kept things interesting, though largely unnecessary, but an interesting change. I was not expecting too much for such an old anime. I let the cliche characters slide as it is more just nice to watch from a historical aspect to see how mecha anime was at its inception. I got totally bored coming to the last 3 episodes or so though and don't know if I will bother to finish it and if I do it will feel like work. Just totally lost interest with the final revelation of the main character, which I won't spoil here.

Seems my attention will now naturally turn to gundam.

For the record what I have been searching for is 'real robot', hard sci-fi, mecha. VOTOMs is good like that. Patlabor was promised to be one of the best examples but the issues above let it down with the movie for me. So any recs which might scratch the itch there are welcome. I didn't watch too many back in the 90s as access was harder of course before broadband internet, so it was just a case of what your friends happened to have. I also was in a very rural area so even less access to the latest media.

Not the same but just to mention, I recently got through the whole Fist of the North Star series which I must say was the most fun of all I have watched on my recent anime binging. Doesn't take itself too seriously and the post apocalypse setting is to my preferences in line with my general sci-fi penchant.
 
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I don't like giant robots as a genre per se, but there are some I have a lot of time for. Dai Guard is my go to, like Patlabor TV it's got a heavy dose of slice of life but it's more of an Evangelion clone, but here the twist is that it's the salarymen (and women) who ride the giant robot, and it's all from a Japanese business perspective.
 
I don't like giant robots as a genre per se, but there are some I have a lot of time for. Dai Guard is my go to, like Patlabor TV it's got a heavy dose of slice of life but it's more of an Evangelion clone, but here the twist is that it's the salarymen (and women) who ride the giant robot, and it's all from a Japanese business perspective.

I love Dai-Guard, what you said and also it's also hilariously funny with a great English dub - the humour in Patlabor TV was waaaay too dry for me (though I really enjoy watching Movies 1 & 2 with the Manga UK English dubs) but Dai-Guard is a delight (it also earns a lot of points for being like Martian Successor Nadesico but vastly less marred by sexism.) Full disclosure to OP: I love Evangelion, but apart from some very loose similarities in premise that are more technicalities than anything, they are really very different shows, and my reasons for liking each are very very different, so even if you can't stand Eva I would still def recommend Dai Guard, it's just so much fun but also yes relatively realistic on the robots front compared to many other anime :)
 
Much as I like the first Patlabor film (would probably rank it among my favourites, in fact), I think that’s a fair point about the ending. Once Hoba’s scheme is exposed, there aren’t really any further revelations in the story, it’s just the climactic action sequence followed by Oshii shouting ‘done now!’ with no real coda or epilogue to end on. “Did Kanuka Clancy die?” “DONE NOW”
 
Thanks for replies.
it's more of an Evangelion clone
Hmm, in what way? I didn't have a problem when it was a loosely action oriented show albeit a bit uninspiring. When it went off the rails into the avante garde stuff it just became insufferable. I was expecting some kind of weird taboo breaking shock type ending when I heard 'controversial' but then quickly saw it was going to be nothing like that.

What kind of mecha is this Dai Guard? Is is more the organic type thing of NGE? I found that kind of gross tbh and also I thought they looked stupid, like power rangers, although I know it has been praised in this regard by some for the 'bright colours'. Also the enemies just looked totally lazy and uninspired. Lets have a lanky one that looks like a mecha, then a cube (can't remember the order), now a ring, and now an illuminati eye random shape. I also saw this as a 'praise' by some for 'original' looking enemies. Just low effort imo.

Edit: Oh I just looked up Dai Guard and see it is the general premise of it that seems like a carbon copy of NGE.
the humour in Patlabor TV was waaaay too dry for me
Wait whaaaat? I am on a UK forum, where I expect people to have highly refined tastes for dry humour. Lol the humour was about as in your face, and thus undry, as is possible no? on the series? It is pretty much slapstick. Maybe we have different interpretations of dry...I would certainly like to hear how that Laurel and Hardy type of stuff with their bulbous faces when they get mad or emotional could be considered dry. :)

For a newer series I have seen a few recommendations for attack on Titan. Watched the first couple and don't have a particular problem with it except again uninspiring monsters - just big humans without skin, lol though that will not stop me from continuing it if there is gold to be had there, which seems there is from people's general high rating of it. Then again you never know, people rate NGE as an all time master piece among the likes of Ghost in the Shell or Akira - which truly deserve that spot, so take such things with a pinch of salt.

Anyway discussing anime is probably as fun as watching whether I liked a certain one or not so it is nice to be on a forum to be able to share my likes and dislikes.
 
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Much as I like the first Patlabor film (would probably rank it among my favourites, in fact), I think that’s a fair point about the ending. Once Hoba’s scheme is exposed, there aren’t really any further revelations in the story, it’s just the climactic action sequence followed by Oshii shouting ‘done now!’ with no real coda or epilogue to end on. “Did Kanuka Clancy die?” “DONE NOW”
It gets points for being in the 90s style of my formative years. Enjoyed some of the wide shots of the city as well as the slum districts when they are looking about.
 
What kind of mecha is this Dai Guard? Is is more the organic type thing of NGE? I found that kind of gross tbh and also I thought they looked stupid, like power rangers, although I know it has been praised in this regard by some for the 'bright colours'. Also the enemies just looked totally lazy and uninspired. Lets have a lanky one that looks like a mecha, then a cube (can't remember the order), now a ring, and now an illuminati eye random shape. I also saw this as a 'praise' by some for 'original' looking enemies. Just low effort imo.

Edit: Oh I just looked up Dai Guard and see it is the general premise of it that seems like a carbon copy of NGE.

The basic premise of an alien/otherworldy kaiju monster of the week is the same, but the giant robot aspects are completely different, and avoid the NGE mindfrell and psycho deep dive characterisations. The giant robot is a machine (not anthropomorphised in any way) built to fight the invaders, and at the start of the story, there haven't been any attacks in years, so the robot has fallen into the hands of a PR department of a corporation, and the bosses are so tight that they won't even pay to start it up at corporate events.

So when the monsters return, rather than give it to the people best suited to use the machine, the company decide that they can score points and get the PR dept to fight the invaders themselves.

I reviewed it here
 
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Ack I just (re)watched Battle Angel Alita (OVA not recentish movie!) and another tease! 2 episodes. 😢 I can't get no satisfaction.

World building (maybe world building is the wrong term as that means lore and stuff right? which of course there is little to none of in such a short runtime; more like aesthetic then) is phenomenal though in those few short minutes. Pretty much all one can savour in such a whistle stop tour. That is my conception of cyberpunk! Dark n gritty.
 
It always surprises me that they never tried to make any more Battle Angel Alita anime, but apparently the author was just not interested in pursuing it further, and that was the end of it.
Yup I read that after I finished watching and wanted to see what was up. His head was apparently not in it even for those 2 episodes and rather just wanted to continue focusing on the Manga.

It is like I said in another post, it is like with how some great consoles of the 90s never succeeded despite perhaps being as good or having more to offer than the competition but we can't experience the pressures they may have been under or commitments at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 and all. Of course he may have no regrets about it and just cba which is his choice.
 
Greetings, 1st post.

I did originally watch both movies, if I recall correctly, by borrowing them on VHS from a classmate sometime in the mid 90s. I remember enjoying them though do not remember any of the content other than that they were slow paced and 'serious'.

Firstly my dissatisfaction it isn't for the lack of action, since, as above, I already knew what they were all about in that regard. Actually quite the opposite. I liked the slow meandering none action scenes, especially the detective walk about the city part.

The problem is that the ending just felt anti-climactic. It felt like a gut punch from that hydraulic arm of the Type-0. They 'win' and that's it. After all that buildup about how much of a savant the evil guy was there is no resolution. I thought that would come with the bit where she goes up to the tower but no, again, that was a letdown - or maybe I miss some 'deep' philosophical meaning, a la NGE ending interpretations.

Ironically I read watch order recommendations before and saw, one stating to skip the Early Days series and go straight to the movies 1 + 2, and perhaps 3. Well on the contrary, although the zany comedy is a bit jarring in the ED ones I watched so far (first 3) I much prefer the character development and just slice of life of lowly police recruits fare of the series. Feels much more chill and somehow satisfying.

The problems with the movie are not so much the fault of this particular movie itself as much as I don't really like movies that much at all due to the extreme restrictions they have on time and having to pack so much into just a couple of hours. So not really a fair comparison to put a series against a movie but it could have been done much better within those limitations as many other movies can and do.

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This watch has been part of my recent campaign searching for, or re-discovering mecha anime, having almost finished VOTOMS, and the obligatory rewatch of Neon Genesis - the latter which I thought atrocious and absolutely hated it, far more than I remember (I was waiting for this 'controversial ending' which is so much talked about, expecting for it to make up for the mediocre whole series and that turned out to be the WORST part!) - which I am sure will get backlash but that can be for another thread.

VOTOMs has been mostly light hearted fun. The different 'stages' is kept things interesting, though largely unnecessary, but an interesting change. I was not expecting too much for such an old anime. I let the cliche characters slide as it is more just nice to watch from a historical aspect to see how mecha anime was at its inception. I got totally bored coming to the last 3 episodes or so though and don't know if I will bother to finish it and if I do it will feel like work. Just totally lost interest with the final revelation of the main character, which I won't spoil here.

Seems my attention will now naturally turn to gundam.

For the record what I have been searching for is 'real robot', hard sci-fi, mecha. VOTOMs is good like that. Patlabor was promised to be one of the best examples but the issues above let it down with the movie for me. So any recs which might scratch the itch there are welcome. I didn't watch too many back in the 90s as access was harder of course before broadband internet, so it was just a case of what your friends happened to have. I also was in a very rural area so even less access to the latest media.

Not the same but just to mention, I recently got through the whole Fist of the North Star series which I must say was the most fun of all I have watched on my recent anime binging. Doesn't take itself too seriously and the post apocalypse setting is to my preferences in line with my general sci-fi penchant.
I can see where you're coming from. Patlabor: The Movie is much more of a political thriller than a traditional mecha film, so if you're expecting a big emotional payoff or a climactic confrontation, the ending can definitely feel understated. I actually think the slower investigative scenes are the movie's strongest aspect too—they create a unique atmosphere that sets it apart from most mecha anime. If you're enjoying the Early Days OVA more, you're probably looking for stronger character interactions alongside the realistic mecha setting. In that case, continuing with Patlabor and then moving on to series like Gundam: The 08th MS Team or Flag might be more in line with what you're after.
 
Ah, Mamoru Oshii: a man that can either pull you in with his dense political world-building, or send you to sleep amidst trying to work out if there's any meaning whatsoever behind his obsession with birds, eggs, religion and basset hounds. Oh, and Hitler/WW2 vehicles. The sorta fella you can respect, love some of his work yet still find off-putting. I like more of his films than I dislike... yet the few I dislike annoyed me greatly. And I do not forget when people wrong meeee~ 🐘

The first post is insightful as to why the OP was displeased with the movie; especially the Eva mention that would have CitizenGeek (
found this thread searching for him. 2009 must've been... quite a time. I remember nothing wtf) turning in his grave, were he dead, for that is not a series about giant robots at all: 'tis a deconstruction of the genre, where Anno channeled his depression into his characters. It was not made for mecha fans, and became so beloved ironically because of that (...well, that and Asuka's skintight plugsuit). 'Tis similar in a sense to how Gundam was something more than what preceded it with its blend of real world WW2 history and sci-fi. In space. With robots.

Oshii - unless there's some oversight restricting him - would turn any established IP into a vehicle for his own arrogance, for Oshii only cares about Oshii. He's one of the most talented people that have ever worked in the industry but also has an artistic tunnel vision so narrow that he'd rival any autist obsessed with trains. His first big film of note, Urusei Yatsura 2, had him fall out with Rumiko Takahashi given it was such a tonal departure from her chaotic brand of comedy, whilst also switching the focus to a side character. A great film... but perhaps not a great UY film. Another example would be when he tried to write a manga, with Satoshi Kon as the artist: Kon grew so frustrated with Oshii's inability (or lack of interest) in writing a concrete story not just layered to the gills in birds/religion/Asian politics that the manga was dropped after 1vol.

With regards to Patlabor 1, I agree with the posts mentioning the investigative scenes - namely the montage scene(s?), exploring 'Old Tokyo' - as being the highlight of the film. His similar dialogue-less montage was my favourite part of Ghost of the Shell, too. Y'see, Oshii had an interest in the 'ghettos' that were left behind by the rapid modernisation of Tokyo. He liked contrasting the two, and excels at directing such moody montages; aided in no small part by Kenji Kawai's music. Heck, even UY2 had a trippy dream montage of sorts, also in 'Old Tokyo'. And like in GitS, he's adept when it comes to police investigation gooo stuff, so it was a good combination.

But I was never too taken with Patty 1. In truth, I was never fond of the TV series and its more comedic/monster-of-the-week schit, either. My issue with the film is I never cared about its villain, and Oshii seemed far more interested in bird symbolism than fleshing him out, sooo.... iuno. Patty 2 however - despite sending me to sleep the first time I tried - went on to become one of my favourite anime films. Here Oshii threw away any interest in pandering to Patlabor fans by sidelining its protagonists, whilst going all in on a political thriller plot so compelling that it would later be re-purposed by his disciple in GitS: SAC 2. The only Patlabor character I cared for was Goto and his somewhat lazy/funny yet razor sharp self. So a movie focused on him and a love triangle of sorts involving the villain of the piece, mixed with some of the the most tense political theater seen on screen, was a rare case of Oshii doing only what he wants working out.

You will note I did not mention mecha/robots once. In fact, the only action set-piece I still recall vividly involved fighter jets. To re-iterate, Patlabor 1 and more so 2 are Oshii films. Giant robots are just props. The first film is a detective investigation with a political edge, the second is an outright political thriller. Only the third non-Oshii film iirc was a film focused on robots taking on kaiju. Or something. It hath been too long... at some point I want to rewatch the OVAs/TV now I own them in HD.

...this ended up being longer than intended. In summary: a mecha fan would come away disappointed from Patty 1&2, so belatedly--STAY AWAY! Much like I was disappointed by GitS2 having dialogue solely consisting of characters throwing quotes at each other, back-forth. Or Angel's Egg having no dialogue whilst religious symbolism was merrily tossed around. He is undoubtedly a brilliant director; one that is equally skilled at alienating people. I would very much like to crack an egg on his head but, at the same time, he gave me some of my favourite movies. 'Tis a conundrum.

TLTR: Gundam is the best pick for 'real robot' people. There, both the characters and mecha hold sway. Gundam Origin/the manga is the definitive version of that sub-genre, or just in general Gundam UC timeline anime. Maybe: Zeta proved too dated for meee to get into, after Origin~
 
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