Virgin warns illegal downloaders: stop or face prosecution

[Ramadahl]

Hmm, interesting, guess I'll be getting a letter soon then. Eh, it was worth it to get those episodes of Kaiba...

Although on second thoughts I won't be getting a letter, as it's not technically my connection anyway... well, that's a fun conversation to look forward to, at least...

Honestly, the thing seems fair enough - plenty of ISPs throttle heavy users, Virgin's just decided to throttle them a different way.

 

[rick]

At the end of the day, alot of us on here dont have jobs (or at least not full time) because we're younger, or still in education, where do we get the money from? Part time jobs, or just odd jobs for other people (For younger people like me, parents, family, etc.)
We cant afford to buy all this music and anime (especially with the price of anime), just to be dissapointed.

I love it when people use these kind of excuses.

There isn't any justification for downloading anime or other media. If you don't have a job, get one, even if it's only some crappy £5.20 an hour saturday job at Homebase. At least it's enough to provide me with all the anime I want until I finish college and uni before getting a real job.

I'm not perfect; of course I watch some unlicensed anime, but I do blind-buy most of what I watch. Luckily my tastes are quite diverse when it comes to anime.

If you're unsure about a series, just get the first volume as cheap as you can to sample it. And unless you shop in the high-street, anime isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.

 

[shira]

I love it when people use these kind of excuses.

There isn't any justification for downloading anime or other media. If you don't have a job, get one, even if it's only some crappy £5.20 an hour saturday job at Homebase. At least it's enough to provide me with all the anime I want until I finish college and uni before getting a real job.

I live in the middle of no where, and belive me I have looked for jobs, and cant find any. And

If you're unsure about a series, just get the first volume as cheap as you can to sample it. And unless you shop in the high-street, anime isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.

Thats why we download t he first volume, we cant afford it, we download the first volume. However, its generally easier and quicker to download the full series and just watch the first ones. All the same, we end up buying it when we get the cash

 

[Ryo Chan]

At the end of the day, alot of us on here dont have jobs (or at least not full time) because we're younger, or still in education, where do we get the money from? Part time jobs, or just odd jobs for other people (For younger people like me, parents, family, etc.)
We cant afford to buy all this music and anime (especially with the price of anime), just to be dissapointed.

I love it when people use these kind of excuses.

There isn't any justification for downloading anime or other media. If you don't have a job, get one, even if it's only some crappy £5.20 an hour saturday job at Homebase. At least it's enough to provide me with all the anime I want until I finish college and uni before getting a real job.

I'm not perfect; of course I watch some unlicensed anime, but I do blind-buy most of what I watch. Luckily my tastes are quite diverse when it comes to anime.

If you're unsure about a series, just get the first volume as cheap as you can to sample it. And unless you shop in the high-street, anime isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.

not that i agree with the whole "i download anime cause i'm too poor to afford it" bandwagon

but wait till you leave uni, you'll find that buying anime and living at the same time ain't so simple for us on minimum wage.

as for the 1 dvd part

some of the best animes i own i wouldn't of bought judging from the first dvd, they tend to kick in round vol 3/4

 

[Liquid Skin]

I don't get why Virgin doesnt just limit the speeds at peak hours like all the rest do.

Its a well known fact that isps dont give a damn what you download, they only start caring when you're using a lot of their bandwith (which is ridiculous, we've got a "unlimited 1 meg broadband" package at home but my speeds get crippled to 10kb/s from 9am to around 9pm every day. They're the pirates in this instance for advertising 1 meg broadband and not providing)

Anyways long story short its another scare tactic. They'll let fly with these letters and do next to nothing about it unless someone is downloading and uploading terabytes of data. Wanadoo did the same to me, said they were going to cut me off for going over my download limit - the deadline came and went and they did bugger all. I got sick of waiting and cancelled our package, tsk if you want a job done well, do it yourself!

 

[chaos]

Why are people acting as though being stopped from illegally downloading copyrighted material is a infringement on your right to freedom or something? It isn't. And it's unfair to think yourself entitled to free music or movies that people have invested lots of money and hard work into. I applaud Virgin for taking this stand (even if they are only doing it to ease the pressure on their own bandwidth!)

That'd make you the first.

And possibly the only one. At least the only one outside the industry...

I'm not trying to stop y'all from destroying the entertainment industries you enjoy so much, but please don't act as though companies trying to protect their interests is a bad thing.

I don't see how...

The MPAA routinely asserts that the movie business is being decimated by piracy, but the press release announcing the Weekly Reader deal sits just below a far more interesting piece of news (PDF): data that shows the US box office doing its biggest year of business ever in 2007, growing 5.4 percent over 2006 and bringing in $9.63 billion.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... ofits.html

Problem is, their solutions and all their arguments are based on a money lost, as if there was some money being made by someone that is not the rightful owner!! It's like applying the the logic of a counterfeit... someone paying to it. Their logic is that one download is one less ticket / DVD sold, when truth is, it's not.

On the case of anime, I seriously can't see the bloom of anime that happened a few years ago without the internet and fansubs, so IMHO, anime industry would actually suffer without them. It's worth to remember that most of anime are aired in free TV originally. So why not make legal to stream anime (or other medias) in an inferior video / audio quality? Those who like, will eventually buy it.

That's my 2p's...

 

[awadama]

Money isn't really an excuse for stealing, unless you're in really bad circumstances.

I'm 21, I've only been in my job for two years and I'm earning a good enough wage (not megabucks, but a decent amount over minimum wage). It means I can afford whatever anime, manga, games, music, clothes or DVDs I want...and if, for whatever reason, I can't afford the thing I want, I wait until I can afford it (rather than, y'know..stealing a hat from Burtons).

Even with tax, NI and union membership fee coming straight out of my wages, general living costs, and a hefty student loan payment going out each month, I can still afford to buy luxury stuff.

I've got no special qualifications or skills, but I got myself into a stable job, with a good payoff.

It's sad that so many of you have the "I can't afford it, so I'll just steal it" attitude, rather than any obvious desire to improve your situation....

 

[Ryo Chan]

can i just ask how many of you people who have "jobs" are actually paying utility bills/mortgages/food ect and not just students?

I don't see how anyone can live and afford as alot of anime on £200 a week

 

[chaos]

Money isn't really an excuse for stealing, unless you're in really bad circumstances.

Yeah, I agree with that. Fansubs got us lazy and accommodated, we now believe we have a right to watch this stuff... which is not true.

I don't download things I can buy / rent. Problem is that I do want to see the latest one piece eps. of the last naruto one, but I'll buy them, once they are available. (Except for the fillers... )

 

[rick]

So why not make legal to stream anime (or other medias) in an inferior video / audio quality? Those who like, will eventually buy it.

Some companies have put legal streams on the net, like ADV's Welcome to the NHK or Gonzo's Druaga etc. FUNi even had episode 1 and 2 of Shuffle on their site for a while.

 

[chaos]

So why not make legal to stream anime (or other medias) in an inferior video / audio quality? Those who like, will eventually buy it.

Some companies have put legal streams on the net, like ADV's Welcome to the NHK or Gonzo's Druaga etc. FUNi even had episode 1 and 2 of Shuffle on their site for a while.

I know. I'm regularly downloading those shows and hoping this initiative is successful.

Tower of Druaga I'll definitely buy.

 

[shira]

It would be better really if, we could LEGALLY see the first few eps of alot of shows.

 

[chaos]

It would be better really if, we could LEGALLY see the first few eps of alot of shows.

I hope this happens some time soon. In my opinion they lose more business restricting "sample" viewing than actually giving them away. Because of that , I do hope this crunchyroll thing pick is really successful. But, let's wait an see how it turns out.

 

[melonpan]

you were trying to find a stream for code geass a few months ago

last i checked, that was licenced

Was it out on DVD? Is it even out on DVD now? Was there any kind of certainty about it even coming out? The answer to all those questions was no. Besides, I've said a number of times that I intend to buy Code Geass on DVD.

Not all of us can afford it. We dont want to buy anime/music/films and find out they are crap. We Download, if we like, we buy it, if we dont like it, we wont buy it, because we dont think its worth the money.

That's not a justification at all. It's not for you to decide what you deserve for free because you can't afford to pay for it. Sorry, but that's a weak explanation.

Maybe you should look harder for DVDs

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/search.html?so ... code+geass

I can imagine what the argument to this would be... "no English subtitles", but does that matter since you've already seen it?

 

[Sy]

I can imagine what the argument to this would be... "no English subtitles", but does that matter since you've already seen it?

Well yeah... I would think so. Even if I'd already seen it and know the story I couldn't really enjoy something untranslated.

 

[Ryo Chan]

I can imagine what the argument to this would be... "no English subtitles", but does that matter since you've already seen it?

Well yeah... I would think so. Even if I'd already seen it and know the story I couldn't really enjoy something untranslated.

doesn't change the fact

by that logic, i'm fine downloading japanese mp3's even though i don't understand them

So a Japanese person is fine downloading Take That cause they don't understand English

 

[Sy]

Hey I'm not saying i'm all for it I'm just saying that whats the point in buying something when you don't understand it.

Admittedly I did used to download fansubs but now it's a rarity and I just tend to buy DVDs straight off, risky but it's worked out ok. The only series that I really still get fansubs for is Lupin because of the sheer lack of English releases but if there's ever a hint of an English release then I'll be hitting the preorder button ASAP.

 

[shira]

It would be better really if, we could LEGALLY see the first few eps of alot of shows.

I hope this happens some time soon. In my opinion they lose more business restricting "sample" viewing than actually giving them away. Because of that , I do hope this crunchyroll thing pick is really successful. But, let's wait an see how it turns out.

Only problem with Crunchyroll that I found while watching some Yu-Gi-Oh is the sound quality is horrible. Sample episodes should still be of some sorta quality :lol:

I think the HMV offer was great at one point, Any anime DVD you bought you got episodes 1-2 of Bleach and Naruto. More offers like that would be great

 

[melonpan]

I can imagine what the argument to this would be... "no English subtitles", but does that matter since you've already seen it?

Well yeah... I would think so. Even if I'd already seen it and know the story I couldn't really enjoy something untranslated.

Who says you have to watch them?

The idea is simply to give money to the people who made the series. If you've already seen it then you don't need to watch the DVD.