The Euro in the UK
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I know, but since I was born in the UK, I'd be proud to be called it when the rules were one thing. Changing the rules for that group of people I'm included in may make me feel more proud or less proud in certain areas (i.e. economy). However, if outside attributes had changed the group so much, I'd feel less proud of being British as it wouldn't be anything like the original definition.ayase said:
But I am a guy that's not much of a traveller, so I'm not effected much by the £/Euro transfer rate. I'm just being a little selfish, but I'm allowed to be greedy to some point, can't I?
(Rhetorical)
ayase
State Alchemist
Chaz said:I know, but since I was born in the UK, I'd be proud to be called it when the rules were one thing. Changing the rules for that group of people I'm included in may make me feel more proud or less proud in certain areas (i.e. economy). However, if outside attributes had changed the group so much, I'd feel less proud of being British as it wouldn't be anything like the original definition.
But I am a guy that's not much of a traveller, so I'm not effected much by the £/Euro transfer rate. I'm just being a little selfish, but I'm allowed to be greedy to some point, can't I?
Of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
What I'm saying is that you (and probably the majority of Britons, if this and other polls are anything to go by) see the pound as part of your identity. Some people (me included) don't. And that's very much a personal choice thing.While I can't deny it would make travelling etc a lot easier, I'd still rather not switch.
For whatever reason, our prices probably wouldn't change that much if at all. I'd be skeptical whether we'd have the same prices as the rest of Europe, based on the fact we, in the UK, have to pay a lot more tax on various things.
I don't do economics or anything, so I don't how things like that work or would change etc, so I'm probably wrong. But I'd prefer not to find out.
For whatever reason, our prices probably wouldn't change that much if at all. I'd be skeptical whether we'd have the same prices as the rest of Europe, based on the fact we, in the UK, have to pay a lot more tax on various things.
I don't do economics or anything, so I don't how things like that work or would change etc, so I'm probably wrong. But I'd prefer not to find out.
I suppose, regarding the Ayase/Chaz discussion, that it hinges on whether you see yourself as a citizen of England/Scotland/Ireland/Wales, a citizen of the UK, a citizen of Europe or a citizen of the planet itself.
I believe that I tend more towards the latter part of the scale, hence not really caring so much about keeping cultural integrity and just wanting to snap up convenience/simplicity instead
R
I believe that I tend more towards the latter part of the scale, hence not really caring so much about keeping cultural integrity and just wanting to snap up convenience/simplicity instead
R
I'm absolutely in favour of embracing the Euro fully. The Euro has been strenghtening massively since its inception and with the Dollar and Sterling getting weaker it would do us huge favours to be part of the Euro.
Until I'm presented with facts as to why Britain shouldn't embrace Europe and be part of it more, I'm all for being fully integrated into its system. Parliament will always remain as it is, it'll just become like the USA where the country as a whole has its agenda but each 'state' has their own set of rules... Britain will always be Britain, just more powerful if we're part of Europe fully.
Until I'm presented with facts as to why Britain shouldn't embrace Europe and be part of it more, I'm all for being fully integrated into its system. Parliament will always remain as it is, it'll just become like the USA where the country as a whole has its agenda but each 'state' has their own set of rules... Britain will always be Britain, just more powerful if we're part of Europe fully.
ayase
State Alchemist
However, the cost of living in France is lower - lower property prices, cheaper food - so in real terms we're still worse off.Ramadahl said:
melonpan's United Europe idea is exactly what the founders of the EU envisioned - a Union with as much (if not more) economic power than the United States: and the diplomatic power that comes with it. It does make a lot of sense. Look who's calling the shots in the world today. I think our government's just too scared to give up it's cushy position as America's right hand man when actually, a Britain fully integrated into Europe would probably be listened too a lot more, and thus have more of an impact on the world.
This suddenly made me think of the recent "love competition" thread. :lol:
"Our heroine, Britainnia, is torn between bossy Uncle Sam, who is quick to anger, and doesn't really respect her, but sticks by her through everything - and Europa, who constantly argues with her, doesn't know what she wants, but secretly longs for Brittania to make her whole."
CitizenGeek
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ayase said:
I'm actually fairly certain that such a superstate was not the intention of those who signed the Treaties of Rome. In fact, they merely established organisations for fostering trade and atomic science between the initial 6 member states.
A federalist union, like that of the U.S., would never properly work for Europe anyway.
Mollfie said:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Operation_LIONCASH
Consider yourself educated.
Now, go forth, and affix each of your bills.
chaos
The Boss
Just did 20 quid. When will lion cash be the world's currency?
Back on topic, most nordic countries does have more taxes than UK and the cost of living is about the same. Also, I don't think it's fair to take London as a base, friends in Cambridge say things are more expensive here (and cambridge is only 1 hour away) and when I was living in Belfast, rent / food / almost everything else were half the price I pay here in London now.
Back on topic, most nordic countries does have more taxes than UK and the cost of living is about the same. Also, I don't think it's fair to take London as a base, friends in Cambridge say things are more expensive here (and cambridge is only 1 hour away) and when I was living in Belfast, rent / food / almost everything else were half the price I pay here in London now.