Thank God Crunchyroll!!!!

[Paradox295]

Well I can varify he is seeing CR's output cause right now I'm looking at Naruto Shippuden Ep. 180, and earlier I watched an ep of Skip Beat before that. I'm also using Sky Broadband.

Erm those are supposed to be avilable here.
Can you check something that isn't, like Haruhi.

Sorry, I'm a bit of a late comer to this as I was under the impression that none of CR's output was available to the UK. Haruhi is listed as "Not licensed to the UK. However regardless if it was, or not quite frankly it was only a test. I have no interest in subscribing to a pirate fansub site, even if it is now legit in some back handed way so I shan't be returning any time soon. :wink:

so that would mean ur not going to use any form of streaming or torrent, cause they were all founded by pirates

Don't forget that also means he can't watch any form of subtitled anime whatsoever, since that was created by pirates, too

 

[Rui]

Erm, what?

I completely understand Mohawk52's point of view here, though I'll no doubt end up caving and adopting Crunchyroll or some future streaming platform one day in a few years' time when my rate of consumption finally exceeds DVD supply/backlogs. It's not mandatory to support piracy if you like anime, you guys.

R

 

[ilmaestro]

How can you understand Mohawk's POV, when it makes no sense whatsoever? The "new" CR couldn't be any more legit if it tried, since it has the explicit support of the Japanese industry.

I have no interest in subscribing to a pirate fansub site, even if it is now legit in some back handed way so I shan't be returning any time soon. :wink:

This is at the very best massively disingenuous, and is only saved by the fact that the vague "wink" might mean that he knows full well that he isn't actually "telling it how it is".

 

[Paradox295]

Erm, what?

I completely understand Mohawk52's point of view here, though I'll no doubt end up caving and adopting Crunchyroll or some future streaming platform one day in a few years' time when my rate of consumption finally exceeds DVD supply/backlogs. It's not mandatory to support piracy if you like anime, you guys.

R

 

[Shiroi Hane]

What annoys me is you never see people wailing that YouTube used to be a pirate site - and unlike Crunchyroll they still have lots of unauthorised content alongside all the legitimate videos they're hosting.

 

[Ryo Chan]

What annoys me is you never see people wailing that YouTube used to be a pirate site - and unlike Crunchyroll they still have lots of unauthorised content alongside all the legitimate videos they're hosting.

obviously you missed my "streaming comment"

and how can you "use to" yet "still be" a pirate site, surely you're on or the other

 

[VivisQueen]

Awesome! Gundam Unicorn is available to the UK posse. YAAAH!

 

[Aogu]

Surely you can just use a proxy and hop on the US only ones?
It's not hard to get Hulu to work that way... I have to do it to get on the internet anyway!

 

[Jaymii]

What annoys me is you never see people wailing that YouTube used to be a pirate site - and unlike Crunchyroll they still have lots of unauthorised content alongside all the legitimate videos they're hosting.

When was it ever a pirate site? It's always been made for user-created content. CR wasn't, hence that one being a "pirate" site at one time.

 

[Rui]

Paradox: I really don't understand the point/joke you were trying to make, so posting a pic in response doesn't help. IYSWIM. How is all subtitled anime in the entire world pirate-sourced?

It felt like Ryo and Paradox were just making a spectacle of Mohawk on the assumption that he must use other illegal sources if he boycotts CR. I question whether that is necessarily the case.

I think that the issue with Crunchyroll is that a lot of people feel they forced the situation by building up their fanbase in an illegitimate way then turning on the charm later on. As I said, I'll probably fold and become a full subscriber one day in the near future, but I understand why people are still sensitive about them given their very recent history. It wasn't that long ago when they were regularly causing headlines for all of the wrong reasons in the community.

YouTube is a similar situation. They do police illegal content better than the notorious "old CR" did but the vast majority of material up there is completely unauthorised and nobody cares unless someone files a formal complaint. It's then the work of a moment to reupload the illegal material anyway. However, the portals with no history of dodgy material tend to be entirely US-only or terrible, so it's only a matter of time before people like me forget our annoyance and come around. Crunchyroll is definitely the best of the platforms around at the moment in terms of supporting people outside of the US and offering a wide variety of shows (even drama!) so if nothing changes it's inevitable that it's where I'll end up some day. Doesn't mean I'm quite ready to forget their previous attitude yet though, especially with such a large DVD backlog to keep me company.

R

 

[Ryo Chan]

It felt like Ryo and Paradox were just making a spectacle of Mohawk on the assumption that he must use other illegal sources if he boycotts CR. I question whether that is necessarily the case.

No what i'm saying is the technology used for these things were created by pirates, therefore even if it's a 100% legit company if you're going to use the fact that crunchy was "run by pirates" and you won't even watch a 100% legit channel that uses video streaming, as it's technolgy created by pirates.

It's like a German ww2 inteligence officier refusing to use the internet because it was a device created by the allies to help break their codes.

 

[Project-2501]

But it appears that most of the original freetard userbase of CR has up and left for other places which mostly seem to just distribute rips of CRs premium content.

CR may have been a hive of illegality but when you go legit, start charging money, region lock content and make the non-payers wait 7 days the leecher users mostly get in a strop and bugger off.

 

[Mohawk52]

How can you understand Mohawk's POV, when it makes no sense whatsoever? The "new" CR couldn't be any more legit if it tried, since it has the explicit support of the Japanese industry.

I have no interest in subscribing to a pirate fansub site, even if it is now legit in some back handed way so I shan't be returning any time soon. :wink:

This is at the very best massively disingenuous, and is only saved by the fact that the vague "wink" might mean that he knows full well that he isn't actually "telling it how it is".

I can assure you all that I am most genuine and serious about this. It's the principal of the thing. Also I am renown for being a dub fan so my intolerance for anything subbed is very strong therefore very few titles in my collection are sub only. BTW where has it been reported that it was the Japanese what gave CR the readies to go legit? I don't remember any report saying who gave them the dosh, just that they got it "from a group of investers". If those were Japanese then I consider that money as ransom paid to try and lure CR away from their evil deeds. I can guarantee you if that money stopped CR would cut the company flags and hoist the Jolly Roger back up faster than you could say "pirate". You guy's seem to be more forgiving as you are getting your instant gratification anyway and no doubt have used CR way before they went "legit" and most likely still use the others that are not yet in the harbour of legitimacy , so I can see where your positions are as well. I have not, and will not do that. To each their own. :wink:

 

[Zin5ki]

You guy's seem to be more forgiving as you are getting your instant gratification anyway and no doubt have used CR way before they went "legit" and most likely still use the others that are not yet in the harbour of legitimacy , so I can see where your positions are as well.

Such is the manner by which many British anime fans come to gain an initial interest.
Of course, this may change as word of mouth about CR grows in schools and universities, provided the service becomes sufficiently comprehensive to compete with more "traditional" online sources.

 

[Mohawk52]

Allow me to clarify one point made earlier. If someone like Sky developed a streaming service similar to CR, I would most likely sign up for it. Sky wasn't an illegal den of fansubbers and pirates at it's conception. Bit torrents weren't invented by fansubbers and pirates, just used by them as a means to an end.

 

[Reaper gI]

I can assure you all that I am most genuine and serious about this. It's the principal of the thing. Also I am renown for being a dub fan so my intolerance for anything subbed is very strong therefore very few titles in my collection are sub only. BTW where has it been reported that it was the Japanese what gave CR the readies to go legit? I don't remember any report saying who gave them the dosh, just that they got it "from a group of investers". If those were Japanese then I consider that money as ransom paid to try and lure CR away from their evil deeds. I can guarantee you if that money stopped CR would cut the company flags and hoist the Jolly Roger back up faster than you could say "pirate". You guy's seem to be more forgiving as you are getting your instant gratification anyway and no doubt have used CR way before they went "legit" and most likely still use the others that are not yet in the harbour of legitimacy , so I can see where your positions are as well. I have not, and will not do that. To each their own. :wink:

CR got US venture capital investment, then went to the Japanese licensors. That's been stated publicly by them. Something along the lines of we'll shut if you want us to but we have a large enough base to be a viable market, and wish to turn this into a viable legitimate business.
They then got money from TV Tokyo and Bitway, this year.

Never used CR before it went legit, used it first due to Saki.
I'd never touch a stream that wasn't legit. They're inferior to download in every other respect. Did also read the early "interview" with them which made it fairly clear your money went mostly to the licensor of things you actualy watched.
It provides a method for those of us seeking "instant gratification" (who are 20-50 times the size of disk buyers) to contribute to the industry at all. Prior to this we only had fansubs. There's still the long list of shows which are HD (720p) broadcast (therefore fansub) but aren't on BD (and it's even worse for English releases) as well.

 

[ilmaestro]

Also I am renown for being a dub fan so my intolerance for anything subbed is very strong

Never mind then.

"Wink"

 

[Shiroi Hane]

What annoys me is you never see people wailing that YouTube used to be a pirate site - and unlike Crunchyroll they still have lots of unauthorised content alongside all the legitimate videos they're hosting.

When was it ever a pirate site? It's always been made for user-created content. CR wasn't, hence that one being a "pirate" site at one time.

Youtube may have been made for "user-created" content, but since day one it has always been used for uploading copyright material, arguable the majority of the content (at least before camera phones became popular with teenagers anyway). It is only relatively recently that it has started being used as a platform for legitimate streams - and my point is that they continue hosting a shed manufacturer's warehouse-load of illegal content while CR doesn't have any.

 

[SuzakuviaBritannia]

So it seems simple that if the money goes back to the investors and the money cycles between the licensee and licensor Japan still gets paid for what you sign up for an watch which in turn creates more good will between anime companies on both sides, add the fact Japan gets the numbers of people watching and it gives them the idea of what people want and not to mention anime companies will pick up series faster so then there is almost no wait period = a win win for everyone but of course people will still see negative in this

 

[Jaymii]

Youtube may have been made for "user-created" content, but since day one it has always been used for uploading copyright material, arguable the majority of the content (at least before camera phones became popular with teenagers anyway). It is only relatively recently that it has started being used as a platform for legitimate streams - and my point is that they continue hosting a shed manufacturer's warehouse-load of illegal content while CR doesn't have any.

And my point was that CR was created and intended for fansubs and illegal streaming. It was specifically made for that. If YouTube was specifically made as an illegal Hulu, it would be the same - but it wasn't. It was created as being a basic video sharing tool, it never specialised in anything, really. It tried to enforce user-generated material (which, I'd argue, used it before much pirate material appeared on it).

It just seems like a weird argument to make, but I'll leave it at that.