Shonen Jump asking for illegal Manga scans to stop

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In issue 20 of Shonen Jump Magazine they have made Passionate plea for people to stop releasing illegal scans of it popular Manga series on-line. Shonen Jump is the biggest Manga comic magazine in Japan and has circulation of 2.8 million readers and has series such as One Piece, Naruto, Bleach & Hunter X Hunter within in its pages.

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I'm fully supportive of that.

Piracy in any form slowly kills industries. That's a fact.

It's heartening to see one of the heavy-hitters tackle this problem within its pages.
 
I'm sure someone will say otherwise :) Copying is not stealing perhaps or the old one about how lending is in the human nature.

Best of luck to them though.
 
HdE said:
Piracy in any form slowly kills industries. That's a fact.
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I don't have the source to hand, but I did link it in another thread relating to the Digital Economy Bill.

It has been shown those who pirate on average spend twice as much on it as those who don't pirate.

My source was a ThinkTank, by the way.
 
Why? If I didn't read scanlations, I wouldn't be looking forward to Bakuman and Psyren, which are being released in English later this year.
 
Paradox295 said:
Why? If I didn't read scanlations, I wouldn't be looking forward to Bakuman and Psyren, which are being released in English later this year.
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By the same token, mind, it's awfully hard for someone who has read up-to-date on recent Naruto chapters by way of scanlation to commit to purchasing the extensive catalogue of volumes available--not just because it's so costly, but also because they've already read it.
 
stuart-says-yes said:
Uppa said:
Paradox295 said:
Why? If I didn't read scanlations, I wouldn't be looking forward to Bakuman and Psyren, which are being released in English later this year.
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By the same token, mind, it's awfully hard for someone who has read up-to-date on recent Naruto chapters by way of scanlation to commit to purchasing the extensive catalogue of volumes available--not just because it's so costly, but also because they've already read it.
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The worst part is that if you stopped reading naruto from today and waited for the official release , you would have to wait a year or so for this weeks chapter :cry: .

surely a crunchyroll for manga wouldn't go amiss then?
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A crunchyroll for manga would be the best option for Shueisha if they wanted to stop scanlations, although, I do like the idea of a certain scanlation group who scanlate series, but take down the scans when they have been released as Tankoubans in Japan
 
It's not been brought up for a while, but since last time I've had a little think about piracy and have come to the following conclusions, not specific to anime and manga but to all illegal downloading:

Being able to download things for free should be a great thing. Fair-minded people with enough money can try something first and then buy if they enjoy it, and people who can't afford it have gained access to an experience they otherwise couldn't have. Before, the latter group wouldn't have bought anyway, so the industry isn't damaged by them.

However, it is damaged by a final group of people who also seem to be the largest; Those who could afford the product, but prefer to rip it off and instead funnel their cash into superfast broadband to steal even more, faster. But what geared a large part of society to act in such a greedy, selfish way? Consumerism. Telling you more is better since they realised that otherwise, everyone would have everything they wanted and stop spending. Except the people who originated the consumerist model didn't reckon on the internet - Now people can have all the entertainment they could ever want for a fraction of the cost. Legal, illegal... who really gives a toss? They're just words. People only obey laws they don't agree with for one reason; fear of being caught and punished, something which is unlikely to happen online.

Piracy is unfortunate for the genuine artists who lose out (ie; those who create what they want, not what will be popular). However I'll lose no sleep over the "industries". It's the entertainment industries which turn out the same crap over and over again who complain the loudest about piracy - because they're interested in money, not art. So f*ck 'em. Art shouldn't be free. But it should be art. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to copyright that slogan. ;)
 
Godot said:
It has been shown those who pirate on average spend twice as much on it as those who don't pirate.
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And I'm pretty sure that you could find another survey that shows that those who pirate, on average, don't even have any money to spend on stuff.

What would be a good figure for how many people download an episode of a big new show this season, say, Angel Beats? On one tracker, I can see that the first sub that was released has been downloaded *over 30,000 times*. How many copies would this sell if it was released in the US? My guess is somewhere in the region of a tenth of that *at most* and that's if it was actually pretty successful.

I can believe that people who pirate spend more than those who don't - if by "those who don't" we're including people who neither pirate nor spend money on stuff. Also, I figure the numbers get swayed by the fact that the absolute biggest spenders likely pirate stuff too, which would not be representative of the group as a whole since these are the people most likely to still spend the money even if they couldn't pirate something first.
 
Not to mention that I believe the exact survey was on people who "admit" to pirating, therefore some interpretation is needed there as well.

Working backwards a little, I remember that Geneon once famously stated that their R1 release of Rumiko Takahashi Anthology sold in the region of 100 copies per volume (sadly, I did not miss a zero there). I strongly suspect that it was torrented quite a significant amount of times in comparison; anyone better versed in torrent sites can feel free to check (bear in mind it's also known by its Japanese title of Takahashi Rumiko Gekijo/Gekijou/Theater depending on the site - but I expect pretty much any tracker listing it got more than 100 downloads all on its own).

It was a nice little show, too. A little scary what a large percentage of its total sales much have been to overseas buyers like myself.

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I have a mixed feeling about piracy, but I must agree that in a way it's all due to the immediate satisfaction culture that was created around us.

I did dl loads of shows back in the day, right now, I buy everything, even those shows I've pirated earlier. More often than not, I feel like I'm missing something, as I can't discuss the newer shows with people.
 
I do download, but if and when they become available to buy, I do buy them. Most of my recent purchases have been stuff I've downloaded previously. Studios don't lose out from my downloading, as long as their stuff actually gets released here.

And because of this, I have also ended up buying stuff I would never have bought if I hadn't seen it for free previously. I wouldn't have risked spending money on it due to being unsure if I would have liked it at all. Which can be due to misleading trailers. One example being Eureka Seven. From the trailers, I thought it was some kind of sports airsurfing show :lol: I wouldn't have been interested in that. But I took a risk at downloading it and it paid off massively and I have since bought it.

But I realise I may be in the minority in this.
 
I like the way that they approached it, it's definitely heartening, but a part of me is still glad they exist? >_<, I've lost count how many times a certain online manga site have helped me get into manga and try a new series. I suppose I'll just continue reading it online, feel a little guilty, but I might as well make use of what's already there...

Either way I appreciate manga more than ever now
 
To be fair i read scans online but i do pick up the tanks once i'm able, there is unfortunately some exceptions to this but my hands are tied since no one seems willing to bring the license over here and translate the volumes again. I find scans a good way to test the waters.
 
This plea is directed more towards Japanese creating RAW Scans than to the people translating their Manga into other languages for free. You can't really blame them as Shonen Jump was selling 6.5 million at its peak with Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, etc. Now Shonen jump with much stronger line up it sells near half of its peak with 2.8 million readers.

One Piece GN sales clearly show its now much bigger series now than dragon ball with it having so many of Manga sales records now like:

1.) Fastest selling manga to reach 100 million sales
2.) Highest 1st week sales
3.) Quickest 2 million sales

It show how much a hit Shonen Jump is taking because of RAW scans appearing on-line days before actual release day. It real shame as shonen jump is quite cheap to buy at only 250 yen (£1.80) an issue but you can see why people going for online scan when the paper/print quality is like this normally:

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That's a good point, i didn't realise it was just on about the people putting up the japanese raws, although how are they getting hold of the pages before its release?
 
Ok, If places like [mangahostingsite] have to stop doing the weekly bleach, nar etc thats gonna blow, because like it would mean it would take forever to be able to catch up espesh at the rate we get the manga volumes we'd be like a year behind and all, if they released the manga volumes straight after x amount of chapters were released i suppose that wouldn't be too bad but even so, it's not like the online scanlations are killing manga, infact its the opposite, its bringing it to people all over the world and well in my experience anyone who reads nar, bleach etc online all buy the volumes when they come out, i have all the bleach, d.gray-man, naruto (well shippuuden manga) and soul eater and i probably wouldnt have them if i hadn't started reading them online, same case for my friends. and when you think that i've spent the best part of £400 worth of manga i am hardly killing the industry.
 
Lockon GN006 said:
Ok, If places like [Manga Hosting site] have to stop doing the weekly bleach, nar etc thats gonna blow, because like it would mean it would take forever to be able to catch up espesh at the rate we get the manga volumes we'd be like a year behind and all, if they released the manga volumes straight after x amount of chapters were released i suppose that wouldn't be too bad but even so, it's not like the online scanlations are killing manga, infact its the opposite, its bringing it to people all over the world and well in my experience anyone who reads nar, bleach etc online all buy the volumes when they come out, i have all the bleach, d.gray-man, naruto (well shippuuden manga) and soul eater and i probably wouldnt have them if i hadn't started reading them online, same case for my friends. and when you think that i've spent the best part of £400 worth of manga i am hardly killing the industry.
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I think you're a little confused, the manga hosting site you mentioned doesn't translate the series, they just host the pages, so if Sheuisha does take down that site, you will still be able to read them, because Manga translating groups put the pages up elsewhere
stuart-says-yes said:
BlackWolf said:
That's a good point, i didn't realise it was just on about the people putting up the japanese raws, although how are they getting hold of the pages before its release?
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I think some places get it early, like some shops and subscribers or I've also heard its leaked by the editors
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Well, I heard from the manga scanlating group that I use, that they buy their own magazines, but they still get Naruto/Bleach/One Piece chapters out early thursday morning, even though Jump is released in Japan on Mondays.

Although, this week's Bakuman chapter said something about preview issues, maybe they get their hands on those?
 
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