Puella Magi Madoka Magica
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Paradox295
Pokémon Master
You could also say the same for Steins. Probably cos this year's been great in terms of anime.Ark said:
ilmaestro
State Alchemist
No, S;G is going to be a lot of people's show of the year I'm sure, but it does not have the same buzz as Madoka did, and will not take the same place in anime "history". It's amazing how big S;G has become, though, but saying that the VN was exceptionally well regarded and the anime has been getting a heavy advertising push in Japan ever since last summer.
BD rips still kind of make me upset, though.
Ah, OK, people use put "fixed" when they have cheekily altered the post they are quoting.Paradox295 said:
BD rips still kind of make me upset, though.
Eh. Personally, I don't think I'd watch something purely because it was an event series. Not that I'm trying to crap on the thread here - I think it's perfectly fair to call Madoka an event show and I can understand the attraction of watching something like that with a group of people, but I don't feel especially bothered for not having taken the opportunity.
Didn't like Gurren either.
Didn't like Gurren either.
Paradox295
Pokémon Master
ilmaestro said:Ah, OK, people use put "fixed" when they have cheekily altered the post they are quoting.
BD rips still kind of make me upset, though.
I know. I just didn't know what to use for this instance.
ilmaestro
State Alchemist
imo, it means you missed out on watching something that will be referenced in anime discussion for years, and getting a feel for the zeitgeist surrounding it. It would be like being a football fan and not watching the Champions League final just because you don't support the teams in it. I can see why some people don't do it, of course, and I'm certainly not applying the term to every popular series that a lot of people watch (in fact, I would apply the term to some series that didn't have that level of instant fandom, but I might be doing that purely with the benefit of hindsight), but Madoka is... quite something else in this regard.Professor Irony said:
mangaman74
Akatsuki
ilmaestro said:
Just as I could happily not watch the Champions League final if it had teams I don't support in it, I could happily ignore an 'event show' that hasn't had a physical release. I have plenty enough anime on blu-ray and dvd to watch without streaming anime. If I can wait for the likes Gurren Lagann to get a western dvd/blu-ray release then I wait for Steins and Modoka.
I know how big Madoka Magica is in general, but in the circles I move in it's not such a big event. And unfortunately most of the good parts have been spoiled by enthusiastic internet sociopaths :/
Still, I'll be checking it out when the cheap american DVDs surface, even though I'm not too keen on the magical-girl-stuff-aimed-at-guys genre and some other aspects.
I do find it somewhat exciting as well, to see series which go down as 'milestones' for various reasons. It's sad but I found Endless Eight fascinating like that. There may have been unprecedented nerdrage everywhere on the internet from people who were watching it for free anyway (don't understand that...) but it was a terribly bold thing to do and completely unique. I usually feel disappointed when I stray too far from genres I like, but in the case of the occasional 'genre defining' gems it's worth it.
R
Still, I'll be checking it out when the cheap american DVDs surface, even though I'm not too keen on the magical-girl-stuff-aimed-at-guys genre and some other aspects.
I do find it somewhat exciting as well, to see series which go down as 'milestones' for various reasons. It's sad but I found Endless Eight fascinating like that. There may have been unprecedented nerdrage everywhere on the internet from people who were watching it for free anyway (don't understand that...) but it was a terribly bold thing to do and completely unique. I usually feel disappointed when I stray too far from genres I like, but in the case of the occasional 'genre defining' gems it's worth it.
R
ilmaestro
State Alchemist
mangaman: I realized that my post might read like that as soon as I had posted it, but I thought I would wait for someone to reply rather than editing it. I was of course not implying that everyone "has to" watch the show via fansubs as it is airing in Japan. The show remains "now" until, at the very least, the R1 release - but there are certain aspects that you can not recreate.
For example, if you consider yourself a serious reader, imo you will be reading 1Q84 when it comes out in English next month. No-one in their right mind would suggest that people who can't read Japanese are missing out on this "Event" because they have waited for it to receive a translation and official release. However, you have definitely missed out on some of the immense "buzz" that surrounded the build up to the novel's release, and this is totally impossible to re-create.
For example, if you consider yourself a serious reader, imo you will be reading 1Q84 when it comes out in English next month. No-one in their right mind would suggest that people who can't read Japanese are missing out on this "Event" because they have waited for it to receive a translation and official release. However, you have definitely missed out on some of the immense "buzz" that surrounded the build up to the novel's release, and this is totally impossible to re-create.
Then I would, politely, suggest that you don't know how big Madoka is in general, because this is a big event for the industry as a whole. It will fuel some creators in all nooks and crannies of the industry, some in obvious ways, some in very much less obvious ones. I know what you are saying in your post, of course, but I do not ignore the relevance of, say, Ai no Kusabi just because it does not fall within my particular areas of interest.Rui said:
ilmaestro said:
Mm, but the effects of the show and the references which will be popping up for years to come in turn won't trickle through to my life for a while, so I can stand to wait until it's easily available. I think the test for how big a show is is how many of the characters I can freely name by sight despite never having seen it ;_; it is bally annoying how a lot of the big surprises have already been spoiled though. Stuff like that is part of why I often end up enjoying weaker series over the big, completely spoiled-to-death ones.
(Part of what I enjoy about a new series is getting into all of the merchandise, events and fanworks, and the ladies have not embraced this one to the extent of the male community, therefore it goes into the list of things I'm ok being out of sync about. If it stands up on its own without the associated waves of excitement each week, then great!)
R
ilmaestro
State Alchemist
Yeah, this is big-time one of the reasons why I wish (maybe "almost wish", I can never decide) the internet had never come to anime fandom. Or maybe just that anime fandom had never come to the internet. :further moaning about 4channers with too much free time:Rui said:
That's pretty fair, and harder to be "passively" involved with than the creative effects of a show perhaps, but I think that in the same way that it is impossible for me to avoid Tiger & Bunny stuff when browsing Pixiv/niconico/etc, the same must surely be/have been true of Madoka for you.
(OK, sometimes I actually search for T&B stuff, but that's not the point)
ilmaestro said:
I don't know why it is that a certain type of fan (and the internet amplifies this phenomenon a thousandfold) seems intent on starting every conversation on a topic with the biggest spoiler they can think of. I was out semi-recently with someone and this conversation occurred between him and my other half:
Guy: I really love this currently popular anime, _____.
Rui's chap: Oh, I haven't kept up with it for a while, is it good?
Guy: Yes, I was shocked when ______ died!
Rui's chap: ...
Later, after parting ways...
Rui's chap: I am never talking to him about anime again. Ever.
That's pretty fair, and harder to be "passively" involved with than the creative effects of a show perhaps, but I think that in the same way that it is impossible for me to avoid Tiger & Bunny stuff when browsing Pixiv/niconico/etc, the same must surely be/have been true of Madoka for you.
I certainly see it around a lot (mainly on general interest BBS-type sites) but I've very selective with my Nico Nico cruising. Keeping up with my peculiar MMD addiction, which seems strangely light on Madoka Magica in the rankings, is almost a full time job ;_;
And it's definitely making a strong showing in shops. I think it helps that it has such a distinctive art style so even though I'm not that keen, it catches my eye.
R
Finished the series at 4am, and actually cried for a bit. Although that was mostly due to Ave Maria being played in the final episode (The Three Tenors performing Ave Maria was played at my Nana's funeral; which was 2 years ago on Sunday, so even hearing the tune is enough to get me crying). That probably wasn't helped by how epic I was finding the ending; fecking hell, I couldn't predict anything with this series.
I grew particularly attached to Sayaka; mainly because I knew first hand about wanting to help people regardless of what happens to yourself, only for it to backfire horrifically. I also found Kyubey to be an incredibly interesting character. Probably the only series I've watched in a long time that has had every episode hitting me hard.
I don't care how annoying Aniplex USA can be; Madoka needs to be licensed and released on Blu-Ray - no excuses! Or at the very least; Aniplex USA need to release it on Blu-ray as Region A/B.
I grew particularly attached to Sayaka; mainly because I knew first hand about wanting to help people regardless of what happens to yourself, only for it to backfire horrifically. I also found Kyubey to be an incredibly interesting character. Probably the only series I've watched in a long time that has had every episode hitting me hard.
I don't care how annoying Aniplex USA can be; Madoka needs to be licensed and released on Blu-Ray - no excuses! Or at the very least; Aniplex USA need to release it on Blu-ray as Region A/B.
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Reevothemusefan
Vampire Ninja
This would be my 2nd favourite Magical Girl show:
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I'm kidding of course
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I'm kidding of course