Oshii encourages Goro Miyazaki to succeed

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Nausicaa.net have posted a brief translation of an interview with veteren anime director Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor) in which he talks with enthusiam about Goro Miyazaki taking on the directorial reigns of his father to helm Studio Ghibli's Gedo Senki (Tales from Earthsea).

Oshii has been quoted as saying "Drive your father (Hayao Miyazaki) to retirement early. Only you (Goro) can do it". Say to your father, "'It is not your times now!''" Read the full translation at Nausicaa.net.
 
Lol, i really don't know what to say about this piece of news, other than that's quite funny.

I have yet to see Goro's film, but i certainly don't want Hayao to stop making films. It's almost as if Oshii is saying for Goro to get rid of his dad in some way or another, 'drive him to retirement'... how odd :S
 
I had a bit of trouble with making sense of some of that tbh. I got the impression that he is not encouraging the older generation to retire, alhough he is aware that younger film-makers are eager to make in-roads to the most influential jobs. He's right about it being an interesting father/son rivalry, if that is what we should think the current situation to be.

Maybe what Oshii means is that Goro is the most forceful out of the newcomers (Hiroyuki Morita looks quite modest and shy in interviews) and may have the drive to take over the firm. Quite frankly I'm more interested in the films themselves rather than the office politics that go on behind closed doors.
 
ConcreteBadger said:
Quite frankly I'm more interested in the films themselves rather than the office politics that go on behind closed doors.
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I have to agree with that.

The whole thing seems a little odd, and i think they should all work together, and not ruin Studio Ghibli, which may happen if there is this rift between them all.

How stupid people can be sometimes ... -.-
 
Oshii seems to have a bit of a grudge against Hayao Miyazaki in particular. He has been quoted saying many unflattering things about him in the past, which I can only put down to some kind of rivalry or jealousy.

Certainly, of the two I much prefer Miyazaki's work to that of Oshii. Oshii is not a great scriptwriter in my opinion. I am sure that he is a great novellist but his scripts fail to make an impact since they come across as a little too narrative, which largely defeats the object of cinema. But that's just my opinion on the matter and I'm sure the Oshii fanclub will have words to say to me on that :p.
 
Maybe Mamoru Oshii was being sarcastic? If I were in his shoes, I'd be a little bit more blunt!

What I find disturbing is that everyone needs to follow the Miyazakis 'epic' journey of directing. The day when Studio Ghibli churns out a decent film, is the day when I'll start being more positive about it! :p
 
neptune2venus said:
The day when Studio Ghibli churns out a decent film, is the day when I'll start being more positive about it! :p
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Ha, this is true.

I don't get the appeal of Ghibli films. I've seen about 6 or 7 and the only one I can say I actually liked was Grave of the Fireflies and even that wasn't as emotionally draining as most people claimed it to be.

I'll take a pretentious film over just downright uninteresting one anyday. In my opinion Innocence and Patlabor(I enjoyed it a lot more the second time round) are better than all the Ghibli films i've seen put together.
 
Oshii just wants his main competition out of the way. It'll be a sad day when the best that anime has to offer is his pretentiousness.
 
I don't think it's that nasty, Oshii and Miyazaki seem to have this kind of friendship and it's more like he's just prodding Miyazaki to annoy him, just because. They must have known each other for well over 20 years.

And if you don't like Hayao Miyazaki movies, you have bad taste! :)
 
Paul said:
And if you don't like Hayao Miyazaki movies, you have bad taste! :)
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That might be your opinion but there are some among us anime fans that actually like something that is more than just a happy "Please the kids" theme. I have not seen anything like that come from Studio Ghibli or their directors.
 
Janus said:
Paul said:
And if you don't like Hayao Miyazaki movies, you have bad taste! :)
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That might be your opinion but there are some among us anime fans that actually like something that is more than just a happy "Please the kids" theme. I have not seen anything like that come from Studio Ghibli or their directors.
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If you think that Ghibli films just 'please the kids' you obviously haven't seen that many! Admittedly many are aimed at a younger audience but a number of them can be appreciated by viewers of any age.

I've always wondered about the relationship that Oshii, Takahata and Miyazaki share. There seems to be constructive criticism and little jibes but since the three of them have widely different styles and target audiences I don't think they'd class each other as rivals per se.
 
ConcreteBadger said:
If you think that Ghibli films just 'please the kids' you obviously haven't seen that many! Admittedly many are aimed at a younger audience but a number of them can be appreciated by viewers of any age.
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But isn't that the problem i'm pointing out? It's actually because they are aimed at a younger audience that causes the problem, It doesn't allow you the room to introduce themes which work to make a point. All you end up with is a stereotyped movie with all the cliché's of good and evil attached.
 
Miyazaki movies transcend those typical failings of other children's movies. Princess Mononoke has neither good nor bad characters. And the animation alone is complex, suggestive and compelling enough to encapsulate any theme.
 
Janus said:
ConcreteBadger said:
If you think that Ghibli films just 'please the kids' you obviously haven't seen that many! Admittedly many are aimed at a younger audience but a number of them can be appreciated by viewers of any age.
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But isn't that the problem i'm pointing out? It's actually because they are aimed at a younger audience that causes the problem, It doesn't allow you the room to introduce themes which work to make a point. All you end up with is a stereotyped movie with all the cliché's of good and evil attached.
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While I resepct your right to a point of view, you just happen to be wrong.

Princess Mononoke: both animals and humans blinded by hate - neither are completely blameless.

Castle of Cagliostro: the lead character is a thief.

Nausicaa: Similar to Mononoke. Even the 'bad' guys are just trying to survive.

Grave of the Fireflies: the brother and sister are oucasts but it is partly down to the brother's own foolish pride.

I could go on but I'd be dragging the thread o/t!
 
Ah! Conflicting opinions, brings a smile to my face. Nietzsche hasn't failed me yet with his interesting take on good and evil.

I think it's pointless really to continue on with this trend of conversation since it really is a matter of conflicting opinions and in thoses conflicts no-one wins but in-fact only looses pride.

I'll leave it there seeing that this isn't really the topic of the thread, I'm entering the shadows once more to plot but fear not I shall return when i see an opertunity.
 
Janus said:
Ah! Conflicting opinions, brings a smile to my face. Nietzsche hasn't failed me yet with his interesting take on good and evil.

I think it's pointless really to continue on with this trend of conversation since it really is a matter of conflicting opinions and in thoses conflicts no-one wins but in-fact only looses pride.

I'll leave it there seeing that this isn't really the topic of the thread, I'm entering the shadows once more to plot but fear not I shall return when i see an opertunity.
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If that means we agree to disagree that's cool with me! No hard feeling I hope. :) Nietzsche had some very interesting and insightful ideas - funny you should mention him since I was talking about his theories with some friends of mine this evening.

Oshii (back on topic a little) is himself into philosophy but sometimes it seems to get in the way of the story at times. GitS 2 is ahead of its time and all but I felt that it was a vehicle for his own ideas and musings. A great film overall but very different to the Ghibli stuff.
 
Ghibli is anime-lite as far as Im concerned, there mostly watched by film fans or casual anime watchers, the odd movie is decent but they dont deserve the praise they get, especially not Kiki's Delivery Service.
 
Ramen89 said:
Ghibli is anime-lite as far as Im concerned, there mostly watched by film fans or casual anime watchers
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Anime-Lite sounds about right, because quite frankly, people who go out of their way to dislike Ghibli are usually Anime-leet. You're all just too cool for school. edit: or is it too school for cool?
Ramen89 said:
especially not Kiki's Delivery Service.
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KDS is the single most precisely demographically targetted Ghibli film. You fall far outside that demographic. No-one goes out of their way to shove KDS down people's throats, and the praise it recieves is rather conservative at best. Even if you did like it, you would tell yourself you hated it because a guy liking Kiki's Delivery Service is anime's equivilent of a guy liking Dirty Dancing or Pretty Woman. Some guys can look past the girl-factor in the film and enjoy it, but they are a minority. The first person to suggest that KDS is a poor film simply because it is a femininely targetted one recieves a quick virtual kick in the balls. It's just not for you!
 
I didn't think there was a girl factor in KDS at all, apart from the obvious fact theres a girl as the main character, but that didn't bother me in the slightest, the thing that bothered me was that nothing at all happened, I expected Kiki's stay in the town to be a short stop off point where she would go onto somewhere actually interesting, but she stayed in the same boring town with the same boring characters for the entirity of the boring film, and a wise cracking Cat? Never seen one of them before.

Even if you did like it, you would tell yourself you hated it because a guy liking Kiki's Delivery Service is anime's equivilent of a guy liking Dirty Dancing or Pretty Woman.
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Sorry but thats just not true, If I enjoy something I enjoy something, I certainly wouldn't hide that fact just because I wasn't it's targeted demographic.

But to be honest I dislike the majority of anime films, Im much more a fan of series.
 
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