ID Cards - Xenophobia?

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whilst im glad that they are not now compulsory for british nationals, they are apparently for foreign nationals, which sounds to me like a BNP policy, how is it fair to say, "we trust brits, but not you foreigners"

what do you guys think?
 
I believe in total freedom of movement between countries for workers and tourists so I don't even agree with passports, let alone ID cards.

The only purpose they can serve in this form is clamping down on illegal immigration. Won't work, but it might be a vote winner in the current econimic climate.
 
you can probably read too much into it mind, although i think in the long run these cards will fail and will be forgotten about, although i wouldn't mind one if it would be a proof of age card, i'm sick of having to carry my passport around with me since its such a pain to get a provisonal (for me at least)
 
to add what i said eariler, i'm a fan of Ayase's idea :p but really i remember this being part of the goverments anti-terrorist agenda. now i can't really see this cards being that hard to forge, plus how is it supposed to help? what if the terrorists recurit peopel who have the cards? what if they get those born in this country (those who wouldn't need to have them) to do the attacks? Also it wouldn't be that much of a stretch of the imgination to think of some Die-hard members of the BNP to launch attacks of their own. How would these cards stop or help prevent something ilke that?

but on saying that i don't know how these cards would help in the goverment controling us anyway :p
 
I can't really imagine it working either and despite my socialist democratic political slant, I'm fairly against a lot of needless government intervention. I don't like the idea of treating people like criminals before they've committed any kind of crime. Like the way foreigners coming into Japan are fingerprinted. It's not good.

Like ayase said, it's probably just a ploy to get votes from uneducated hicks (the people who elect BNP candidates to office, for example).
 
ayase said:
I believe in total freedom of movement between countries for workers and tourists so I don't even agree with passports, let alone ID cards.

The only purpose they can serve in this form is clamping down on illegal immigration. Won't work, but it might be a vote winner in the current econimic climate.
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im in favour in total freedom of movement too, were all human afterall, french, english, japenese, palestinian, whatever, it dosent matter to me, what matters is who you are, not where youre from!

i find it frustrating that anti-immigration policys and rhetoric are popular in this country, makes me wanna scream, literally.
 
SundayMorningCall said:
iisan said:
CitizenGeek said:
Like the way foreigners coming into Japan are fingerprinted. It's not good.
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When I went to America I was fingerprinted and photographed.
I was on a ******* school trip.
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seriously? wtf? thats just insane!
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I can believe it, america's sercuity is stupid, i'm sure you heard of the story where they wouldn't let someone onto a plane because their t-shirt had a picture of a gun on it. :roll:
 
Today's Governments have far too much power IMO. To be honest, the whole I.D card thing reminds me of the 2nd half of Wolf's Rain, Jagura's Keep X]. If you've seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
They can make all the ID cards in the world and I'll never hold one, I promised myself that.
I would hope that anybody who gets this kind of thing forced upon them would respond in a similar way.
 
America do indeed scan and photo all within their country and any tourists too.

TBH, i think this is pointless. it would be a waste of time as we have unflawed ID in this country anyway. you can't make your own provisionals/actual drivers licenses. your passports are now chipped aswell as being un tamperable.....i mean you can slice into the plastic cover and switch the pictures....but it'd be obvious to notice. so there's no reason for it,
 
To me, it's just another piece of plastic to go inside my wallet... ¬_¬
It doesn't mean that we're more "secure," it just means the government have another thing to look at to identify us. It wont make too much different in security in my view.
 
iisan said:
They can make all the ID cards in the world and I'll never hold one, I promised myself that.
I would hope that anybody who gets this kind of thing forced upon them would respond in a similar way.
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I hope a similar thing about paying Council Tax sometimes, but it doesn't seem to work. :p

The fact is our government have got us on ID cards and anything else for that matter because we have no means of fighting back. A million people can peacefully protest and it will do nothing at all - they just ignore it because they know we can't do anything more serious (and, surprise surprise, this is when people actually start turning to tactics like terrorism). I was cheering on those fantastic riots they had in Athens and Paris these last couple of years - We need more of that here. Make the bastards see they can't control us like they want to.

Don't forget that no matter who has these cards or doesn't, the scheme is still going to cost money to introduce. They were going to charge us £40 each for them at one point, but I imagine still more taxpayers money would be poured in on top of that.
 
BlackWolf said:
I can believe it, america's sercuity is stupid, i'm sure you heard of the story where they wouldn't let someone onto a plane because their t-shirt had a picture of a gun on it. :roll:
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It was in the UK actually.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7431640.stm

Bback on topic, living part of my life in a dictatorship which forced ids on people, I was actually surprised I didn't have to carry any sort of identification at all here.

Not having your id with you could get you in jail, during the dictatorship era and afterwards it could get you taken to the police office until your id was confirmed, in case of public disturbance (a protest or just being near some fight in the street).

If you don't have your id, all civil rights are not granted. You can't buy a car, a house, get married, go to college, etc. Being born into this system acutally makes you think there's no other way.

I can understand the extra security a unified id can provide you, but why not use the passport as such? Or the driver's license? They are documents most people would get anyway, so it seems so much easier to use them.
 
its funny...because the other day i was wondering if we had to pay council tax...or if we could choose not to...then i realised...they charge you tax on the money that you earn before you even get it in your account....then the bloody cheeky bastards charge you tax on everything else too.

i think that this country is a complete joke. i mean, i'm a young male, hence my car insurance will be sky rocketted because of people in the past who've street raced.....i'm sorry but that just shows that their sexist. and sexist discrimination is serious business.

so if they decided that they where going to introduce this sort of card then my argument back to it would be "let the public hold a vote if they want this, the public make this country, not a corrupt fragmented government"
if that fell through i'd say "these cards, don't expect us to pay for them....you want them imposed so you foot the bill"
 
Pssh you noobs, it's obvious- someone in the government has a Death Note, and cause you need a Name and face they make you carry an I.D. card.

"Can I see your ID sir?"
"Uh.. yeah, sure"
*Offical jots something down*
"Thanks"
*Guy dies of heart attack*


SIMPLE.
 
Spyro201 said:
Pssh you noobs, it's obvious- someone in the government has a Death Note, and cause you need a Name and face they make you carry an I.D. card.

"Can I see your ID sir?"
"Uh.. yeah, sure"
*Offical jots something down*
"Thanks"
*Guy dies of heart attack*


SIMPLE.
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It's all so simple now.
 
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