Fansubs the death of anime

[MrChom]

I'll stop fansubs the second I get a "Free" (Not conting TV licence/subscription) mannor of obtaining first view.

So why do you moan so loudly when they do actually show anime on TV? And when it comes to DVDs you spout clueless ravings about censorship

hey, if you want DVDs to be double thier US costs with bits missing from them then that's your choice. I on the other have more sence than money.

Yes, because at £17.99 for the whole series Stand Alone Complex is really hideously expensive and badly edited. Also at £16.99 the full first season of Naruto is EXTORTION.

...wait....no....in fact the second season of GitS is something bizarre like 1/3 the price of the US DVD.

Yes, stuff gets edited for TV, doesn't matter if it's anime, or your favourite action movie..but DVD is another realm, 99% of it gets through (barring the one edit to get rid of a hanging scene in Paranoia Agent).

Plus anime now is cheaper for the UK than it has ever been with places like Play relentlessly driving pricing into the ground. Back in the day Nadesico on DVD was, what, £16 a volume? Now you can pick up a whole season of an older title for that kind of money. Sure, it's still more expensive than the US in a lot of cases, but you have to accept that we are a smaller market, in a different DVD region, we're a fricking island (so importing will ALWAYS cost more), and our sales taxes are higher.

With some of the FRIGHTENINGLY low sales of anime DVDs I'm shocked that someone sees any sense in releasing anything at all.

 

[Ammish]

...You're giving me a headache already, Conan-kun -_-

 

[Ryo Chan]

i'd of thought by now people would of learnt not to argue with Conan

 

[chaos]

i'd of thought by now people would of learnt not to argue with Conan

I guess they never learn... anyway, more sense than money he says, he can't afford 16 quid series, so I do hope he meant that he has A LOT more sense than money....

 

[Project-2501]

i'd of thought by now people would of learnt not to argue with Conan

Its like shooting fish in a barrel

hey, if you want DVDs to be double thier US costs with bits missing from them then that's your choice.

You what? You're talking utter twaddle.

The only thing anywhere near close to a decent TV airing of anything is Kix and even that's geting phased out for god knows what "True Entertainment" is

Again, you what? Kix is not being replaced with True Entertainment, AC is.

 

[Ammish]

I'll stop fansubs the second I get a "Free" (Not conting TV licence/subscription) mannor of obtaining first view.

So why do you moan so loudly when they do actually show anime on TV? And when it comes to DVDs you spout clueless ravings about censorship

hey, if you want DVDs to be double thier US costs with bits missing from them then that's your choice. I on the other have more sence than money.

As for TV airings, what TV airings? We have a POS channel that's run GITS and Cowboy Bebop to the ground (There's geting it on tv and then there's running thoguh it in a week like AC does) and the Same repeats of a version of Naruto that's so badly edited it might as well be another rerun of, say, Shuriken School.

The only thing anywhere near close to a decent TV airing of anything is Kix and even that's geting phased out for god knows what "True Entertainment" is (Though if any of the other "True" channels are any indication, it'll be an insult to the word "entertainment")

-transalation-

Conan: I just want the UK anime industry to die

Okay... I watch Fansubs, but I always end up buying the DVDs anyway. But the amount of fansubs I watch (which is like a ep of a series a week) is no way as much as other people, who basically watch over 1000 Fansubs. And even then... I get bored of watching Anime on a computer when I'm distracted watching other stuff 'such as talking to friends on MSN' or taking part in activitys on forums

Okay... I maybe a rotten anime fan who 'wants' everything at my fingertips. But in the past few months, I have grown out of it. I have stop nitpicking AC as in the end, it's not entirely their fault. And hopefully... I'll be getting EMA in september, so I can support the industry a lot better by buying the anime products (such as Beez... because I want the LE Haruhi)

But seriously... the past two years I've been on here as a fellow member. I can never be as rotten, selfish, self-centered, 'me,me,me' persona such as yourself, Conan-san.

You know what... spread your 'Kill the UK anime industry' somewhere else. Or move to America-land.

 

[Maltos]

it might as well be another rerun of, say, Shuriken School.

Hey!! Dont go knockin' Shuriken School!

 

[Ryo Chan]

Again, you what? Kix is not being replaced with True Entertainment, AC is.

actually they both are

or atleast Kix is getting axed, it's no longer on their ofcom licence

 

[Ammish]

Again, you what? Kix is not being replaced with True Entertainment, AC is.

actually they both are

or atleast Kix is getting axed, it's no longer on their ofcom licence

Wtf... do CS2 media like throwing channels out, then reeling them back in quickly?

 

[Project-2501]

actually they both are

or atleast Kix is getting axed, it's no longer on their ofcom licence

It was the AC license that has been renamed True Entertainment.

No word on the fate of Kix, it was only licensed in April.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

Yes, because at £17.99 for the whole series Stand Alone Complex is really hideously expensive and badly edited. Also at £16.99 the full first season of Naruto is EXTORTION.

Yes, because it was that price when it was out and not, Say, orbiting around the £50 mark at the time of poke.

I'm not stupid, I do realise that things go down in price after a while, I do happen to buy a lot of my anime well after the fact.

But It's not all that helpful to buy the Excell Saga Box set for £25 after ADV's packed their bags and buggered off.

Hey!! Dont go knockin' Shuriken School!

Shuriken School is a Weeaboo cartoon created by the French under the commission of Nickelodeon in order to cash in on Naruto's success. Needless to say it did poorly in the US where Naruto was airing in a decent timeslot on Toonami US but over here (where it aired some year or so before the premiere of Naruto in the UK) it just had no context at all.

Hence, it was a cartoon without a context and, at the very least, Jetix was merciful in canning it

It was the AC license that has been renamed True Entertainment.

No word on the fate of Kix, it was only licensed in April.

From all sources, both Kix and AC's licences got taken off, hence my comments.

Conan: I just want the UK anime industry to die

But seriously... the past two years I've been on here as a fellow member. I can never be as rotten, selfish, self-centered, 'me,me,me' persona such as yourself, Conan-san.

You know what... spread your 'Kill the UK anime industry' somewhere else. Or move to America-land.

You want to paint me as some asshole who wants everyone to keel over and die (instead of, say, buck up their ideas about airing the same two shows on loop for months on end)?
Then go right ahead, far be it for me to stop you from opening my mouth and shoving words into it.
I'll still be buying Manga and Anime, there might be some UK stuff and there might be some US stuff. I might not be able to buy it as in as big a quantity as my (and, I dare say, many other's) situation(s) may allow but I will still be doing some buying.

But if you think the situation the UK anime industry is in at this very moment is "fine" then go ahead, take both your fingers shove them right into your ear holes (please to be careful not to poke your eardrums out, I'm retorting to you on a anime web forum, nothing more, nothing less) and sing the "Lalalala, I am not listening" song.

I, personally, do not give a constituted damn about what you think about me or my ideas on the current state of the UK anime industry.

Because, after all, according to you, everything is "fine" and you are not listening.

 

[Maltos]

Hey!! Dont go knockin' Shuriken School!

Shuriken School is a Weeaboo cartoon created by the French under the commission of Nickelodeon in order to cash in on Naruto's success. Needless to say it did poorly in the US where Naruto was airing in a decent timeslot on Toonami US but over here (where it aired some year or so before the premiere of Naruto in the UK) it just had no context at all.

Hence, it was a cartoon without a context and, at the very least, Jetix was merciful in canning it

And i enjoyed it 8)

And hahaha, at your description. It was a fun show. I used to watch it at 6.30am after delivering newspapers. And why the hell didnt it have context? It wasnt at all related to Naruto.

 

[Project-2501]

From all sources, both Kix and AC's licences got taken off, hence my comments.

From OFCOM themselves you will see that the AC license was renamed True Entertainment.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlicens ... hly/200805

Kix was a brand new license:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlicens ... hly/200804

June's update should reveal the fate of the Kix license.

Although I suppose actual facts from the UK TV regulator don't really matter when it comes to what you've 'heard' on the internet I know its very unusual to actually research and backup a claim with facts

 

[ConanThe3rd]

Although I suppose actual facts from the UK TV regulator don't really matter when it comes to what you've 'heard' on the internet I know its very unusual to actually research and backup a claim with facts

Yeah, because no one in the histroy of ever has had thier sources a day late or something.

But Kix not dying's a good start, I suppose. More Medabots, More Power, I say.

 

[Gemma1412]

I am and always will be in favour of Fansubs... The series that i watch and read and ultimately spend the most money on, i never would've known without Fansubs.

 

[Urzu seven]

Ive only had broadband for a couple of months now so, I had'nt got much of a chance to see fansub's till now.My opinion for what it's worth is that fansubs are good for the fans and the industry to a lesser extent.For the fans it allows them to see shows that may never be released on region 1 or 2 and the shows that have already been released it gives them the chance to see before they buy if that is what they so chose.

For the industry ,fansub's are a badly needed wake up call they should have heard nearly two years ago but chose to ignore.Only now are studios like Gonzo realising the potential for digitial distribuition,other companies like ADV who blame some of their current problems on fansubs should look closer to home and stop treating fans like atm's who buy any anime just because it's anime.I watched episode 179 of bleach yesterday on my computer but that did'nt stop from going online and ordering over 200 euro's worth of anime from play and amazon including bleach series two part 1.

For me it comes down to quality,watching fansubs on my computer is good but watching the fully licensed anime on dvd on my 46" lcd tv is much better.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

I wonder if things would be better if we were back to a point where a) fansubs are not aviable and b) TV airings is limited to 4kids level faire

I know the orgional arugment was that fansubs are killing the US industry but I'll run with it.

So, If we were at that point, what would happen, internet.
What, would, Happen?

Or, should I be to the point and ask "What woudln't happen?"
because additional sales certainly woudln't, that's for sure.

 

[Ryo Chan]

well put it this way

without fan sub, how many people do you think would buy a DVD with the name "kiddy Grade" on it