Does buying UK anime raise the chance of a second season?

Tind

Tind

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A little off topic, but I didn't wan't to make a new topic jsut because of this.

I know that the DVD and Blu-Ray sales decide that will an anime get a sequel or not, but what I don't know is that besides the Japanese sales do the sales in the US and UK count too? Or they only consider Japanese sales numbers when they decide to make a sequel?
 
Tind said:
A little off topic, but I didn't wan't to make a new topic jsut because of this.

I know that the DVD and Blu-Ray sales decide that will an anime get a sequel or not, but what I don't know is that besides the Japanese sales do the sales in the US and UK count too? Or they only consider Japanese sales numbers when they decide to make a sequel?
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But that could potentially be a fairly interesting topic of its own :) if anyone else bites I will split it out into one.

For the most part overseas sales don't seem to matter that much, in that if a series is a spectacular success overseas it often was in Japan as well, so its fate has already been sealed (the time taken to bring something over works against it too). But there have been a few cases where a show has been such a hit abroad that it has ended up with more being produced. One example is Big O, which did very well in the US and ended up with a second season being made.

Since streaming is closing the gap between the countries a little (or it would be if not for ridiculous regioning problems), it may be that overseas fans start to have more say. More companies seem to be testing the waters and reaching out.

R
 
Rui said:
Tind said:
A little off topic, but I didn't wan't to make a new topic jsut because of this.

I know that the DVD and Blu-Ray sales decide that will an anime get a sequel or not, but what I don't know is that besides the Japanese sales do the sales in the US and UK count too? Or they only consider Japanese sales numbers when they decide to make a sequel?
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But that could potentially be a fairly interesting topic of its own :) if anyone else bites I will split it out into one.

For the most part overseas sales don't seem to matter that much, in that if a series is a spectacular success overseas it often was in Japan as well, so its fate has already been sealed (the time taken to bring something over works against it too). But there have been a few cases where a show has been such a hit abroad that it has ended up with more being produced. One example is Big O, which did very well in the US and ended up with a second season being made.

Since streaming is closing the gap between the countries a little (or it would be if not for ridiculous regioning problems), it may be that overseas fans start to have more say. More companies seem to be testing the waters and reaching out.

R
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Whell that would really be a let down. One of my personal opinion is when I decide to buy an anime is that "Will my purchase help to make a sequel?" and I am sure a lot of others think the same way in the US and UK.
If my purchase don't count at all, I will definitely cut back on anime DVD purchase.
If I understand right, UK official retailers visit this forum too...maybe they have a thing to say about this :)
 
Rui said:
Tind said:
A little off topic, but I didn't wan't to make a new topic jsut because of this.

I know that the DVD and Blu-Ray sales decide that will an anime get a sequel or not, but what I don't know is that besides the Japanese sales do the sales in the US and UK count too? Or they only consider Japanese sales numbers when they decide to make a sequel?
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But that could potentially be a fairly interesting topic of its own :) if anyone else bites I will split it out into one.

For the most part overseas sales don't seem to matter that much, in that if a series is a spectacular success overseas it often was in Japan as well, so its fate has already been sealed (the time taken to bring something over works against it too). But there have been a few cases where a show has been such a hit abroad that it has ended up with more being produced. One example is Big O, which did very well in the US and ended up with a second season being made.

Since streaming is closing the gap between the countries a little (or it would be if not for ridiculous regioning problems), it may be that overseas fans start to have more say. More companies seem to be testing the waters and reaching out.

R
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Taken from Wikipedia,
Originally a 13-episode series, positive fan response internationally resulted in a second season co-produced by Cartoon Network,
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The Big O got a second season as it was co-produced by Cartoon Network.
 
I sort of regret confidently saying I'd split it into a discussion now as this computer almost exploded loading the whole thread to shave off the right posts ;)

Tind: As the Big O example shows (lots of juicy information about what happened in the full Wikipedia article), there are times when it can be a big help. Unfortunately, relatively few people over here are willing to put down any money at all, so unless that changes it seems unlikely that anything will be enough of a massive success to make an impact.

There are, however, some interesting articles about where Japanese anime companies mention overseas fans; I believe one of the Tiger & Bunny staff members noted that it had been well received overseas and he made a point of remarking that he was pleased the Japanese discs had English subtitles on in case anyone wanted to pick it up (it's definitely getting a local release as well, of course). I think part of the point of AoD doing a local UK-centric streaming portal is so they can more accurately see what kind of series UK fans are going for.

I've been watching Fate/Zero on Nico Nico Douga as it streams, and I see tens of thousands of fans are watching the simulcast for that, even with it being available (legally and illegally) from other websites as well. That's pretty impressive, and I'm sure the Japanese companies have taken note.

I'm going on about streaming a lot, mainly because traditionally disc releases tend to be so far behind the Japanese ones that any talk of a sequel is usually past before anyone can see how well something has done here. With legal simulcasts, we can show that there is demand right from the outset.

R
 
That anime was only lucky that Cartoon Network pulled it out of the gutter. Many good animes are not aired on Cartoon Network.

Let's take Dance in the Vampire Bund for example. Japan sales were not very good, but the DVD and Blu-Ray was released in US and UK and I personally think is a good show and even tho many people seem to dislike it, there are many fans out there who would like a sequel, since it was ended with a cliffhanger. I doubt Cartoon Network has any plans to air this :D

Any1 got an example where actual US and UK DVD/BR sales helped to make a sequal to something?
 
Tind said:
That anime was only lucky that Cartoon Network pulled it out of the gutter. Many good animes are not aired on Cartoon Network.
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Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Samurai Champloo, Death Note, Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist, Code Geass, Durarara!!, Outlaw Star and Trigun all beg to differ. ;D


But, uh. As for US/UK releases, I'm not sure. I'm sure it does affect through international sales etc, but only one person won't affect overall sales.

So, if you like a show TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT! :lol:
 
Paradox295 said:
Tind said:
That anime was only lucky that Cartoon Network pulled it out of the gutter. Many good animes are not aired on Cartoon Network.
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Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Samurai Champloo, Death Note, Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist, Code Geass, Durarara!!, Outlaw Star and Trigun all beg to differ. ;D


But, uh. As for US/UK releases, I'm not sure. I'm sure it does affect through international sales etc, but only one person won't affect overall sales.

So, if you like a show TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT! :lol:
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Speaking of which wasn't international response a big factor in the Trigun Movie being made?
 
Sparrowsabre7 said:
Paradox295 said:
Tind said:
That anime was only lucky that Cartoon Network pulled it out of the gutter. Many good animes are not aired on Cartoon Network.
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Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Samurai Champloo, Death Note, Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist, Code Geass, Durarara!!, Outlaw Star and Trigun all beg to differ. ;D


But, uh. As for US/UK releases, I'm not sure. I'm sure it does affect through international sales etc, but only one person won't affect overall sales.

So, if you like a show TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT! :lol:
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Speaking of which wasn't international response a big factor in the Trigun Movie being made?
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Probably. You could also probably say the same for Rebuild.

If you have a franchise that's already popular nationally, good.

But, if you have a franchise that's already popular internationally, that's even better. International distributors like Funimation and Manga have to choose their aquisitions carefully. If a sequel to something like Trigun to Eva comes along, they're very likely to jump at it immediately.
 
Anime is so comparatively cheap over here that I can't imagine that even popular series generate massive amounts of revenue for the Japanese license holders. Foreign sales are still important, I would think, but perhaps not as important as they used to be.

Madhouse will no doubt be hoping Redline does better abroad than at home, though.
 
fabricatedlunatic said:
Anime is so comparatively cheap over here that I can't imagine that even popular series generate massive amounts of revenue for the Japanese license holders. Foreign sales are still important, I would think, but perhaps not as important as they used to be.

Madhouse will no doubt be hoping Redline does better abroad than at home, though.
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I think only a set amount goes to the Japanese licensors. Which is the licensing fee the US/UK licensors pay initially.

Then, after that it's just the US/UK licensors trying to sell enough copies to make a profit.

So, as I was saying above. US/UK sales do affect second seasons, since Japanese companies are much more likely to produce a 2nd season for a show that did well internationally than just in Japan, since there might be a bidding war between the US/UK licensors or something.


I think they offer it at a price, which the US/UK ones initally regect, so the price goes down. If it was something that's first season did well, they'd be less likely to regect the initial offer, putting more green in the blue.

I'm not 100% sure though. Ask someone who knows more than me :lol:
 
Tind said:
Any1 got an example where actual US and UK DVD/BR sales helped to make a sequal to something?
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Not so much a sequel, and not so much sales, but there used to be direct US and UK funding in anime, from Manga and Ghost in the Shell up to ADV and Geneon with the likes of Kaleidostar and Ergo Proxy.

Lately it is moot since anime is mostly focused back on the Japanese market, although with FUNimation's co-ops in the pipeline, the Marvel stuff and Gonzo back in business...
 
Paradox295 said:
I think only a set amount goes to the Japanese licensors. Which is the licensing fee the US/UK licensors pay initially.

Then, after that it's just the US/UK licensors trying to sell enough copies to make a profit.

So, as I was saying above. US/UK sales do affect second seasons, since Japanese companies are much more likely to produce a 2nd season for a show that did well internationally than just in Japan, since there might be a bidding war between the US/UK licensors or something.


I think they offer it at a price, which the US/UK ones initally regect, so the price goes down. If it was something that's first season did well, they'd be less likely to regect the initial offer, putting more green in the blue.

I'm not 100% sure though. Ask someone who knows more than me :lol:
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Totally wrong.
UK sub-licensor pays the advance and a per-sale licence fee. (I assume paid per print run). So will just be the one payment to Japan/USA unless it gets reprints.

Also by virtue of this UK sales count for even less than US ones in terms of money going back to Japan, also they're all dubbed which is also bad in terms of supporting the Japanese industry as it siphons off yet more money.

Also this all assumes the licensee the US company got it off has the copyright on the franchise (i.e. normally the original manga/ game publisher) and can make sequels, they weren't just a minor production committee member who got some international rights.
 
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