death note - light yagami's ideals

[Animefreak17]

http://youtu.be/I7NWtNwzgdg
he had good intentions, if the death note came in to my hands id do exactly what light did, the worlds full of bad people and those who gets a small jail sentence or gets away with murder ect ect ect-

pedos
murderers
rapests
thieves ( those who steal in order to eat are an exception to the rule )

he also stopped wars and crime has gone down 70%

the innocent would of lived in peace while criminals lived in fear *

there are people who kill out of religious belief * i totally hate these people * and other reasons,
pedos rings by from poor to rich, its easy to get the poor pedos but its hard to get the rich
rapests there are those who gets away with it and the victim has to live on knowing the basterds out and about
thieves, those who steal from the helpless and steal to make money

and is it really wrong to praise light for stopping wars,

if light was real and lets say a murderer had hes way with your daughter and then killed her, and then he was sent to jail for 25 - 40+ years- life sentence * depending on the sentence * ( in the uk we dont have death sentence ), but knowing hes taken the life of someone you loved and hes still alive and hes going to be released in years to come, Or hes in prison for life, hes going to have 3 meals a day, shelter, a warm bed tio sleep in, entertainment like a tv, a gym * these days a prison is like a hotel * and we the tax-payer are keeping them in these prisons so they can live it up and enjoy them selfs.

i support light because he was intelligent and out smarted everyone and hes idea to clean the world of the evil Vermin who trample all over the weak,

but yes there was that Nonami Takizawa scene that was totally screwed up,

but if no one went after light then no one innocent would of had to die,

sorry but in my eyes KIRA IS JUSTICE

 

[ayase]

Although he was obviously clever and principled, I think in a lot of ways Light was very naive. He still agreed with and trusted "The Law" as written and enforced by others than himself, it was simply the verdict he felt should have been more harsh. I don't agree with the painting of morality as a black and white issue - It's very easy to praise people as saints or condemn them as monsters when really we're probably all a bit of both, Light and the criminals he executed included. People can't seem to process the idea that someone can be capable of both great kindness and terrible harm - They have a tendency to suppress one set of facts and claim that their kind acts were just a sham or don't count in their favour, or that the harmful things they did are either lies or weren't really that terrible.

I also don't think Light really had any right to carry out his own brand of justice on the behalf of victims (who may just as easily have forgiven people their transgressions as want them dead) - But then I don't really believe any justice system has that right. None of us actually asked for the protection of the state nor did we have a say in the drafting of laws or agree to abide by them, we were simply born into a system that we're forced (under threat of the same law being brought down upon us) to participate in.

And sometimes, criminals can have their reasons. Someone could murder a politician or businessman whose decisions have ruined countless lives, in order to either avenge those harmed or make others in their position think twice about exploiting or disregarding people lest the same thing happen to them. In the world of Death Note they would go to prison and be killed by Light because they'd violated the law, despite acting out of concern for the protection for others - The very thing the law is supposed to be there for. Convicted murderers could be revolutionaries who believed in a different law or political system, one that they believed would be better for the people than the current system.

Light's world-view utterly fails to take into account the fact that not only is it possible to do positive things that violate the law, but that it's also possible to abide by (or even hide behind) the law while doing terrible things because the laws were made by and to serve the people with the power, who are just as corrupt and fallible as anyone else.

sorry but in my eyes KIRA IS JUSTICE

Even if you suspect your opinion to be unpopular, don't ever apologise for it. Why would you, unless you're afraid of reprisals? And why be afraid of reprisals? It just makes you look weak.

 

[AntAce]

Got to disagree with you, animefreak.

8) http://youtu.be/I7NWtNwzgdg
he had good intentions, if the death note came in to my hands id do exactly what light did, the worlds full of bad people and those who gets a small jail sentence or gets away with murder ect ect ect-

pedos
murderers
rapests
thieves ( those who steal in order to eat are an exception to the rule )

The world is indeed full of 'bad' people, and it shall remain that way Death Note/Capital Punishment or no Death Note/Capital Punishment. You appear to not make any distinction between paedophiles, murderers, rapists and thieves, so I can only assume you think death is a suitable punishment for all four categories of 'criminal'. Really? Somebody steals your DVD player and you think they deserve to die for it? Is that what they call 'rampant consumerism'? Interestingly, thieves who must commit theft to survive are fine. I'm sure there are circumstances one could commit any of the other three in order to survive - what then? Arbitrary lines in what is a-okay a judicial system does not make.

he also stopped wars and crime has gone down 70%

I reckon such a weapon as the Death Note would cause quite a stir in geopolitics. A budding superpower would love to get its mits on such a Weapon of Mass Destruction. But never mind WWIII, the crime rate is down 70% - and so is the world population! Hooray!

the innocent would of lived in peace while criminals lived in fear *

Peace or abject fear that somebody has the ability to give them a heart attack via simply writing their name in a notebook?

there are people who kill out of religious belief * i totally hate these people *

I haven't watched Death Note in a couple years, but doesn't Light/Kira become the godhead of a cult of personality? People feared and worshiped him, wishing he strike down people they don't like. A pseudo-religion, none too different to the way things were in the Soviet Union under Stalin, or North Korea under either of the three stooges that passes for leaders.

pedos rings by from poor to rich, its easy to get the poor pedos but its hard to get the rich

Irrelevant when discussing punishments. Are you saying wealthy paedophiles should be killed, but poor paedophiles shouldn't? One way to spread the wealth I suppose. :lol:

rapests there are those who gets away with it and the victim has to live on knowing the basterds out and about

There are occasional miscarriages of justice *cough*OJSIMPSON*cough* and so I'd imagine killing them would be one way to deal with that proble- Oh, wait. They were actually not guilty. GG Light GG!

thieves, those who steal from the helpless and steal to make money

Apart from those who steal for food, remember?

and is it really wrong to praise light for stopping wars,

See above point on budding superpowers.

if light was real and lets say a murderer had hes way with your daughter and then killed her, and then he was sent to jail for 25 - 40+ years- life sentence * depending on the sentence * ( in the uk we dont have death sentence ), but knowing hes taken the life of someone you loved and hes still alive and hes going to be released in years to come, Or hes in prison for life, hes going to have 3 meals a day, shelter, a warm bed tio sleep in, entertainment like a tv, a gym * these days a prison is like a hotel * and we the tax-payer are keeping them in these prisons so they can live it up and enjoy them selfs.

Appeal to emotion. As far as I'm concerned, an efficient judiciary system leaves the victim's/perpetrator's emotional baggage at the front steps of the courthouse.

i support light because he was intelligent and out smarted everyone and hes idea to clean the world of the evil Vermin who trample all over the weak,

Right up until he died, sniveling.

but yes there was that Nonami Takizawa scene that was totally screwed up,

but if no one went after light then no one innocent would of had to die,

You're blaming the victim now? What happened to you righteous sense of justice?

sorry but in my eyes KIRA IS AN ARSEHAT

FIFY :thumb:

 

[Animefreak17]

@antace

Look at jimmy savail he was rich and got away with it, and those catholic priests ( they wasn't rich but the victims was given money after they was found out years later by the media, which proves the rich the can get away with anything until years later or until it's to late and there already dead by natural causes.

People who haven't done any thing wrongs or who dont intend to do anything wrong won't have nothing to fear and can just go about living there lives having peace of mind. I wouldn't be scared cause I wouldn't do anything bad.

Look at it this way if a pedo was in living in your street * cause the government gave them new lives and a new place to stay so no one could find out who or what they did* you wouldn't be happy would ya.

Also near ( the little basterd ) was only lucky it was out of some mistake Mikami did not because of what light did but Mikami.

This thread might make me sound naive and somewhat unpopular but I agree with lights ideals but in no way is he a god He should of known that.

ok maybe stealing can be handled by the police

also you changed that last one

 

[AntAce]

@antace

Look at jimmy savail he was rich and got away with it, and those catholic priests ( they wasn't rich but the victims was given money after they was found out years later by the media, which proves the rich the can get away with anything until years later or until it's to late and there already dead by natural causes.

I fail to see how institutional corruption within the BBC and Roman Catholic Church implies we need to start killing people? Also Jimmy Saville is dead, as in the state of being which would make writing his name in the Death Note a moot point - a symbolic gesture of zilch.

People who haven't done any thing wrongs or who dont intend to do anything wrong won't have nothing to fear and can just go about living there lives having peace of mind. I wouldn't be scared cause I wouldn't do anything bad.

Show your working, please.

Look at it this way if a pedo was in living in your street * cause the government gave them new lives and a new place to stay so no one could find out who or what they did* you wouldn't be happy would ya.

Appeal to emotion aside, you do realise the reason some offenders are given new identities is to protect them from vigilante justice. I agree with this - I'd rather I didn't live in a society filled with roaming bands of wannabe Batmen.

Also near ( the little basterd ) was only lucky it was out of some mistake Mikami did not because of what light did but Mikami.

You'll have to expound this point a little more - I haven't watched the anime in a while, nor have I read the manga.

This thread might make me sound naive and somewhat unpopular but I agree with lights ideals but in no way is he a god He should of known that.

I'd imagine your opinions would be fairly popular amongst a great swathe of the proletariat.

ok maybe stealing can be handled by the police

How kind.

also you changed that last one

Yes I did. :thumb:

 

[ayase]

While we're talking justice, I think the number of quote boxes counts as cruel and unusual punishment for anyone reading this thread.

 

[Animefreak17]

@AntAce

.............................. YOUR SO MEAN (*SOBS*) and runs in a corner.

but seriously do you agree or not agree with lights ideals, and give reasons why.

 

[Zin5ki]

I have selected yes and no and why. My choice was thus because the weather was most clement today. Had it been overcast, I would have declined to vote.

 

[AntAce]

If my prior posts haven't quite driven my answer home, then no, I don't agree. Light was the full set - judge, jury and executioner. A single person occupying all three roles is a disaster waiting to happen. In an ideal world, the third role - the executioner - wouldn't be a thing. I don't agree with killing people, no matter their crime. By all means, toss them in prison for a stint, but not life, unless you're willing to grant them some privileges - television, a comfortable bed, hardly items that one could consider lavish.

Hope that clarifies my standing, animefreak

 

[Animefreak17]

If my prior posts haven't quite driven my answer home, then no, I don't agree. Light was the full set - judge, jury and executioner. A single person occupying all three roles is a disaster waiting to happen. In an ideal world, the third role - the executioner - wouldn't be a thing. I don't agree with killing people, no matter their crime. By all means, toss them in prison for a stint, but not life, unless you're willing to grant them some privileges - television, a comfortable bed, hardly items that one could consider lavish.

Hope that clarifies my standing, animefreak

yes it does thank you

 

[The Incredible Corgi]

I really liked the way Death Note handled the whole idea of the "to stop a monster, you must become a monster" role Light fell into. It can be argued for and against till the sun comes down, but it made a nice change from the usual anime cliches of the main character rising above their limitations and the rules placed on them and finding a way to achieve their goals without ethically/morally compromising themselves.

Legally, what Light did was wrong. Ethically and morally, it's for the individual and society to judge prior to taking the actions (in so much as a fictional character can do so).

If I were to be in Light position, would I make the same choices? Who knows?

 

[Animefreak17]

I do not believe Light to be a righteous individual, but I do agree with him about rotten people needing eliminated. But I don't like the way he went about it. I felt Light should have taken care of real villains: dictators, mass murders in foreign governments, people who pay big money to poach endangered animals, people who knowingly pollute the environment for profits, crazy religious leaders the kind of people who think it is okay to kidnap and have sex with minors, and force them to have children, or the heads of religions that think its okay to oppress women and then honour kill them if they get raped, and lets not forget heads of major corporations that use child slave workers overseas to make a profit. Drug cartels, human traffickers, mafia etc.. Put Bush and Cheney on that list for war crimes too!

If Light had done this the world would have become a better place, because the people with power would finally have someone to answer to for their crimes. The people around the world would have loved him as well. Think about it, Kira kills Hitler or Kira saves the women of Afghanistan from being beheaded by Sharia law. People would be able to protect the environment from companies like Enron, we could advance green technology to the point where we have whole nations with clean sustainable power. Think about all the good people who have tried to make the world a better place for all what they could accomplish if greedy heartless individuals were wiped off the planet.

He did kill criminals like rapist, murders, and killers but these seem like small frys to me and most of these kind of people are the results of bad circumstances due to oppression by the government. Like in Indian, couples to prefer to have male children instead of female children, and they want people not to have sex outside marriage. This leads to a their society having more men than women, and these males are frustrated because they can not have sex openly. If they do they are look down upon. So crimes like rape rise. Or for instance poor people who steal food just to eat. In my opinion are not thieves, they are just trying to survive bad economical times due to the government's abuse

( My opinion on rape is you serve 10 years in jail or more depending on severity of your crime, then when you are free for the next 10 years of your life the government deducts a percentage from your pay for damages done to the victim. Murders; if its a crime of passion then life in prison with the possibly of parole after 25 years. If its planned life in prison or death penalty.)

 

[ayase]

People can tell when you copy-paste someone else's opinions AF.

I mean come on. It isn't even in your usual idiosyncratic style.

 

[AntAce]

They might not be his words, ayase, but for him to take them, I think it's safe to assume they encompass his opinions.

Why the fixation on disproportionate punishments, animefreak? Just to pick one example out of that post, would you seriously be alright with capital punishment being dished out to someone who shoots a white rhino?

 

[Animefreak17]

@ayase no the reason why i copied and pasted it is because it summed it up nicely the way i would of said it and yes i did read it and agreed and its something that was in my head but i had no way of trying to type it out the way this guy did, i swear i didn't steal it i just agree with what the original guy said thats all, i t summed up everything i wanted to say but didn't know how to do it

 

[MaxonTreik]

@ayase no the reason why i copied and pasted it is because it summed it up nicely the way i would of said it and yes i did read it and agreed and its something that was in my head but i had no way of trying to type it out the way this guy did, i swear i didn't steal it i just agree with what the original guy said thats all, i t summed up everything i wanted to say but didn't know how to do it

Then at least have the decency to name the source of where you got that instead of stealing it and trying to justify yourself when you get caught.

 

[Animefreak17]

@ayase no the reason why i copied and pasted it is because it summed it up nicely the way i would of said it and yes i did read it and agreed and its something that was in my head but i had no way of trying to type it out the way this guy did, i swear i didn't steal it i just agree with what the original guy said thats all, i t summed up everything i wanted to say but didn't know how to do it

Then at least have the decency to name the source of where you got that instead of stealing it and trying to justify yourself when you get caught.

your right i should have and i apologise * i really am*