College Presentation - Coroners and Justice Bill

that was just an opinion of mine, i may think it, others may think it, but others do not

that's kinda how a *true* democracy is run, through the thoughts of the people

and yes, there are worse things in the world than lolicons, such as pedophilia and environmental issues, but not all rapists are men, some women are as well (although it seems a bit far-fetched there probably have been cases)

i never said anything like i wanted it to be banned, because that's denying other people the chance to enjoy what they want, which is why Austrailia is so messed up with it's Attorney Generals, if one objects then a film or a game won't be sold (which is why Left 4 Dead 2 is being censorted, although Valve are appealing against this)
 
memorium said:
i never said anything like i wanted it to be banned, because that's denying other people the chance to enjoy what they want
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I call ********.

memorium said:
personally, i think it should be illegal, even if it is non-photographic, i still consider it as wrong and to be honest, it is really indecent
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You want it illegal but not banned...?
 
to be fair, it's all democratic at the end of the day, if the majority rule it as legal then that stands, i don't object to that, because it's the majority everyone has a right to view what they desire

to be fair, we're all hypocritical at times
 
memorium said:
to be fair, it's all democratic at the end of the day, if the majority rule it as legal then that stands, i don't object to that, because it's the majority everyone has a right to view what they desire

to be fair, we're all hypocritical at times
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What right does the majority have to to make thoughts illegal?

As for the "we're all hypocritical at times" part, it was a pretty big difference. I'd say it's a bit more than that.
 
Spyro201 said:
memorium said:
to be fair, it's all democratic at the end of the day, if the majority rule it as legal then that stands, i don't object to that, because it's the majority everyone has a right to view what they desire

to be fair, we're all hypocritical at times
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What right does the majority have to to make thoughts illegal?

As for the "we're all hypocritical at times" part, it was a pretty big difference. I'd say it's a bit more than that.
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Worth to remember that the majority once made witchcraft illegal. I guess you know what happened next =/
 
I'm not really sure what I believe on this issue. I'm pretty sure pornographic images of children, even if they are drawn, count as obscenity and as such ought not to be protected under freedom of expression laws.
 
CitizenGeek said:
I'm not really sure what I believe on this issue.
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I'm with Geek here.

It's also so completely dependent on the context. I wouldn't find a stick figure picture of Bart Simpson watching something dodgy as a joke at all offensive, but then if it was a very explicit and photorealistic (or even heavily photoshopped to the point it's hard to tell) image it could go way past my comfort zone quickly. Then there's the usual issue of showing childlike people who are supposedly older, or unusually precocious youngsters, which makes everything so difficult to police.

With so many variables I'm not sure one hard and fast rule makes any sense either way. I do find the levels of glorification of lolicon "culture" on some sites extremely inappropriate though. Most people can tell reality and fantasy apart, thankfully, but even one idiot encouraged to cross the line by too much mainstreaming and acceptance of the fetish ruins the lives of other innocent people, which is never right. I'd rather it could be softly "policed" by social pressure alone. Sadly that doesn't seem to work here in the real world.

R
 
CitizenGeek said:
I'm not really sure what I believe on this issue. I'm pretty sure pornographic images of children, even if they are drawn, count as obscenity and as such ought not to be protected under freedom of expression laws.
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My only issue wit it, is because it's a law based on "moral and principle". Age of consent, to be allowed to drink and marry are not based only based on morals anymore, as it is actually targeted at protecting people who are more vulnerable.

Rui said:
I'd rather it could be softly "policed" by social pressure alone. Sadly that doesn't seem to work here in the real world.R
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By policed by social pressure you mean to be looked down on? if so, I can't see it having any effect at all, I'm afraid.
 
chaos said:
My opening to this would be something like "murder is wrong. Why fake murder is allowed?
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Ummm the saw series anyone? :p, I'm sure some people would class that as obscene. I had a girlfriend once that liked the saw series though.
 
Asdrubael said:
chaos said:
My opening to this would be something like "murder is wrong. Why fake murder is allowed?
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Ummm the saw series anyone? :p, I'm sure some people would class that as obscene. I had a girlfriend once that liked the saw series though.
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I've never got anywhere close to the saw series. Never seen any of these, but like I've said, I don't believe the movies would stimulate people to commit crimes. Of course that it migth attract the odd lunatic likely to commit those crimes, but I don't believe it would encourage these people, as rui mentioned on her post.

I'm one of those that believe that obscene must be left for the public to judge, not for the goverment.
 
Movies/games/music/etc don't make people commit crimes, they just inspire the methods used to commit crimes by some criminals. A good person wont get turned bad, but a bad person will get ideas.
 
Then why not go the whole mile and ban everything that depicts ficitonalized crime? Why handpick one thing just, because it's classed as disguting and immoral?
 
i cant even get my head around this.

Theres porn that depicts rape, underage girls, violence... and thats actual people, but its all acting.

I don't understand how its possible to ban sketches. I'm not gonna rant because its all already been said but this is just wrong.

How is shota/loli any more disturbing than a hentai depicting a woman being raped by a tentacle monster and exploding from having too many tentacle penis' inside her (i'm looking at you urotsuki)
 
chaos said:
Maxon said:
A personal opinion isn't a reason to ban anything. If that happened, we'd be in a dictatorship.
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Agree with it not being a reason to ban, but disagree with the dictactorship thing. I called it dumb democracy instead. What the CJB is.
Witches are bad and immoral. Let's burn them all.
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What we are in right now is a dumb democracy. People vote because they believe all the stuff they are spoon fed by the government. A dictatorship would allow ministers to pass laws just because they felt like it, which is what it seemed like memorium was alluding to.
 
A dictatorship is perfect if the dictator has none of the typical flaws present in humanity. Jesus would make an awesome dictator, & so would Ghandi.
 
Keep level-headed, and be sure to point out that any personal attacks made against you are indicative of poor arguing skills on the behalf of your detractors.
 
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