Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note)
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Lutga
Mad Scientist
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
I always found Lelouch easier to understand than Light.
As discussed above, Light could have stopped at any time, but he didn't. He was addicted to his newfound 'power', so much so that he began to basically see himself as a God. While you could admire his intelligence, he was pretty much a dick to every single person in his life - was there ever anyone that he actually, genuinely cared about? It's like he's stuck in a course of action that he can't escape from - or perhaps, doesn't want to.
Lelouch on the other hand always had a greater plan in mind. Yes, he made some pretty messed up decisions along the way, but it was always in aid of moving the world toward a better place. Part of his power is that he eventually becomes an icon - he symbolizes more than just an individual.
I always found Lelouch easier to understand than Light.
As discussed above, Light could have stopped at any time, but he didn't. He was addicted to his newfound 'power', so much so that he began to basically see himself as a God. While you could admire his intelligence, he was pretty much a dick to every single person in his life - was there ever anyone that he actually, genuinely cared about? It's like he's stuck in a course of action that he can't escape from - or perhaps, doesn't want to.
Lelouch on the other hand always had a greater plan in mind. Yes, he made some pretty messed up decisions along the way, but it was always in aid of moving the world toward a better place. Part of his power is that he eventually becomes an icon - he symbolizes more than just an individual.
Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
I ment to say who cares if siblings are half or full there still there sibling and its not right for someone to say..........
Half siblings aren't real siblings.........that's what I was trying to say
ilmaestro said:
I ment to say who cares if siblings are half or full there still there sibling and its not right for someone to say..........
Half siblings aren't real siblings.........that's what I was trying to say
Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
About code gaess
Kallan is a bitch
Roll is a arse hole
Yep that should get things back on track
About code gaess
Kallan is a bitch
Roll is a arse hole
Yep that should get things back on track
Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Doesn't seem that constructive, also 3 spelling mistakes? (typos happen but if we are discussing a show in depth lets try and get things correct)
It's a complex series, multi layered with a dash a plot device and silliness.
Rolo is ultimately a tragic character, nothing more than a tool moved around the board by his masters, Lelouch seems to offer him the family he's always lacked but he too is just using him yet even when he realises that he still saves Lelouch.
animefreak17 said:
Doesn't seem that constructive, also 3 spelling mistakes? (typos happen but if we are discussing a show in depth lets try and get things correct)
It's a complex series, multi layered with a dash a plot device and silliness.
Rolo is ultimately a tragic character, nothing more than a tool moved around the board by his masters, Lelouch seems to offer him the family he's always lacked but he too is just using him yet even when he realises that he still saves Lelouch.
Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Roll is the ultimate tragic character............No he isn't euphy is the ultimate tragic character.......rolo deserved to die after what he did......hell he even said he was going to kill nunnally
Rosencrantz said:
Roll is the ultimate tragic character............No he isn't euphy is the ultimate tragic character.......rolo deserved to die after what he did......hell he even said he was going to kill nunnally
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Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
AF, you are too swift with your replies, re-read what I wrote, ultimately not ultimate.
It makes it very hard to have a good discussion if you have not understood what a previous poster has actually said.
animefreak17 said:
AF, you are too swift with your replies, re-read what I wrote, ultimately not ultimate.
It makes it very hard to have a good discussion if you have not understood what a previous poster has actually said.
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Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Ok then he's isn't ultimately tragic in this series......euphy is ultimately a tragic character.......And Shirley is too.
Why do people even like rolo........I don't get it........is it because he sacrificed him self to save lelouch.............so he should he murdered Shirley and was going to kill nunnally.......he gets no sympathy from me..........
Rosencrantz said:
Ok then he's isn't ultimately tragic in this series......euphy is ultimately a tragic character.......And Shirley is too.
Why do people even like rolo........I don't get it........is it because he sacrificed him self to save lelouch.............so he should he murdered Shirley and was going to kill nunnally.......he gets no sympathy from me..........
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jonno394
Za Warudo
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
No AF, you are failing toi understand the deeper meanings of the show and are taking everything at face value. I think perhaps this could be down to how fast you watch shows. You seem to blitz through shows so fast so perhaps you are missing out on key aspects.
Rolo is a character who has been used by everyone he has known in his life, everything that has happened to him proceeding to R2 made him the character he was. His decision to kill shirley was because for once in his life he felt like he was someone, and that he meant something to someone, and he feared that Shirley would take away the one good thing he had going in his life. Now, do not read in to this as me saying what he did was justified, it was not, but ULTIMATELY Rolo came to that decision because for his whole life he had been used and abused, so it is understandable why he did it, and when you look at his life, and how it ended he made HIS choice to die, rather than doing it when or how someone else decided and you realise that he was a tragic character.
No AF, you are failing toi understand the deeper meanings of the show and are taking everything at face value. I think perhaps this could be down to how fast you watch shows. You seem to blitz through shows so fast so perhaps you are missing out on key aspects.
Rolo is a character who has been used by everyone he has known in his life, everything that has happened to him proceeding to R2 made him the character he was. His decision to kill shirley was because for once in his life he felt like he was someone, and that he meant something to someone, and he feared that Shirley would take away the one good thing he had going in his life. Now, do not read in to this as me saying what he did was justified, it was not, but ULTIMATELY Rolo came to that decision because for his whole life he had been used and abused, so it is understandable why he did it, and when you look at his life, and how it ended he made HIS choice to die, rather than doing it when or how someone else decided and you realise that he was a tragic character.
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Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Ok, I was trying to point out that while you simply label him as an 'arse hole', he is actually quite a tragic character
Didn't say I liked him, I just understand that a lifelong assassin's go to plan when his new better life is seemingly threatened is probably not a great surprise. I don't like how it ended for Shirley, in fact I'd argue that the female casts gets a decidedly disproportionate amount of bad things happening to them.
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I've had a number of discussions over various shows with you AF and they are quite hard going. I've come to the conclusion that the speed that you watch a show at unfortunately means you don't always see the finer details and depth that is present.
I'd love to discuss a show or two in detail but I only seem to get quick fire responses that don't appear to have read or understood what I have posted
-edit- Hmm, seems britguy has similar thoughts, guess that's what I get for being so slow and measured in composing my posts.
animefreak17 said:
Ok, I was trying to point out that while you simply label him as an 'arse hole', he is actually quite a tragic character
animefreak17 said:
Didn't say I liked him, I just understand that a lifelong assassin's go to plan when his new better life is seemingly threatened is probably not a great surprise. I don't like how it ended for Shirley, in fact I'd argue that the female casts gets a decidedly disproportionate amount of bad things happening to them.
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I've had a number of discussions over various shows with you AF and they are quite hard going. I've come to the conclusion that the speed that you watch a show at unfortunately means you don't always see the finer details and depth that is present.
I'd love to discuss a show or two in detail but I only seem to get quick fire responses that don't appear to have read or understood what I have posted
-edit- Hmm, seems britguy has similar thoughts, guess that's what I get for being so slow and measured in composing my posts.
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Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
No I watched them and saw all the details and my decision is I don't like him
Ok he was raised as an assassin
He didn't have a family
He had no one
He did what he thought was right for lelouch
He did everything for lelouch because he thought he was wanted
I get all that......but I still don't like him
No I watched them and saw all the details and my decision is I don't like him
Ok he was raised as an assassin
He didn't have a family
He had no one
He did what he thought was right for lelouch
He did everything for lelouch because he thought he was wanted
I get all that......but I still don't like him
jonno394
Za Warudo
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
No-one is saying you have to like him AF, the misunderstanding here is you not understanding what Rosen meant by "ultimately tragic character" and even going to the extent of claiming he wasn't a tragic character, when he clearly is.
No-one is saying you have to like him AF, the misunderstanding here is you not understanding what Rosen meant by "ultimately tragic character" and even going to the extent of claiming he wasn't a tragic character, when he clearly is.
Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Ok fine he's a tragic character il admit it I was wrong.
britguy said:
Ok fine he's a tragic character il admit it I was wrong.
Animefreak17
Godhand
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
What about kallen is anyone going to defend her or is it ok for me to bash on her.
What about kallen is anyone going to defend her or is it ok for me to bash on her.
windcott
Kiznaiver
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
I'm not an avid commenter of this forum, so maybe I don't know you as well as some of the other people in this forum, but my god, you seem like a troll. There is nothing wrong with getting into debates about anime, that's what makes being part of a community fun. But what you are doing isn't having an interesting debate, it's just bashing for the sake of bashing. No one wants to come on this forum and see endless (and badly spelt) drivel on Kallen.
What makes Code Geass on of the greatest anime's of all time is the collection of rich, complex characters. All of the characters are reacting to the same situation in a different manor, with different actions and emotions, and their reasons for this in the show are clearly shown. Now you might not find all of the characters likeable, but they are all very well developed, you can understand where they are coming from even if you disagree with what they are doing. It is not a simple black and white show. It is the collection of different characters, and therefore multiple perspective, that in part makes the show what it is. Clearly, when watching the show, all of this has gone over your head.
Ultimately, Code geass would be a very interesting show to debate about, and I would very much enjoy reading a thread on it ( I am what some would call the silent majority). But what you're doing is quite frankly just looking to bash and whine, and prove some obscure point, your posts seem ill though out, lack any kind of clarity and are badly spelt ( I can spell better then you and english isn't my first language). Please cool it.
animefreak17 said:
I'm not an avid commenter of this forum, so maybe I don't know you as well as some of the other people in this forum, but my god, you seem like a troll. There is nothing wrong with getting into debates about anime, that's what makes being part of a community fun. But what you are doing isn't having an interesting debate, it's just bashing for the sake of bashing. No one wants to come on this forum and see endless (and badly spelt) drivel on Kallen.
What makes Code Geass on of the greatest anime's of all time is the collection of rich, complex characters. All of the characters are reacting to the same situation in a different manor, with different actions and emotions, and their reasons for this in the show are clearly shown. Now you might not find all of the characters likeable, but they are all very well developed, you can understand where they are coming from even if you disagree with what they are doing. It is not a simple black and white show. It is the collection of different characters, and therefore multiple perspective, that in part makes the show what it is. Clearly, when watching the show, all of this has gone over your head.
Ultimately, Code geass would be a very interesting show to debate about, and I would very much enjoy reading a thread on it ( I am what some would call the silent majority). But what you're doing is quite frankly just looking to bash and whine, and prove some obscure point, your posts seem ill though out, lack any kind of clarity and are badly spelt ( I can spell better then you and english isn't my first language). Please cool it.
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
Kallen is a fairly well rounded character that never got the chance she should have to flourish. There is no denying that she is essentially a missed opportunity, as she was due to get a far bigger role in R2 than she did, but it was scrapped. Either way, i don't generally understand the hate she gets. Her hatred is completely understandable, and what's more if you followed the series properly, you'd realise that Her hatred for britannians is based both on a grand scale(area 11, being treated as muck under the feet of others) and family based, considering her dad is a high-ranking britannian(hence stadfield) whom she hates entirely. In her situation, considering the state of japan, it's completely understandable what drives her, what she wants most of all and the lengths she'd go to, to ensure they where met.
Let's consider your other pointers, which i feel are more directed at your distaste for lelouch rather than for kallen. Considering how much we've thrown under spoiler tags already, i'll just cover this all up with tags.
Going down the list one by one:
1. Yes, she does. But she also realised that revealing his secret would throw the Black Knights into despair. They didn't want to know who zero was either, so long as the goals where mutual, they could work together to ensure they where met.
2. She knows he's a member of the royal family, yes. But so do at least 1 or two of his classmates, as such defeating this point entirely.
3. This wasn't something she fully understood until R2 anyways. Outwith that, she'd be treated as mad for suggesting it, nearly noone knew of what a geass was.
4. She kept quiet about it, but that's because she also knew it was an accident. While lelouch is good at hiding most things, i'm pretty sure that kallen was able to pick up his true feelings about what happened.
5. Answered this already. Family ties and the suffering of a nation.
6. But this was to defend her home, to protect those dearest to her. Her reasons are entirely just in the series
7. But also caring, determined and strong willed.
8. Loves a fickle thing~
9. Quite rightly too. Suzaku was doing the exact same thing.
10. She betrays them yes, but in doing so, she tries to defend them. She regards them as important, so much so that being hated by those she wants to protect would be enough to ensure they don't come into harms way. I think that's a fairly decent trade.
Kallen is a fairly well rounded character that never got the chance she should have to flourish. There is no denying that she is essentially a missed opportunity, as she was due to get a far bigger role in R2 than she did, but it was scrapped. Either way, i don't generally understand the hate she gets. Her hatred is completely understandable, and what's more if you followed the series properly, you'd realise that Her hatred for britannians is based both on a grand scale(area 11, being treated as muck under the feet of others) and family based, considering her dad is a high-ranking britannian(hence stadfield) whom she hates entirely. In her situation, considering the state of japan, it's completely understandable what drives her, what she wants most of all and the lengths she'd go to, to ensure they where met.
Let's consider your other pointers, which i feel are more directed at your distaste for lelouch rather than for kallen. Considering how much we've thrown under spoiler tags already, i'll just cover this all up with tags.
Going down the list one by one:
1. Yes, she does. But she also realised that revealing his secret would throw the Black Knights into despair. They didn't want to know who zero was either, so long as the goals where mutual, they could work together to ensure they where met.
2. She knows he's a member of the royal family, yes. But so do at least 1 or two of his classmates, as such defeating this point entirely.
3. This wasn't something she fully understood until R2 anyways. Outwith that, she'd be treated as mad for suggesting it, nearly noone knew of what a geass was.
4. She kept quiet about it, but that's because she also knew it was an accident. While lelouch is good at hiding most things, i'm pretty sure that kallen was able to pick up his true feelings about what happened.
5. Answered this already. Family ties and the suffering of a nation.
6. But this was to defend her home, to protect those dearest to her. Her reasons are entirely just in the series
7. But also caring, determined and strong willed.
8. Loves a fickle thing~
9. Quite rightly too. Suzaku was doing the exact same thing.
10. She betrays them yes, but in doing so, she tries to defend them. She regards them as important, so much so that being hated by those she wants to protect would be enough to ensure they don't come into harms way. I think that's a fairly decent trade.
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Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
Re: Code Geass (major spoilers for Code Geass and Death Note
I've always considered Kallen to have quite a key role in the finale of the show though
Everyone is doubtful that this is Zero that has just showed up, as most of them have had the reveal that Lelouch is Zero. The thing is, they only saw that Lelouch was Zero that one time, while they know Kallen was in his confidences for a long time. So when she realises Suzaku and Lelouch's plan she follows through by saying this is Zero, when she knows it can't possibly be Zero. The whole deception could of fallen apart if they didn't have Kallen's confirmation that this Zero was the true Zero.
I've always considered Kallen to have quite a key role in the finale of the show though
Everyone is doubtful that this is Zero that has just showed up, as most of them have had the reveal that Lelouch is Zero. The thing is, they only saw that Lelouch was Zero that one time, while they know Kallen was in his confidences for a long time. So when she realises Suzaku and Lelouch's plan she follows through by saying this is Zero, when she knows it can't possibly be Zero. The whole deception could of fallen apart if they didn't have Kallen's confirmation that this Zero was the true Zero.
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