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Top 10 reasons why I hate lelouch

1 he kills he's sister euphy and let's everyone believe she's a murderer
2 he uses the knights only for he's selfish reasons and not for area 11
3 he uses his power on Shirley to forget him and what he did to her father
4 he kills and uses his power on his own siblings
5 he has a loli sister complex with nunnally
6 he uses he's power on he's allies
7 he tries to have Suzuku killed
8 he is responsible for killing millions of people
9 he forgives rolo
10 he's a selfish, arrogant, two faced, prick

Top 10 reasons why I hate kallen

she keeps everything a secret concerning lelouch from the knights:
1 Who zero is.
2 Lelouch is related to the royal family.
3 That he has a gaess power
4 He used that power on euphy to kill the 11s and she kept quiet about that
5 she's a racist towards Britannias
6 she's killed so many people and she's not punished for it
7 she's arrogant and selfish
8 she lets lelouch for dead when he turns her down.....twice
9 she tries to kill suzaku
10 she betrays her class mates from school
 
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Greenmeido said:
Your fifth reason for hating Lelouch isn't a bad thing at all.
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What?......having a loli sister complex.....I think that's sick and bad.....he also plays favourites too....he loves nunnally more then euphy or .....the other sister which both loved lelouch.

He's a prick and deserves death again and again in a time loop.
 
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I must have missed the Loli complex, he was just a protective older brother. Also I can understand the fact he loves and feels closer to her than the others. She's his only real sister. The other are half siblings. I have a half sister on my dads side (he left when we were young) and the relationship will never be the same as I have with my two full sisters.
 
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britguy said:
I must have missed the Loli complex, he was just a protective older brother. Also I can understand the fact he loves and feels closer to her than the others. She's his only real sister. The other are half siblings. I have a half sister on my dads side (he left when we were young) and the relationship will never be the same as I have with my two full sisters.
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Wait wait wait what's that supposed to mean :x .....real sister :evil: half sister......ok dude you have lost me I lost all respect for you.

I have a sister from another dad and I have two full siblings, but I have never ever thought of her as my half......I love my her as equal as the other two....No more no less.

Also it doesn't matter if people are real or not by blood, it's about the bonds of that relationship, hell you could have a horrible blood family and have a wonderful not blood family......which would you go for?

My dad was a bastard to me and my mom and siblings but my step dad....which I call my real dad....treats me like his own son and I love him like his my real dad....again it's not about the blood it's about the bonds.

Lelouch plays favourites and cares only for nunnally and his other siblings cared for him

Euphy she loved lelouch and nunnally
The other sister.....she wanted to avenge lelouch but when she found out what he did she lost all respect for him and tried to bring him down
And I'm sure a few others did but I know not all of them did

Sorry but that is a stupid argument........is my sister not my real sister because it's not the same dad?...................Well I call bollocks to that
 
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AF, please remember everyone has different circumstances. If someone feels closer to one sibling, that's how they feel - pretending not to in order to meet some arbitrary requirement for equality doesn't achieve anything.

It's been a while for me but in Code Geass in particular
doesn't Lelouch live with and care for Nunnally after their other siblings have more or less given them up for dead? It would be weird for him not to be closer to the sibling he's been raised with. Continuing to love and cherish the ones who barely have anything to do with him after he vanishes just as much as he does his closest relative would be weird. It could also be argued he feels some responsibility for her current physical condition since he went through the trauma of the assassination - an experience which again, his other siblings can't really relate to.

Lelouch plainly does care for Euphy (and the others) too, it's just that his love for Nunnally is much more intimate and developed. He also genuinely cares for Suzaku who is virtually an adoptive relative when the series begins. I don't think you realise how complicated a character Lelouch is, even though the series is a bit silly at times.

R
 
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animefreak17 said:
Wait wait wait what's that supposed to mean :x .....real sister :evil: half sister......ok dude you have lost me I lost all respect for you.
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Really, wow. Im devestated

I have a sister from another dad and I have two full siblings, but I have never ever thought of her as my half......I love my her as equal as the other two....No more no less.

Also it doesn't matter if people are real or not by blood, it's about the bonds of that relationship, hell you could have a horrible blood family and have a wonderful not blood family......which would you go for?

My dad was a bastard to me and my mom and siblings but my step dad....which I call my real dad....treats me like his own son and I love him like his my real dad....again it's not about the blood it's about the bonds.
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Unlike you I don't have much contact with this half-sibling due to her moms choice so I didn't and still don't have a real relationship with her (now due to her choice), hence why the bond is not the same as the sisters I lived and grew up with, and hence why I can understand why Lelouch cares more about the one he is always with.

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AF, to be quite honest with you I am rather appalled at your recent behavior. Loosing respect for someone over something like that is pretty ridiculous, you need to learn to look at things from other peoples perspectives.

My father had two children with his previous wife and I wasn't allowed to see them for at least 12 years. They just turned up at my school one day, with my father, obviously I was excited to meet someone new, but at the same time it was a lot to take in. I mean, I don't even think I knew that they excited prior to this.

So, obviously I don't feel as strongly for them as my younger brothers who I have known all my life, but that doesn't mean I don't love them at all or that I won't eventually love them all the same.
 
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Rui said:
AF, please remember everyone has different circumstances. If someone feels closer to one sibling, that's how they feel - pretending not to in order to meet some arbitrary requirement for equality doesn't achieve anything.

It's been a while for me but in Code Geass in particular
doesn't Lelouch live with and care for Nunnally after their other siblings have more or less given them up for dead? It would be weird for him not to be closer to the sibling he's been raised with. Continuing to love and cherish the ones who barely have anything to do with him after he vanishes just as much as he does his closest relative would be weird. It could also be argued he feels some responsibility for her current physical condition since he went through the trauma of the assassination - an experience which again, his other siblings can't really relate to.

Lelouch plainly does care for Euphy (and the others) too, it's just that his love for Nunnally is much more intimate and developed. He also genuinely cares for Suzaku who is virtually an adoptive relative when the series begins. I don't think you realise how complicated a character Lelouch is, even though the series is a bit silly at times.

R
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But in the specials the show that euphy and lelouch was very close to each other, how do you think nunnally would feel if she found out what lelouch did to euphy.

And I would say lelouch is poorly written, light yagami is a better character then him........nina is a better character then him.

The main thing I will never ever forgive lelouch is thathe let everyone think euphy is a murderer and didn't do a thing to clear her name, how would you feel if someone framed your brother and you knew he was innocent ........And everyone else thought he was a killer.......you would prove his innocence, lelouch is a selfish prick that didn't care about anyone or anything else unless it was-

Something to do with he's mother.......And he kills her
If it's to make nunnally happy......even tho he's doing it for the wrong reasons
He kills millions and ruins lives
He has a girl who loves him kills her father

Sorry but lelouch is a poorly written inconsistent character with a sister complex
 
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britguy said:
animefreak17 said:
Wait wait wait what's that supposed to mean :x .....real sister :evil: half sister......ok dude you have lost me I lost all respect for you.
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Really, wow. Im devestated

I have a sister from another dad and I have two full siblings, but I have never ever thought of her as my half......I love my her as equal as the other two....No more no less.

Also it doesn't matter if people are real or not by blood, it's about the bonds of that relationship, hell you could have a horrible blood family and have a wonderful not blood family......which would you go for?

My dad was a bastard to me and my mom and siblings but my step dad....which I call my real dad....treats me like his own son and I love him like his my real dad....again it's not about the blood it's about the bonds.
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Unlike you I don't have much contact with this half-sibling due to her moms choice so I didn't and still don't have a real relationship with her (now due to her choice), hence why the bond is not the same as the sisters I lived and grew up with, and hence why I can understand why Lelouch cares more about the one he is always with.

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But lelouch knew her in there childhood so did nunnally and they was close......It's different from your experience you didn't know yours but lelouch did
 
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Ok, but we know that he was rather young when he was shipped off to area 11 so after 8 years of not being around his other siblings it's pretty easy to understand why the bond would have receded.
 
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GolGotha said:
AF, to be quite honest with you I am rather appalled at your recent behavior. Loosing respect for someone over something like that is pretty ridiculous, you need to learn to look at things from other peoples perspectives.

My father had two children with his previous wife and I wasn't allowed to see them for at least 12 years. They just turned up at my school one day, with my father, obviously I was excited to meet someone new, but at the same time it was a lot to take in. I mean, I don't even think I knew that they excited prior to this.

So, obviously I don't feel as strongly for them as my younger brothers who I have known all my life, but that doesn't mean I don't love them at all or that I won't eventually love them all the same.
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Look at it from my point of view I have a sister from another dad and the others get along with her ......in fact were pretty close, lelouch was close to euphy when they was younger and nunnally was close to euphy too.....It's diffrent from your experience too, they knew each other and is close but lelouch like the prick as he is, chooses favourites........And the only reasons he hated her was because she got in the way of he's plans
 
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britguy said:
Ok, but we know that he was rather young when he was shipped off to area 11 so after 8 years of not being around his other siblings it's pretty easy to understand why the bond would have receded.
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So lelouch should hate all his siblings just BECAUSE his father abandoned him, but in reality they still loved and cared for him........................Oh yeah that makes perfect sense *sarcasm*

They didn't even forget about lelouch they wanted to avenge him and euphy was still thinking about him and was happy to see him.

Sorry but I have no idea why people even likes this prick and that's what lelouch is..... a big fat inconsistent loli sister complex mass murdering poorly written prick
 
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did i say he should hate all his siblings? chrst AF, having a discussion with you is nigh on impossible, i'm out.
 
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britguy said:
did i say he should hate all his siblings? chrst AF, having a discussion with you is nigh on impossible, i'm out.
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He did tho he hated them.....And was willing to kill them all.

Ok ok il start by saying

I'm sorry to britguy, I haven't been in your shoes about your siblings so I can see it in your point of view............I still respect you and please don't take a fence what I said earlier ......it was supposed to be a joke............a joke that give you the wrong idea and I'm sorry x1000
 
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animefreak17 said:
Sorry but I have no idea why people even likes this prick and that's what lelouch is..... a big fat inconsistent loli sister complex mass murdering poorly written prick
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Pretty sure that because you're getting so emotional over him, it makes him a well written character.

But either way, you need to understand that certain characters are written that way to evoke certain emotions, but sadly it seems the line between worlds has been blurred for you. So sadly, like Britguy I will not continue this conversation with you.
 
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GolGotha said:
AF, to be quite honest with you I am rather appalled at your recent behavior. Loosing respect for someone over something like that is pretty ridiculous, you need to learn to look at things from other peoples perspectives.

My father had two children with his previous wife and I wasn't allowed to see them for at least 12 years. They just turned up at my school one day, with my father, obviously I was excited to meet someone new, but at the same time it was a lot to take in. I mean, I don't even think I knew that they excited prior to this.

So, obviously I don't feel as strongly for them as my younger brothers who I have known all my life, but that doesn't mean I don't love them at all or that I won't eventually love them all the same.
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I'd like to say I'm sorry to you too golgotha and I'm sorry for my appealing behaviour and your right I am getting too emotional in to lelouch and in this subject.

I just really hate what lelouch has done and it has driven me nuts.

We still cool?
 
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animefreak17 said:
But in the specials the show that euphy and lelouch was very close to each other, how do you think nunnally would feel if she found out what lelouch did to euphy.

And I would say lelouch is poorly written, light yagami is a better character then him........nina is a better character then him.

The main thing I will never ever forgive lelouch is thathe let everyone think euphy is a murderer and didn't do a thing to clear her name, how would you feel if someone framed your brother and you knew he was innocent ........And everyone else thought he was a killer.......you would prove his innocence, lelouch is a selfish prick that didn't care about anyone or anything else unless it was-

Something to do with he's mother.......And he kills her
If it's to make nunnally happy......even tho he's doing it for the wrong reasons
He kills millions and ruins lives
He has a girl who loves him kills her father

Sorry but lelouch is a poorly written inconsistent character with a sister complex
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No, he really isn't. You just don't understand him. Spoilers for both Code Geass and Death note follow.

He was absolutely horrified at what happened to Euphy, there's a reason it was one of the big climaxes of the show. The reason that Lelouch's rebellion even happened in the first place wasn't entirely that he had his Geass, it was that he was a pragmatic genius. I understand you dislike his way of thinking - where he will always prioritise the Greater Good over his personal feelings - but the reason he acted the way he did was always to further his progress towards creating a better world.

Coming clean about himself to clear Euphy's name would probably not have worked (especially as it would require explaining his Magic Powers, which by definition would have caused people to mistrust him, because telling people you can instantly brainwash them doesn't tend to be all that wise). It would have destroyed his chance of ending the rotten political situation, forever, so he understood that he had to force his personal feelings about Euphy down and try to fix things in his own way. Clearing Euphy's name is a romantic, unrealistic notion (and real-world conspiracy theorists show that many people would never be happy even if he did it), and with both him and Euphy gone who would be left to stand up to the oppressors?

Thanks to Lelouch's mistake, Euphy had to die. After that point her reputation no longer matters to her, whereas there are millions of people all over the world that Lelouch has to think about as he plans his schemes. While he is quite like Death Note's Light as a character, his circumstances are completely different. Light could have stopped at any time and the world would have been perfectly fine, whereas once Lelouch became involved in his quest he was shouldering a huge amount of responsibility for other people. He had to dirty himself, which made him uncomfortable thinking about how he was keeping things from Nunnally, and he had to lock his personal feelings away at times even when he probably just wanted to sit down and cry.

You also make the point that Lelouch's other siblings cared about him. Remember that as the viewer, you see them talking to one another and thinking to themselves a lot more than Lelouch does - how much help do they really give him, directly? The fact that they'd have all been a wonderful, happy family if things had happened differently is one of the saddest things about the show. That's intentional!

You might want to try a rewatch with a more open mind AF, instead of just assuming Lelouch sucks and not trying to see how tortured he was. There are lots of people in this world who don't openly show what they're feeling that well, but it doesn't mean that they don't care.

R
 
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Well our queen has spoken

Fine il rewatch it with mom sooner or later.


But it's going to be hard tho.

Wait ...........trying to save euphy is unrealistic but having a power to make people do what ever you want is realistic?

Ok

I just don't get it...........I mean he's doing everything for the wrong reasons.

Sure light yagami sees him self as a God and kills a few innocent people but at least he does it for the greater good and he is stopping people from caughting him.

Light doesn't kill people for selfish reasons but lelouch uses people for

Finding more about his mother
Making nunnally happy
Revenge against Britannia

He doesn't care who he's using .....allies or enemies as long as it suits him.

There's only 3 things I like about lelouch

He's hamminess
He's last name vi Britannia
And that costume
 
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animefreak17 said:
Wait ...........trying to save euphy is unrealistic but having a power to make people do what ever you want is realistic?

Ok

I just don't get it...........I mean he's doing everything for the wrong reasons.

Sure light yagami sees him self as a God and kills a few innocent people but at least he does it for the greater good and he is stopping people from caughting him.

Light doesn't kill people for selfish reasons but lelouch uses people for

Finding more about his mother
Making nunnally happy
Revenge against Britannia

He doesn't care who he's using .....allies or enemies as long as it suits him.
There's only 3 things I like about lelouch
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I think it's fine to dislike Lelouch, but whether you like him or hate him you should really try to understand his perspective (it makes the series much better if you do).

The series itself is inherently unrealistic; of course the Geass thing is a massive plot device which lets one angry boy have a huge effect on global politics. But let me turn it around for you. If Lelouch had tried to save Euphy, how would he have been able to continue his campaign? He had no way to cancel the actual command he accidentally gave her.

Lelouch is a very calculating person. He would instantly know that he was completely powerless to do anything the moment Euphy went out there (as his reaction certainly implied!) and then his choice basically boiled down to going down with her and sacrificing himself or trying to salvage what he could to carry on with his plan. His goals are morally shaky, I agree, but this is a complicated series in the first place, not an episode of Care Bears.

You could argue that experiencing this kind of horrible thing was directly responsible for his 'atonement' at the end of the series. He knew he had to keep going as long as he could, but at the end he basically sacrificed everything in order to create the perfect ending to his rebellion. I expect the people who he was forced to use along the way - such as his sisters - were still weighing heavily on his mind when he decided to play that role and that was the best way he could think of to atone. Lelouch never got to enjoy a happy ending.

R
 
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