Beez Licensing announcements for Amecon 2010.

I should imagine there are still plenty of people who don't know about Crunchyroll and pick up their entertainment off the shelf. I would also expect that the same people who would previously watch fansubs then pick up the DVDs when available will do the same with legal streams, the rest would never have bought it anyway.
 
Project-2501 said:
beez_andrew said:
It's funny - replace legal and free with fansubs and its the same argument that others have used for years. Point is that people will always prefer a physical copy of the show over something with adverts in between - it's the same argument as to why people buy TV shows that are available. Fans just haven't had a legal method to watch before for anime.

Fansubs are also the arguement used by some distros as to why DVD sales are poor. If illegal online watching hurts sales then isn't legal online watching going to do the same?

Yes, it's a claim that has already been leveled in fact. To be honest if it's not the DVD distributor doing the VOD then it always will - it's hardly rocket science!

On the upside it means that arguably DVD sales will never really be impacted any *more* so than has happened already. Of course now there are legit streams to pursue at least while distributors in the UK develop legitimate platforms for you guys.

Project-2501 said:
Yes a lot of people like physical media, I'm very much one of those people and my shelves are getting rather full, but now there are options I have to think a bit harder. I think I've rewatched about 10% of my collection. Its a lot of ££ sat gathering dust.

I sympathize a lot there!

Project-2501 said:
Its certainly a different idea, I'll give you that!

At the end of the day too the take-home message of this all is that nobody including us is being hurt by trying this kind of idea. So if you like it, support it and if you don't then please for heaven's sakes tell me why you aren't.

It's not something I should take offense at so long as it's constructive as opposed to abusive after all and its rare a company listens as closely to what you want! So make use of it :)!

Andrew,
Beez Entertainment
 
A question about the dub upgrade if you will, although this is probably too early.

Other than the addition of the dub, will it be identical to the first sub only release, or will there be extra features in addition to (or instead of) the extra features on the first release, dub actor interviews, dub commentaries, that sort of thing...
 
Just Passing Through said:
A question about the dub upgrade if you will, although this is probably too early.

Other than the addition of the dub, will it be identical to the first sub only release, or will there be extra features in addition to (or instead of) the extra features on the first release, dub actor interviews, dub commentaries, that sort of thing...

I hope so, but it depends on what Aniplex America do. I shall try to liaise with them to arrange this though. The DVDs will be basically identical to theirs for the US dub though.

Best,

Andrew
 
Neferpitou said:
Rob F1UK said:
Perhaps, but you also overlook the fact that MVM typically release most Geneon licenced series in the UK, I believe, or would be led to believe they have their own agreement with them. Also, on the subject of Ah! My Goddess, as the series it titled, Manga UK are releasing it now, but ADV had the initial UK rights, before running into their well known troubles. Manga only picked it up then, after FUNi presumably "saved" it from ADV. I'd agree on the point of a sequel series not always being released by the same company here in the UK, but going on recent trends, I'd say its much more likely that MVM or on the off chance Manga will release those titles here. Beez tend to focus mostly on Bandai titles (obviously), with the odd other release creeping in here and there.

Finally, releasing a title here with subtitles only, has also always been a possibility here (see Only Yesterday, Ocean Waves, and Jin-Roh, Tokyo Godfathers, I beleive) but in order to gain the most sales possible, the better business strategy would always be to release with a dub too. I assume you made that comment due to Durarara!! Beez understand this, as although Durarara!! is being released sub only first, they are following it up with a dub release later.

The way its looking now if MANGA or BEEZ really want a title then MVM have little chance of competing. Also a lot of titles are having their UK right brought by Funimation so they can decide who ever they want to give the UK rights too. BEEZ are releasing quite few titles that aren't been released by BANDAI USA these days.

BEEZ were very prepared to release it SUB only. Its only getting a DUB release after now as it was announced in USA with DUB before Beez could even start release the title in the UK. If Durarara! was announced in America after Durarara had already been released in it entirety over here by BEEZ it would be unlikely they would release a DUB version later on.

We have to wait and see but there is a chance that Sora no Woto and The Girl Who Leapt Through Space maybe SUB only releases. I have yet to see anything confirming a DUB on these upcoming USA releases.

BEEZ often to sell Anime DVD's to countries in Europe only providing Japaneses with Subtitles. These countries are willing to watch it SUB only so why not the UK? Sure its experiment as it may not work but it worth a go If it means it can speed up the process of getting series from Japan to the UK.

Thats because those titles have only recently been announced as being licenced, its too early for a decision on a dub for them yet. I understand the point your making, but you seem to be ignoring market trends, UK buyers seem to have more of an adversion to subtitled media "en masse" then Europe.

As for your later point about Beez and Manga, if Beez think it can work, then they must have done their sums to come that conclusion. Its almost as though you don't think it will work, ergo it won't. Time will tell.
 
beez_andrew said:
On the upside it means that arguably DVD sales will never really be impacted any *more* so than has happened already. Of course now there are legit streams to pursue at least while distributors in the UK develop legitimate platforms for you guys.

I suppose the best people to ask would be Funi in the US. They seem to be streaming a good % of their active license list.

http://www.durararausa.com/

Aniplex must also be confident, the website about their DVD release tells people to go watch on CR :)

beez_andrew said:
At the end of the day too the take-home message of this all is that nobody including us is being hurt by trying this kind of idea. So if you like it, support it and if you don't then please for heaven's sakes tell me why you aren't.

But won't you be hit with 2 lots of upfront costs, DVD authoring, BBFC etc..? And are there any guaranties that you can license the dub for sane money?

Don't get me wrong, new releases in significantly less than the usual 2-3 years is a VERY good thing and, touch wood, this works and we see more. And as I've not watched it on CR yet so I may still hold off and pick up the DVDs at the next expo. Now if you were also releasing blurays I'd be biting your hand off!
 
Rob F1UK said:
Thats because those titles have only recently been announced as being licenced, its too early for a decision on a dub for them yet. I understand the point your making, but you seem to be ignoring market trends, UK buyers seem to have more of an adversion to subtitled media "en masse" then Europe.

It quite common when an series is announced in the USA that they would mention If it will get a DUB or not at the same time. This happen with the USA release of Durarara!! as example. Taking account the two companies involved in the USA release of Sora no Woto and The Girl Who Leapt Through Space are Nozomi & Bandai. Nozomi quite often do SUB only releases and Bandai USA are in bad financial difficult at the moment which might make it difficult for them to fund an English DUB.

BEEZ have licensed these 2 shows full well knowing that there is no English DUB currently available. They may have inside knowledge from Nozomi & Bandai telling them there maybe one in future but that is still not 100% guarantee.

With so few Anime titles released here SUB only theirs not enough data to say if a series would sell a lot worse without a DUB. Certainly in the cases of mainstream show like Naruto it would certainty would. But less mainstream show we don't know. But BEEZ seem to think it can work if they are trying to release some titles in future SUB only.

Rob F1UK said:
As for your later point about Beez and Manga, if Beez think it can work, then they must have done their sums to come that conclusion. Its almost as though you don't think it will work, ergo it won't. Time will tell.

There's no way to know if it would work as the situation mentioned doesn't even exist! as BEEZ Durarara DUB release has been announced before the SUB version been even released. The current situation is way different from If an DUB was announced after the Durarara had run it course over here.
 
Project-2501 said:
beez_andrew said:
On the upside it means that arguably DVD sales will never really be impacted any *more* so than has happened already. Of course now there are legit streams to pursue at least while distributors in the UK develop legitimate platforms for you guys.

I suppose the best people to ask would be Funi in the US. They seem to be streaming a good % of their active license list.

http://www.durararausa.com/

Aniplex must also be confident, the website about their DVD release tells people to go watch on CR :)

Always better to promote legal sources than pirate ones just, no point pretending legit versions don't exist either :)!

Project-2501 said:
beez_andrew said:
At the end of the day too the take-home message of this all is that nobody including us is being hurt by trying this kind of idea. So if you like it, support it and if you don't then please for heaven's sakes tell me why you aren't.

But won't you be hit with 2 lots of upfront costs, DVD authoring, BBFC etc..? And are there any guaranties that you can license the dub for sane money?

If we do a limited sub-only run then the cost is no more than we'd have shelled anyway for the full print run of DVDs so no there.

BBFC - nope, no more than we'd have paid anyway for sub and dub.

Dub - Yes, we're in talks with our friends at Aniplex now. for that.

I wouldn't have put such an idea like this together unless I had *really* crunched numbers and thought through all our options for the title :). That's why we're trying this to see if it's a model you guys like or not really - if it doesn't work we just won't do it again and if it does we'll revise the model based on feedback so it's even more suited for everyone!

Project-2501 said:
Don't get me wrong, new releases in significantly less than the usual 2-3 years is a VERY good thing and, touch wood, this works and we see more. And as I've not watched it on CR yet so I may still hold off and pick up the DVDs at the next expo. Now if you were also releasing blurays I'd be biting your hand off!

*keeps watchful eye on his hand xD*
 
Neferpitou said:
Rob F1UK said:
As for your later point about Beez and Manga, if Beez think it can work, then they must have done their sums to come that conclusion. Its almost as though you don't think it will work, ergo it won't. Time will tell.

There's no way to know if it would work as the situation mentioned doesn't even exist! as BEEZ Durarara DUB release has been announced before the SUB version been even released. The current situation is way different from If an DUB was announced after the Durarara had run it course over here.

Well tbh there will be two discerning features:

1) The Beez subtitle only release will be very cheap.

2) The Beez dubbed version will mirror the US one in terms of content and price. So likely will be significantly more expensive sadly...

Early adoption will have its perks in this instance but as I say it's up to everyone to decide what they prefer to do :).

Andrew
 
I vaguely remember there being discussions of a potential limited edition release for Durarara, will that be coming up with the dub or have you completely decided against such a release?
 
beez_andrew said:
Neferpitou said:
Rob F1UK said:
As for your later point about Beez and Manga, if Beez think it can work, then they must have done their sums to come that conclusion. Its almost as though you don't think it will work, ergo it won't. Time will tell.

There's no way to know if it would work as the situation mentioned doesn't even exist! as BEEZ Durarara DUB release has been announced before the SUB version been even released. The current situation is way different from If an DUB was announced after the Durarara had run it course over here.

Well tbh there will be two discerning features:

1) The Beez subtitle only release will be very cheap.

2) The Beez dubbed version will mirror the US one in terms of content and price. So likely will be significantly more expensive sadly...

Early adoption will have its perks in this instance but as I say it's up to everyone to decide what they prefer to do :).

Andrew

Cheers Andrew, was pretty sure you'd have done your sums. As for dubs on the other two, if the Drrr! release is successful and dubs announced for the other two, will you adopt the same release model, or just go straight for a dub only release?
 
Rob F1UK said:
Cheers Andrew, was pretty sure you'd have done your sums. As for dubs on the other two, if the Drrr! release is successful and dubs announced for the other two, will you adopt the same release model, or just go straight for a dub only release?
I assume you mean a hybrid release, it may double the bbfc fees but those of us that despise dubs can still buy it (and won't boycot the company afterwards).
 
Re: The Beez Tease...

FeArTeR said:
My Guess:

License #1: Either Sora o Kakeru Shojo a.k.a The Girl Who Leapt Through Space or REC (TV)
Dude, I know it wasn't right in the end, but could I just say that REC (TV) was an *epic* shout compared to everyone else who was just happy to repeat whatever everyone else above them had said.
 
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