Anime Limited Reveal New Gurren Lagann Ultimate Edition Details

Joshawott

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For a while now, Anime Limited, the aptly named anime distributor, has been preparing what they call the "Ultimate Edition" of Gainax's cult hit&nbsp;<em>Gurren Lagann</em>. Their planned release is one of the most ambitious the UK market has ever seen, which has unfortunately caused it to see its set backs in the past. However, in&nbsp;a new blog post on their website, Anime Limited have now secured a final release date of&nbsp;<strong>29th September, 2014</strong>.

Anime Limited explains that the reason for the shift from the original 1st September date is due to them only receiving the final approval of the art book last week, which will need at least five weeks to get ready for the release. To make up for that though, the distributor is working harder to improve the quality of the project. The art-book's dimensions are now 18.1cm x 21cm as opposed to the originally planned A5 and has been given an additional 6 pages, making the final page count 116 pages.&nbsp;As a result of quality checking from fans, the bit-rate of the TV series episodes has also been increased to 30MBPs (if any of the readers can explain what that means in the forum's discussion thread, that'll be great). The art box will now also be large enough to fit the art book inside, allowing you to keep everything in a neat package.

When&nbsp;<em>Gurren Lagann</em>'s Ultimate Edition is released in September, it will include all 27 episodes of the television anime series, as well as the movies&nbsp;<em>Childhood's End</em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>The Lights in the Sky Are Stars</em>, as well as the&nbsp;<em>Gurren Lagann Parallel Works&nbsp;</em>music videos. You can find a full break down of their release here.&nbsp;

The release has an SRP of &pound;149.99, but it can be found for considerably cheaper at the usual online outlets.

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Here's their original trailer:


Spring 2014 eh? Was it really originally slated to be released that long ago?
 
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Joshawott said:
As a result of quality checking from fans, the bit-rate of the TV series episodes has also been increased to 30MBPs (if any of the readers can explain what that means in the forum's discussion thread, that'll be great). 
In simple terms the video will look much better. The episodes were previously encoded between 14-20MBPs depending on the episode and showed some issues like very obvious banding. An increased bitrate should help to minimise that. It also means AL are actually using most, if not all the space on the BD50s to get the best quality possible, rather than half or two thirds of a BD50 like most others do.
 
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Sounds good. I'm looking forwards to this, a series definitely worth the double dip
 
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Mangaranga said:
Joshawott said:
As a result of quality checking from fans, the bit-rate of the TV series episodes has also been increased to 30MBPs (if any of the readers can explain what that means in the forum's discussion thread, that'll be great). 
In simple terms the video will look much better. The episodes were previously encoded between 14-20MBPs depending on the episode and showed some issues like very obvious banding. An increased bitrate should help to minimise that. It also means AL are actually using most, if not all the space on the BD50s to get the best quality possible, rather than half or two thirds of a BD50 like most others do.

I'm glad that we have an upped bit rate but also confused as to why they were going to go with a 14-20MBPs part filled disc when it's obvious that you want to increase MBPs as high as possible within the limits of your disc.
 
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Rosencrantz said:
I'm glad that we have an upped bit rate but also confused as to why they were going to go with a 14-20MBPs part filled disc when it's obvious that you want to increase MBPs as high as possible within the limits of your disc.

I'm making the assumption here that encoding at a higher rate (or utilising different compression methods to get the higher rates) increases the cost
 
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It also makes it a little more difficult to author. I can't remember the exact bitrate, but the max is around 40Mb per second, I believe someone explained it better on these forums already, but when you are maxing out the bitrate, you have to balance the audio and the video, which in HD is both dynamically encoded, so the max bitrate for BD isn't exceeded. It's a lot easier to just devote 25Mb to video, 15 Mb to audio (or less), and never exceed either limit.
 
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Just Passing Through said:
It also makes it a little more difficult to author. I can't remember the exact bitrate, but the max is around 40Mb per second, I believe someone explained it better on these forums already, but when you are maxing out the bitrate, you have to balance the audio and the video, which in HD is both dynamically encoded, so the max bitrate for BD isn't exceeded. It's a lot easier to just devote 25Mb to video, 15 Mb to audio (or less), and never exceed either limit.

I guess that makes sense if it's a combined 40 mbs limit on the audio & video, that'd require some skill to balance out both at any given second.
 
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Rosencrantz said:
Just Passing Through said:
It also makes it a little more difficult to author. I can't remember the exact bitrate, but the max is around 40Mb per second, I believe someone explained it better on these forums already, but when you are maxing out the bitrate, you have to balance the audio and the video, which in HD is both dynamically encoded, so the max bitrate for BD isn't exceeded. It's a lot easier to just devote 25Mb to video, 15 Mb to audio (or less), and never exceed either limit.

I guess that makes sense if it's a combined 40 mbs limit on the audio & video, that'd require some skill to balance out both at any given second.
It's 48mbps ;)
The issue isn't usually about hitting limits though, unless you're talking about Aniplex/Japanese releases. Most of the problem seems to be with the companies compressing the episodes down to fit them on 1 BD50 and 1 BD25. The files are just over half the size of the Japanese ones, but the problem is that they usually compress much more than they actually need to. I'll use Psycho Pass as an example because it's the easiest one there is. Psycho pass uses just over half of it's two BD50s and BD25s. Why? Some episodes don't even have a combined bitrate of 20mbps, and the video quality suffered massively as a result. Funi's Japanese audio for their BDs is also only ~700kbps which I don't get either.

In comparison, Gurren Lagann sounds like it's actually going to use all the space available, with an average video bitrate of ~30mbps and three audio tracks at 1.5mbps each. It's an Ultimate edition done right, no, a BD done right in general.
 
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Mangaranga said:
Rosencrantz said:
I guess that makes sense if it's a combined 40 mbs limit on the audio & video, that'd require some skill to balance out both at any given second.
It's 48mbps ;)
The issue isn't usually about hitting limits though, unless you're talking about Aniplex/Japanese releases. Most of the problem seems to be with the companies compressing the episodes down to fit them on 1 BD50 and 1 BD25. The files are just over half the size of the Japanese ones, but the problem is that they usually compress much more than they actually need to. I'll use Psycho Pass as an example because it's the easiest one there is. Psycho pass uses just over half of it's two BD50s and BD25s. Why? Some episodes don't even have a combined bitrate of 20mbps, and the video quality suffered massively as a result. Funi's Japanese audio for their BDs is also only ~700kbps which I don't get either.

Spoiler for Manga's Psycho Pass... it's on four BD50s
 
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Just Passing Through said:
Spoiler for Manga's Psycho Pass... it's on four BD50s
Does it use the same files as Funi's release though. The files on their discs are ~3.5gb each.
Manga can use 4 BD50s, but it makes no difference if they didn't encode it themselves to utilise the space. If it looks better than Funi's release I will honestly buy it again.
 
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Mangaranga said:
Just Passing Through said:
Spoiler for Manga's Psycho Pass... it's on four BD50s
Does it use the same files as Funi's release though. The files on their discs are ~3.5gb each.
Manga can use 4 BD50s, but it makes no difference if they didn't encode it themselves to utilise the space. If it looks better than Funi's release I will honestly buy it again.

Unfortunately I don't have a BD-Rom to take a closer look, What I can tell you is that Manga authored the discs, and used DTS-HD MA for the English 5.1 audio, and PCM 2.0 Stereo at 1.5 Mbps for the Japanese. Only came through today, and I haven't actually watched them yet, got some other reviews to get out of the way first, so won't be for a week or so.
Incidentally, what are some of the flaws in Funi's release to watch out for in this one?
 
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Just Passing Through said:
Mangaranga said:
Just Passing Through said:
Spoiler for Manga's Psycho Pass... it's on four BD50s
Does it use the same files as Funi's release though. The files on their discs are ~3.5gb each.
Manga can use 4 BD50s, but it makes no difference if they didn't encode it themselves to utilise the space. If it looks better than Funi's release I will honestly buy it again.

Unfortunately I don't have a BD-Rom to take a closer look, What I can tell you is that Manga authored the discs, and used DTS-HD MA for the English 5.1 audio, and PCM 2.0 Stereo at 1.5 Mbps for the Japanese. Only came through today, and I haven't actually watched them yet, got some other reviews to get out of the way first, so won't be for a week or so.
Incidentally, what are some of the flaws in Funi's release to watch out for in this one?

I think it was the Banding on the Video Quality.
 
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Just Passing Through said:
Unfortunately I don't have a BD-Rom to take a closer look, What I can tell you is that Manga authored the discs, and used DTS-HD MA for the English 5.1 audio, and PCM 2.0 Stereo at 1.5 Mbps for the Japanese. Only came through today, and I haven't actually watched them yet, got some other reviews to get out of the way first, so won't be for a week or so.
Incidentally, what are some of the flaws in Funi's release to watch out for in this one?
Definitely better Audio wise. Funi's release has DTS HD MA 5.1 @ ~1.9mbps and JP 2.0 @ ~700kbps. (Is the audio definitely 2.0? The Jap BDs had 2.1 DTS audio.)
There's an easy way to tell whether Manga re-did the video - does the First Ending/Second OP/ED have English or Japanese credits? I'm legitimately interested.
 
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Mangaranga said:
Just Passing Through said:
Unfortunately I don't have a BD-Rom to take a closer look, What I can tell you is that Manga authored the discs, and used DTS-HD MA for the English 5.1 audio, and PCM 2.0 Stereo at 1.5 Mbps for the Japanese. Only came through today, and I haven't actually watched them yet, got some other reviews to get out of the way first, so won't be for a week or so.
Incidentally, what are some of the flaws in Funi's release to watch out for in this one?
Definitely better Audio wise. Funi's release has DTS HD MA 5.1 @ ~1.9mbps and JP 2.0 @ ~700kbps. (Is the audio definitely 2.0? The Jap BDs had 2.1 DTS audio.)
There's an easy way to tell whether Manga re-did the video - does the First Ending/Second OP/ED have English or Japanese credits? I'm legitimately interested.

Funi used DTS-HD instead of Dolby TrueHD? Colour me surprised. Unfortunately I can't get to a BD player right now to look at the credit sequences, but one difference I just recalled, the UK subs and audio are unlocked. I don't believe the US release's are.
 
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Sorry, my mistake. It is TrueHD. You may have just sold me the Manga release of Psycho Pass - in a Gurren Lagann thread.
IT'S A SIGN PEOPLE, BUY BOTH.
 
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Sounds like I was right to avoid a double dip. I'm just hoping the extended version gets a BD release in the US and they actually include decent video this time.

R
 
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Rui said:
Sounds like I was right to avoid a double dip. I'm just hoping the extended version gets a BD release in the US and they actually include decent video this time.

R
Yeah, got my copy in today. Video is exactly the same as Funi's release. The audio for both tracks in technically better though.
English 5.1 DTS HD-MA 24bit @ ~3mb/s and JP 16bit PCM @ 1.5mb/s on the Manga BD vs English 5.1 TrueHD 16bit ~1.9mb/s and JP TrueHD 16bit @ ~700kbps on Funi's.
 
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