Rui said:
I think that's a pretty reasonable response. And it offers a challenge to Anime Limited: qaiz openly admits a personal bias in taste but if things keep getting better then it's the company's job to make their releases too good to pass up. Really sad to hear about the wrecked Patema set though as mine was pristine and it's disappointing when something arrives messed up.
Japanese releases are delicious (I sometimes get my Mononoke BD set out just to look at it happily) and of course they keep the really good stuff back for themselves a lot of the time, but I think we're moving in the right direction now. I think that what Anime Limited are trying to do for us is good stuff, from commissioning unique art from the actual creative staff (love it or hate it, I really liked that they did that with Patema) to fixing little niggles people flag up on the forums when many competitors don't fix large niggles people flag up, ever. qaiz doesn't agree at the moment, but as quality improves who knows where things will end up
I like the idea of the companies using their best efforts to try to tempt people away from the alternatives by making the best local versions possible. The buyer generally wins.
R
I really appreciate your comment and I'm glad that you can see where I'm coming from, and to be fair I think everybody else here understands too, it's just got a lot to do with the fact that I can find it difficult to articulate myself at times
Like you said, I do have a personal bias, one that is very particular and revolves around ideas that might not hold as much weight or value for others so the idea that Anime Limited should contort their ideas to suit me is silly. I
truly believe in artistic vision/integrity and would be upset if I was to dissuade Anime Limited from pursuing ideas and concepts that they feel strongly for just to make me happy, and I'm thankful that in the real world it doesn't work like that. My wants don't hold more weight than anyone else’s, but that doesn't deter me from voicing them
Most people were happy with how
Patema turned out, but even outside of the damage I still had some distaste for it. I understand why it is the way it is, but I still don't believe in that size/form-factor. I don't own
Giovanni's Island but that's another release that others were happy with in regards to how it turned out. I thought that it looked really nice from a cursory glance, so you can hazard a guess to my reaction when I found out the dimensions of the thing. It's a weird thing to complain about, but...
is it really? Does a 2 disc digipak really need to be that big? I like art-books, I own a few myself but generally I feel happy enough importing one from Japan for £30+ by itself than compromise the whole Blu-ray package just for an art-book that generally never justifies itself. I thought that the artwork used for the
Patema cover was more than fine, but again just looked odd on that massive box and the practically plain inside of the digipak again was a strange waste of a huge canvas.
Japanese releases are 9 times out of 10 just sublime to look at, and that's not due to contents because in terms of on disc content I think Anime Limited are one of the best, in regards to the ultimate sets at least. You get a lot of mileage for your money in terms of on-disc content with Lagann, but it's the physical stuff that lets it down. I thought that the KLK set Anime Limited released was pretty good when it was all said and done, but the show itself for me just doesn't justify its price point for the complete set. And yes, let me make that clear, that’s
my opinion on the show and again I understand
why it costs what it does and have seen the regional breakdowns. But that kind of release of a show like Lagann? 3 high quality boxes, with normal sized digipaks and a nice little book for £40 each? I would have preferred that a lot more, but again I'm in the minority there 100%.
For me, on paper everything Anime Limited release is pretty
good, and I say
good because the things like the dip in video quality of Lagann lets it down from being
great on paper. It's just the fit and finish and the way in which everything is put together that falls flat on its face for me.
Lutga said:
Everyone has their personal tastes - that's fair enough. I think there were definitely lessons-learnt when it came to the GL release, and I think we've already started to see improvements in some of Anime Ltd's more recent products.
I suppose the only other thing worth thinking about - is that ultimately, these companies are business, and business operating in an incredible niche market. Most anime titles are lucky to sell over 500 copies these days. And while there's definitely a lot to be said for gathering what the fans want and delivering up to that standard, I suppose there are limits - the UK has quite a specific market I feel when it comes to home entertainment, and that dictates prices to a certain degree, alongside the standard of releases.
And while we can always say - make it better, be better, challenge yourself to do better - there's a limit to that, I feel, if the company wants to get the balance right. The worst thing ever would be if Anime Ltd splurged all its cash-flow on trying to get a high-value item out into the market, only for it to absolutely bomb, or lose them money, and for the company to then go bust and all its titles go OOP again.
I'm someone who's very passionate about supporting UK releases, but that's just me.
(For the record, those Patlabor releases do look absolutely stunning)
I agree, like I said it would be a shame if Anime Limited followed my advice as that would ultimately be its demise in a market that sees 1000 copies sold for a whole month as a huge success and everything else in the triple or even double digits. Scary numbers indeed from a person who follows video games sales and sees games selling millions of copies labelled as failures, but that's a different industry all together
I'm happy with that I guess, what Anime Limited are doing works for them, and ultimately for what it's worth they have the highest quality packages in the UK anime space. Does that speak more about the competition than anything else? Maybe. I guess I was just projecting my upset at what the state of anime is like here in the UK and how anime is treated here on home releases in particular, and that being like kids movies, disposable.
And I'm glad you too like the Patlabor sets!
britguy said:
Im happy you're fine paying just £150 for that release but I would'nt be.
It was more to do with the sentiment really, the idea that I'm happy paying the money for quality packages and hold very little value for tat and trinkets contrary to popular belief. It was an extreme but real example
Stiivun said:
Those Patlabor releases look indeed really good, but i suspect you're pretty fluent in Japanese too then ? Since like you said they have neither a dub or sub in English. Just wondering.
Not really. It's kind of embarrassing but I own loads of Blu-ray imports that lack English dub/sub...just because I love the source material soo much. Money can't get in the way of my Patlabor love I guess. A lot of it might be dubious legally speaking so I won't go too much in depth but I do back them up on my computer and extract subtitles from DVD copies I own. A lot of work but worth it