UK Anime Distributor Anime Limited Discussion Thread

qaiz said:
Why are releases like the ones above so hard to replicate? People who think I'm being negative over the lack of contents have it wrong. The Patlabor Blu-rays above for example had me salivating at just the artwork alone. I paid upward of over £150 for those two; no English dub or sub, just a nice box with two amarays each and a little booklet with some gorgeous artwork is enough.

Those Patlabor releases look indeed really good, but i suspect you're pretty fluent in Japanese too then ? Since like you said they have neither a dub or sub in English. Just wondering.
 
Rui said:
I think that's a pretty reasonable response. And it offers a challenge to Anime Limited: qaiz openly admits a personal bias in taste but if things keep getting better then it's the company's job to make their releases too good to pass up. Really sad to hear about the wrecked Patema set though as mine was pristine and it's disappointing when something arrives messed up.

Japanese releases are delicious (I sometimes get my Mononoke BD set out just to look at it happily) and of course they keep the really good stuff back for themselves a lot of the time, but I think we're moving in the right direction now. I think that what Anime Limited are trying to do for us is good stuff, from commissioning unique art from the actual creative staff (love it or hate it, I really liked that they did that with Patema) to fixing little niggles people flag up on the forums when many competitors don't fix large niggles people flag up, ever. qaiz doesn't agree at the moment, but as quality improves who knows where things will end up :)

I like the idea of the companies using their best efforts to try to tempt people away from the alternatives by making the best local versions possible. The buyer generally wins.

R

I really appreciate your comment and I'm glad that you can see where I'm coming from, and to be fair I think everybody else here understands too, it's just got a lot to do with the fact that I can find it difficult to articulate myself at times :)

Like you said, I do have a personal bias, one that is very particular and revolves around ideas that might not hold as much weight or value for others so the idea that Anime Limited should contort their ideas to suit me is silly. I truly believe in artistic vision/integrity and would be upset if I was to dissuade Anime Limited from pursuing ideas and concepts that they feel strongly for just to make me happy, and I'm thankful that in the real world it doesn't work like that. My wants don't hold more weight than anyone else’s, but that doesn't deter me from voicing them :p

Most people were happy with how Patema turned out, but even outside of the damage I still had some distaste for it. I understand why it is the way it is, but I still don't believe in that size/form-factor. I don't own Giovanni's Island but that's another release that others were happy with in regards to how it turned out. I thought that it looked really nice from a cursory glance, so you can hazard a guess to my reaction when I found out the dimensions of the thing. It's a weird thing to complain about, but...is it really? Does a 2 disc digipak really need to be that big? I like art-books, I own a few myself but generally I feel happy enough importing one from Japan for £30+ by itself than compromise the whole Blu-ray package just for an art-book that generally never justifies itself. I thought that the artwork used for the Patema cover was more than fine, but again just looked odd on that massive box and the practically plain inside of the digipak again was a strange waste of a huge canvas.

Japanese releases are 9 times out of 10 just sublime to look at, and that's not due to contents because in terms of on disc content I think Anime Limited are one of the best, in regards to the ultimate sets at least. You get a lot of mileage for your money in terms of on-disc content with Lagann, but it's the physical stuff that lets it down. I thought that the KLK set Anime Limited released was pretty good when it was all said and done, but the show itself for me just doesn't justify its price point for the complete set. And yes, let me make that clear, that’s my opinion on the show and again I understand why it costs what it does and have seen the regional breakdowns. But that kind of release of a show like Lagann? 3 high quality boxes, with normal sized digipaks and a nice little book for £40 each? I would have preferred that a lot more, but again I'm in the minority there 100%.

For me, on paper everything Anime Limited release is pretty good, and I say good because the things like the dip in video quality of Lagann lets it down from being great on paper. It's just the fit and finish and the way in which everything is put together that falls flat on its face for me.

Lutga said:
Everyone has their personal tastes - that's fair enough. I think there were definitely lessons-learnt when it came to the GL release, and I think we've already started to see improvements in some of Anime Ltd's more recent products.

I suppose the only other thing worth thinking about - is that ultimately, these companies are business, and business operating in an incredible niche market. Most anime titles are lucky to sell over 500 copies these days. And while there's definitely a lot to be said for gathering what the fans want and delivering up to that standard, I suppose there are limits - the UK has quite a specific market I feel when it comes to home entertainment, and that dictates prices to a certain degree, alongside the standard of releases.

And while we can always say - make it better, be better, challenge yourself to do better - there's a limit to that, I feel, if the company wants to get the balance right. The worst thing ever would be if Anime Ltd splurged all its cash-flow on trying to get a high-value item out into the market, only for it to absolutely bomb, or lose them money, and for the company to then go bust and all its titles go OOP again.

I'm someone who's very passionate about supporting UK releases, but that's just me.

(For the record, those Patlabor releases do look absolutely stunning)

I agree, like I said it would be a shame if Anime Limited followed my advice as that would ultimately be its demise in a market that sees 1000 copies sold for a whole month as a huge success and everything else in the triple or even double digits. Scary numbers indeed from a person who follows video games sales and sees games selling millions of copies labelled as failures, but that's a different industry all together :p I'm happy with that I guess, what Anime Limited are doing works for them, and ultimately for what it's worth they have the highest quality packages in the UK anime space. Does that speak more about the competition than anything else? Maybe. I guess I was just projecting my upset at what the state of anime is like here in the UK and how anime is treated here on home releases in particular, and that being like kids movies, disposable.

And I'm glad you too like the Patlabor sets! :)

britguy said:
Im happy you're fine paying just £150 for that release but I would'nt be.
It was more to do with the sentiment really, the idea that I'm happy paying the money for quality packages and hold very little value for tat and trinkets contrary to popular belief. It was an extreme but real example :)

Stiivun said:
Those Patlabor releases look indeed really good, but i suspect you're pretty fluent in Japanese too then ? Since like you said they have neither a dub or sub in English. Just wondering.

Not really. It's kind of embarrassing but I own loads of Blu-ray imports that lack English dub/sub...just because I love the source material soo much. Money can't get in the way of my Patlabor love I guess. A lot of it might be dubious legally speaking so I won't go too much in depth but I do back them up on my computer and extract subtitles from DVD copies I own. A lot of work but worth it :p
 
Stiivun said:
qaiz said:
Why are releases like the ones above so hard to replicate? People who think I'm being negative over the lack of contents have it wrong. The Patlabor Blu-rays above for example had me salivating at just the artwork alone. I paid upward of over £150 for those two; no English dub or sub, just a nice box with two amarays each and a little booklet with some gorgeous artwork is enough.

Those Patlabor releases look indeed really good, but i suspect you're pretty fluent in Japanese too then ? Since like you said they have neither a dub or sub in English. Just wondering.

I bought the Gunbuster/Diebuster boxsets which are in the same situation, and I'm totally incapable of understanding. The sets were just THAT pretty (I think I may have a problem...). Though to be fair I've watched their subbed counterparts enough to understand what was going on.

Since we're back on the topic of packaging... I would really like to see releases like the sets qaiz is suggesting too. They may be a bit spartan for some people, but their beauty is in their simplicity. I love the fact I can choose to display a pretty box, or just to have the blu-rays out to save a bit of space. Though packaging isn't as much of a deal breaker for me, I'd be happy with just a release of some stuff...

I've probably mentioned before that I'm not oppose to digipaks done right either, and I must say, they've totally knocked it out of the park for the Kill la Kill sets as far as I'm concerned, they're amazing. If I had any really minor criticisms of them, it'd be that the spine artwork doesn't quite hide where the art has been wrapped around the box, and possibly the card used on the digipak itself being prone to scuffing.
 
What did people think of the Blood Lad packaging - I thought it was really nice and compact, the whole package has a really nice weight to it. For those that don't have it, the booklet is printed on glossier paper than some of the previous Anime Ltd books I think?
 
Lutga said:
What did people think of the Blood Lad packaging - I thought it was really nice and compact, the whole package has a really nice weight to it. For those that don't have it, the booklet is printed on glossier paper than some of the previous Anime Ltd books I think?

I don't have much interest in Blood Lad, but the packaging looks solid. The only thing I don't really like is the fact it's all glossy, part of the reason I adore the Kill la Kill sets so much is the part matte part gloss artwork. I suppose having an interest in the show and the artwork used too goes a long way towards approval too.

I have a couple of the other anime limited digipaks like Bebop and Perfect Blue, my main complaint with them is that they're a bit too thin (as well as the all gloss whining), they have a tendency to lean, since the artwork is glued under itself, it doesn't sit quite level. This seems to have been sorted by the slightly wider digipaks that include an art book or something.
 
Yeah I think AL have hit the nail on the head with colectors editions since releasing kill la kill. Need to just replicate that quality with every release going forward and I'll be happy.

Can't say I've been disappointed with any of the AL releases physically (other than the flimsy feeling digipack for TTGL)
 
NoSurprises said:
I bought the Gunbuster/Diebuster boxsets which are in the same situation, and I'm totally incapable of understanding. The sets were just THAT pretty (I think I may have a problem...). Though to be fair I've watched their subbed counterparts enough to understand what was going on.

Since we're back on the topic of packaging... I would really like to see releases like the sets qaiz is suggesting too. They may be a bit spartan for some people, but their beauty is in their simplicity. I love the fact I can choose to display a pretty box, or just to have the blu-rays out to save a bit of space. Though packaging isn't as much of a deal breaker for me, I'd be happy with just a release of some stuff...

I've probably mentioned before that I'm not oppose to digipaks done right either, and I must say, they've totally knocked it out of the park for the Kill la Kill sets as far as I'm concerned, they're amazing. If I had any really minor criticisms of them, it'd be that the spine artwork doesn't quite hide where the art has been wrapped around the box, and possibly the card used on the digipak itself being prone to scuffing.

Agreed, I've bought Laser Disc sets and all sorts of Blu-rays just because of the source material or the way the packaging looked (The End of Eva Laser Disc set is phenomenal!) I agree with you in regards to the comment on how with most Japanese releases, the beauty is from the simplicity itself. Rarely are those releases frilly, although you do get some more exotic sets like the Limited edition Ping Pong Blu-ray and the weird FLCL Blu-ray in the non-resealable wrapper and jewel case, but a vast majority of them are just a nice box, with nice art with a black or white amaray and like you said, I find myself lost in the artwork from time to time, and often pick them up off my shelf just to look at them.

Digipaks are fine in and of themselves, but I'm very peculiar in regards to them. The line between a good one and a bad one is very fine, which is weird for something that looks so simple. And yeah, the artwork not lining up on the spine is something that drives me mad and something I've seen a lot on the Anime Limited releases, with the paper fraying and coming off common too.

Lutga said:
What did people think of the Blood Lad packaging - I thought it was really nice and compact, the whole package has a really nice weight to it. For those that don't have it, the booklet is printed on glossier paper than some of the previous Anime Ltd books I think?
I don't own it, but it looks fine I guess. I can't say either way as the artwork is not to my taste, and neither is the show. It came with a keepcase did it not?

In any case, here's the latest Anime Limited Newswire Link with an un-boxing of KLK #2 Link and an update for the Mai Mai Miracle Kickstarer Link

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britguy said:
Re Blood Lad it was a digipack not a keep case
Thanks, maybe I'm thinking of the DVD set, or maybe my brain is failing me :p
Fake Edit: I see what confused me, there's an image on Google of the standard DVD keepcase release on top of the Blu-ray set, since somebody was presumably un-boxing both of them and I got confused and didn't realize they were two different products :p
 
For me the set for Blood Lad is one of my favourites but that's just because I really like the art style of the series and the fact the book contains plenty of this made me very happy.

RE keepcases, I hope Space Dandy season 2 sticks with the keep case and top loading just so the two parts match each other.
 
britguy said:
RE keepcases, I hope Space Dandy season 2 sticks with the keep case and top loading just so the two parts match each other.

1000x this. I hope the cover art has a similar look to part 1 too, I really liked what they did with the solid colour and sketches.
 
The only AL CE that's particularly bothered me so far from a packaging perspective is TTGL, and yes because of the digi holders. The rest have all ranged from fine to great for me.
 
Good news, I'd been hoping to have access to Seraph Of The End. Hope it goes up on a decent platform (i.e. not Animax UK).

I'm guessing that if you got that set of regions then Viewster is a very likely destination.

R
 
Sweet! That was my most anticipated show of the season.
Hopefully physical rights are obtained too and we get a (as usual) lovely release from you.
 
Will be happy if it ends up on Viewster - although I still think the ideal would be Crunchyroll, seeing as I already have a subscription there.

I really appreciate what Viewster are doing, but they still have quite a few teething issues - ie. player not as good, visual quality not as good, no way to get rid of the adverts.
 
Hopefully it will have new episodes on time whatever platform it's on... Tokyo Ghoul is still stuck at ep 7 on Animax. :cry:
 
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