http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10219655.stm
was watching it when it broke before i went to work
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was watching it when it broke before i went to work
que *anti GTA* speeches
12 Dead in Cumbria shooting spree
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Sparrowsabre7
Za Warudo
Oh is that what that was, caught news of a police chase on the news didn't know what had happened though
its an awful incident and I feel for the families of and the people involved, but lets not forget that things like this are rare and isolated (thankfully), im saying this as I know people (and sadly the vile machine that is the UK media) tend to be very reactionary and start blaming things left right and centre.
Sparrowsabre7
Za Warudo
Mutsumi said:
Yeah this is the first spree of its kind in...I don't know how many years, in America this kinda thing happens once a year at least it seems. Plus there were no indications this man was unstable prior to the shootings and he'd had the gun licences for 20 years. It's not like the Columbine massacre or the like where they just stocked up on guns and went shooting.
I'd say our laws do a pretty fine job keeping guns under control.
ayase
State Alchemist
If you have a licence, you're allowed air rifles and shotguns. Just nothing there's any danger people could ever go up against the police or army with, see. Worked very well in the government's favour that Dunblane thing.
It's a sad and terrible thing, but the way the media are handling this is frankly ridiculous, looking for answers where there aren't any. The guy just snapped - It could (and does) happen to anyone, he just happened to have a shotgun handy when it happened to him.
It's a sad and terrible thing, but the way the media are handling this is frankly ridiculous, looking for answers where there aren't any. The guy just snapped - It could (and does) happen to anyone, he just happened to have a shotgun handy when it happened to him.
Sparrowsabre7
Za Warudo
ayase said:
I like the Sun's headline yesterday. Not content with a man simply snapping, he's also now "obsessed with Thai hookers"... *sigh*
Sparrowsabre7
Za Warudo
stuart-says-yes said:
Coupla kids at my school caused an armed response unit to come out because they were driving around shooting BBs at people... I still can't believe they weren't suspended or expelled, they totally would've deserved it.
ayase said:
Yes because clearly we really need the ability to be able to kill our own government. ¬_¬
Of course guns should be more tightly restricted. Unless your actual job is the control of pests so large you cannot trap them, you should not have a gun. To be honest, no civilian in the UK should have a gun, and pest controllers can just find another way. Guns only belong in the hands of the police and the military.
ayase
State Alchemist
Yes, I rather think we do. If the people don't have the ability to depose the government, through force if necessary, they can and will do what they like. What makes the police or military any different to us? One thing - they are subservient to the government.Mutsumi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_revolution
ayase said:
The 'Right of Revolution' has no place in a civilised and democratic society. Don't like the people in charge? Vote them out, or vote in the first place if you did not do so before. The police and military, while they may be employed by the government, are still free-thinking human beings. That they work for the government makes no difference.
ayase
State Alchemist
We're just different people Mutsumi. I think we established as much last time we talked about this. Fear is the only thing driving either of our opinions - You're more frightened of other individuals coming to get you with a gun, I'm more frightened of powerful organisations such as governments doing the same.
Fear of reprisal keeps people in line (that's why people obey laws) but that should include our rulers. The more threats to their power someone can eliminate the more powerful they become. And don't even get me started on "democracy". In a democracy, whoever has the most money and is in bed with the most media organisations and corporations wins.
Fear of reprisal keeps people in line (that's why people obey laws) but that should include our rulers. The more threats to their power someone can eliminate the more powerful they become. And don't even get me started on "democracy". In a democracy, whoever has the most money and is in bed with the most media organisations and corporations wins.
ayase said:
What a wonderfully well considered way of putting it. ^_^ You are right in what you are saying, however I must ask, why do you feel that powerful organisations are more of a threat to yourself than individuals? The very subject of this thread demonstrates how an individual can be a threat to you, but I want to hear your version of how organisations will threaten us. You may assume that I will disagree with you, but if you have logic and reasoning for your belief as I am sure you will demonstrate, then I would very much like the privilege of hearing it.
Regarding democracy, I agree with your point about how the media hold a huge influence over the opinions of the people. Thus, I believe their power should be reigned in somewhat. Journalistic freedom allows opinions to corrupt the accurate reporting of facts. It allows the sensationalising of things to stir public opinion into shifting one way or the other.