The anime crash

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In case you have not noticed we are in a crash in the anime industery (you dont say)... My question is will it recover from this crash? I personally think it will at the moment it seems to be going thru a transision period its going to be messy during this time but at the end of it all I think it will sort itself out so we can all get back to simple anime fandom.


Can we also compare what has happend over the past year with what happend in 1983 with the computer game industery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer ... sh_of_1983



Now im not saying that when anime gets back on its feet again it will be as big as gaming is today. But I do belive the anime industery will come back from all this mess.

Thoughts?
 
An industry crash would be hitting a lot harder, an awful lot harder. What's happening right now is that ADV US had problems due to taking out a LOT of credit on things that weren't paying out in the short term, and Geneon are semi-gone as a result of that too.

DVD sales are down, yes, but as a lot of industry reps will tell you that's because the single DVD market in the UK is dying in favour of the 3 disc/6 disc boxes people are buying instead.

Frankly in the UK all we've seen so far is the rug pulled out from ADV....when we lose either MVM, Manga or Beez then I'll call it a crash... (especially MVM as Tony is an extremely careful businessman).
 
i take it you mean the western releasing side of anime is in a crash as it looks like in its country of origin things are about the same. I don't think we can compare to the two though as with the great game crash it was mostly a single companies fault (Atari, they made a lot of bad business decisions that didn't work out so well) Though ironically it was a japanese company that saved the games industy.

Back to the main thing, we can't say its crashing though, we can normally only apply things like that after its happened, when we look back. If things do turn worse then i think they'll recover. All it will take is for them to be conservative with what they relesase, and not do what ADV did
 
Whilst ADV were doing things like geting into debt, they were in no way helping themselves by not releaseing the shows and/or manga they have.

ADV have largely dug thier own hole and they have no one else to blame.

Heard Gonzo is on death watch too, huh, I wonder why as I sit here not watching Strike Witches, wanting to have a Legal DVD of Seto no hanayome and curse thier guts for pulling such a poor ending for Tower of Duraga (or any number of shows they did) out of thier asses.
 
Hmmm some good points there, I suppose it hasnt crashed its just going thru a somewhat rough patch. But yeah as Mr Chom says if any of these other companys which are careful (especially manga entertainment) happen to go under then there be a big problem......It would take somthing massive for manga entertainment to go under.
 
EpicLulz said:
Hmmm some good points there, I suppose it hasnt crashed its just going thru a somewhat rough patch. But yeah as Mr Chom says if any of these other companys which are careful (especially manga entertainment) happen to go under then there be a big problem......It would take somthing massive for manga entertainment to go under.
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Manga ent. don't so much go under as they get bought by someone else. Each company not knowing less dick than the previous one. That's why we had Dubtitle Naruto Unleashed not geting bought.
 
Conan-san said:
Whilst ADV were doing things like geting into debt, they were in no way helping themselves by not releaseing the shows and/or manga they have.

ADV have largely dug thier own hole and they have no one else to blame.

Heard Gonzo is on death watch too, huh, I wonder why as I sit here not watching Strike Witches, wanting to have a Legal DVD of Seto no hanayome and curse thier guts for pulling such a poor ending for Tower of Duraga (or any number of shows they did) out of thier asses.
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The reason that ADV did not release certain titles was simply due to the Japanese licensors not providing them with the masters. Without them they were unable to produce the final DVDs and release them. This, I believe, was largely fuelled by the deal with Sojitz going sour so can be attributed to that. The fundamental flaw was ADV getting into such an unstable position in the first instance.
 
Conan-san said:
EpicLulz said:
Hmmm some good points there, I suppose it hasnt crashed its just going thru a somewhat rough patch. But yeah as Mr Chom says if any of these other companys which are careful (especially manga entertainment) happen to go under then there be a big problem......It would take somthing massive for manga entertainment to go under.
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Manga ent. don't so much go under as they get bought by someone else. Each company not knowing less dick than the previous one. That's why we had Dubtitle Naruto Unleashed not geting bought.
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I don't know where you get your info from, but in the UK where 5,000 unit sales for a title is a GREAT title Naruto Unleashed is packing 10k+ sales on a boxset.
 
I'm gunna stick my neck out and put my POV out for the UK anime scene and this maybe slightly off topic but i feel its slightly relivent to the subject.
In my honest opinion i dont think the UK has EVER had an anime market. You can argue that lots of companies have brought out anime here but its always and will currently be niche. America has is the larger nation and yes, they tend to consume more than we do but i just dont understand why europe and the UK constantly get screwed over with anime releases. The rate in which we gain releases is in most cases ridiculous and i really dont see why the consumer doesnt just import all their anime, considering it costs half the price and america get it a hell of alot faster than the UK would get it. There are also series we're never going to get over here aswell and i personally have given up hope of ever gaining those releases here.

So basically i think that the UK anime market of recient is something of joke for most anime fans. We dont get nearly enough releases here, they cost way too sodding much and we have to wait a year or two after the american release. I just pray that digital downloading and simultanious releases happen soon so the industry can finally pull their heads out of their arses and really sell anime at the correct time and rate they deserve.

feel free to flame, im just giving my honest opinion.
 
I'm afraid you've answered your own question there.
The reason our Anime is delayed, less frequent and more expensive than the US is because we basically don't have a market for it over here.

My take is that the high prices and limited releases are a result of the small market, but by the same token they are also partly the cause of it.

Distributors need to be selective in what they license and charge more for the titles they release here in order to stay in business, but this way of doing things stagnates the market, putting off aspiring new fans with the high prices and turning everyone else to importing from abroad or using 'other' means to get their Anime.

It's a nasty catch-22 situation and I'm not sure what could be done to resolve it.
 
Gawyn said:
The reason that ADV did not release certain titles was simply due to the Japanese licensors not providing them with the masters. Without them they were unable to produce the final DVDs and release them. This, I believe, was largely fuelled by the deal with Sojitz going sour so can be attributed to that. The fundamental flaw was ADV getting into such an unstable position in the first instance.
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Correction, the funimental flaw is not comunicating such problems to the public.

How the hell is joe public supposed to decern "We're not releasing this" from "We can't release this"?

Also, I have my doubts as far as certain titles are concerned (Yotsubato springs to mind imediantly).
 
I wish I could join in on the conversation, but I have no idea about the market or ADV going bust. All I know is the UK is always last to recieve anything and I bet the japanese are laughing their arses off at us.
 
Foxstripe said:
I wish I could join in on the conversation, but I have no idea about the market or ADV going bust. All I know is the UK is always last to recieve anything and I bet the japanese are laughing their arses off at us.
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They're laughing their arses off because they're swimming in the buckets of money MVM, ADV, and Manga are paying them to just get the rights to bring a title over.

Anyway, we may be the last to get stuff, but at least we seem to not have the production fuckups of the US. See: any DVD made by Bandai ever. Compared to that Beez are actually.....very good. Heck, they gave me Escaflowne for £10 cheaper than the US (yes, admittedly that was convention prices, so sue me).
 
MrChom said:
Anyway, we may be the last to get stuff, but at least we seem to not have the production fuckups of the US. See: any DVD made by Bandai ever. Compared to that Beez are actually.....very good. Heck, they gave me Escaflowne for £10 cheaper than the US (yes, admittedly that was convention prices, so sue me).
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Didn't Andrew from Beez say that most of their new stuff was going to be mastered by Bandai from now on though?

Pretty much like going 'Oh i've got a cut, i'll get rid of it with this chainsaw.'
 
Tasker said:
MrChom said:
Anyway, we may be the last to get stuff, but at least we seem to not have the production fuckups of the US. See: any DVD made by Bandai ever. Compared to that Beez are actually.....very good. Heck, they gave me Escaflowne for £10 cheaper than the US (yes, admittedly that was convention prices, so sue me).
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Didn't Andrew from Beez say that most of their new stuff was going to be mastered by Bandai from now on though?

Pretty much like going 'Oh i've got a cut, i'll get rid of it with this chainsaw.'
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Yeah. but usually by the time they get round to giving it to us the US has had its bucketfuls of complaints about missing audio tracks, dubtitles, dodgy discs, mislabelled discs, missing content etc.

I'm waiting for the day when they forget to put the English language track on one of them, mind, you KNOW it's going to happen.
 
MrChom said:
Tasker said:
MrChom said:
Anyway, we may be the last to get stuff, but at least we seem to not have the production fuckups of the US. See: any DVD made by Bandai ever. Compared to that Beez are actually.....very good. Heck, they gave me Escaflowne for £10 cheaper than the US (yes, admittedly that was convention prices, so sue me).
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Didn't Andrew from Beez say that most of their new stuff was going to be mastered by Bandai from now on though?

Pretty much like going 'Oh i've got a cut, i'll get rid of it with this chainsaw.'
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Yeah. but usually by the time they get round to giving it to us the US has had its bucketfuls of complaints about missing audio tracks, dubtitles, dodgy discs, mislabelled discs, missing content etc.

I'm waiting for the day when they forget to put the English language track on one of them, mind, you KNOW it's going to happen.
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Already did; Gurren Lagan
 
chaos said:
really? was it supposed to have an english track and then it came with nothing???? :/
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No, he is talking rubbish. Bandai are doing a two phase release of Gurren Lagan. In order to release it quickly, given the amount of time that has elapsed since it was originally announced as licenced by ADV they chose to do a quick, sub-only release to cater for impatient fans. A release with dub and subtitles is due a few months after.
 
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