Spice and Wolf

Aion

Time-Traveller
Note: I posted this earlier on today in the "What have you just watched?" thread. After thinking, I figured it's a better idea to put my thoughts in this section.

For reasons unknown, I just sat through episodes 1-7 of Spice and Wolf even though I was tired to begin with. Not knowing anything going into it, I didn't expect the series to be too complicated going on the title alone. It wasn't a nice surprise to have to sit through fairly complex (for me at least) trading discussions after expecting a fun and simple show. I have to admit to understanding very little of the economic elements of the story, and blogs aren't helping me much when the typers seem to be remaining vague on purpose. I'm just glad that reviewers on MAL do mention that the trading chatter is confusing and not simplified as much as it could be - they've made me feel slightly less dumb and I can now continue watching without worrying about the size of my brain.

What's kept me watching, like pretty much everyone else who has watched it, is the relationship between Lawrence and Horo. Horo, a wolf God in human form, shows intelligence, playfulness and weakness depending on the situation, which makes her both loveable and interesting. I believe the term for her type of character is 'tsundre', which I think describes a character who acts tough but has a hidden weak side she shows to select few. The character she shows her weakness to, Lawrence, is a kind-hearted yet very smart trader, and his personality blends well with his loveable companion, with the two often flirting and having intelligent conversations at the same time. I can see myself watching the remaining episodes later today, and the only reason is to see more flirty/fun scenes involving the unlikely trader and wolf couple.

After 7 episodes, I don't think it's the best series ever, the dull and fairly complex trading chatter weighing the series down, but it's also unique thanks to it being a story that focuses on trading and the relationship between the main two make it a hard series to stop watching. I can see Horo entering into my favourite character list and me becoming an animal lover by the time the series ends!

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In addition to my above thoughts, I'd like to add that it's going to be interesting to see how the relationship between the two develops on a sexual level when Horo only disguises herself as a human - her true form is a scary looking (and huge!) wolf. Unless the transformation allows for more than good looks, their relationship is going to have to be one without any 'fun'. It's reminiscent of the situation Chi found herself in in Chobits.

And, talking of Horo's true form, I found it moving in episode 6 when Lawrence looked fearfully at Horo and she walked away from him. It was only natural for him to react like that in the face of a huge monster, but the hurt in Horo's eyes made it quite painful to see him act like that after she saved him. At least he tried to repair the damage by attempting to prevent her from leaving...

I'm now going to go and rewatch 1-7 to try to gain a better understanding of the trading chatter. I forsee much pausing and head banging.
 
Although there's no guarantee when are tastes tend to differ as much as they do, I'm pretty sure you'll like it because you enjoyed shows like Kino's Journey and Mushishi. Spice and Wolf is a little different, the main difference being that not every episode is episodic, but the traveling aspect and unusual story about the dealings of the mercent and his relationship with a 'wolf' should allow you to get into it. It also has lots of intelligent dialogue.
 
Sounds like the sort of thing I'd enjoy. Being released by Kadokawa in the US apparently (though no distro attached yet) so I might hang on for that as I've quite a bit to get through already.
 
Watched this a while back, was one series i quite liked through and through actually. The whole story i thought made a change from a lot of the general stuff you find out at the moment. I wouldn't say the whole trade story was the main part that took me in, as of course Horo's and Lawrence's characters did take me in as well, but it certainly didn't turn me away either. I dunno, maybe i just like that something different every now and then, but there we go. I found myself reading some of the light novels as well, mainly just covering season 1 again(volumes 1 and 2), but i'm tempted to move onto the 3rd novel and just carry on. Season 2 i think is due out next year as well, i don't know how much of the novels it plans to cover(there is 8 out, soon to be 9 i believe), probably another 13 episode series, but i'm going to look forward to that too.
 
Finished watching the series just now. I was a little disappointed with the ending since I was hoping Lawrence would kiss Horo instead of just teasing her, but I suppose it would've been a little rushed when the first series only covered 2/7 of the novels. I'm looking forward to watching the second season whenever it starts airing. :)

It's a bit odd that I liked the series so much when the plot focused on hard to understand economic discussions most of the time. From start to finish, I only watched the show because Horo's a great character and the main two made a great combination, their conversations always ending up with one teasing the other (usually Horo manipulating poor Lawrence into buying her things). If the series had focused more on Lawrence and Horo's relationship and less on the boring stuff then I would've rated it higher than 8/10, maybe even given it a 10/10. Just like Spike Spiegal saved Cowboy Bebop from only ever being a decent action series with no depth, Horo saved Spice and Wolf from being the most boring series ever.

This random blog person summed up my thoughts:
In all fair unlike some I did prefer the show in a slow pace, but the economics just kept giving me a migraine. I had to pause the video nearly every second just so I could understand the plot. My catchphrase was always “What did he say?” or “What did she say?

I'm hoping the next series will either show the main two stop beating around the bush (in more ways than one) or show Horo's homeland. As much as I love Horo, I don't think I'd enjoy a second season involving more pointless trading plots and no advancement in the relationship of the main two. In short, I either want wolf drama or beastality, preferably a bit of both.
 
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Aion said:
In short, I either want wolf drama or beastality, preferably a bit of both.
:D

I watched the first two episdes and I agree that the interaction between the two leads is both entertaining and fascinating. Horo in particular is quite fabulous.

But I have a couple of questions. What does Lawrence mean when he says that Horo "lives within the wheat"? And why, exactly, has Horo assumed the form of a human? Seeing as my mind has a annoying tendency to wander under every conceivable circumstance, it's entirely possible that both of these issues were explained and I simply missed them.

Also, at the end of the second episode, Horo and Lawrence were speaking about wolves when Horo implied that she herself had killed a human. Then, smiling, she said something to Lawrence that wasn't subtitled. Little help?
 
The wheat issue isn't explained in detail in the first series. It might be explained later on in the story but, with this being anime, I'm not expecting a decent explanation for the supernatural elements. I recommend you don't think too much so early - you'll most likely need to think to follow some of the trading talk later.

As for your second paragraph, she hints that she's killed humans that entered the forst out of fear in the past and then stops Lawrence questioning her by saying that everyone has things they'd rather not talk about - just like he Lawrence didn't want to talk about how he saw people devoured by wolves and barely escaped. I don't recall KAA missing any subtitles... Don't tell me you're watching LQ fansubs?

I kinda have a question of my own caused by the KAA subtitles: Why did Horo call Lawrence "master"? It seemed a tad out of place for her, a wolf God, to refer to a lowly human as her master. Rather than see a female character kneel before a male character, I would've preferred to see them talk as equals. I'm hoping it was just a subtitle issue.
 
Aion said:
As for your second paragraph, she hints that she's killed humans that entered the forst out of fear in the past and then stops Lawrence questioning her by saying that everyone has things they'd rather not talk about - just like he Lawrence didn't want to talk about how he saw people devoured by wolves and barely escaped. I don't recall KAA missing any subtitles... Don't tell me you're watching LQ fansubs?
I've just discovered that it's a problem with my media player. VLC doesn't seem to handle subtitles very well, with this happening a lot, so I used GOM instead, which handles them much better but for some reason misses a few out altogether.

The line I missed was "we're even now" or something to that effect.
 
...you've been on the internet for X years and you still haven't figured out that VLC is horrible for watching anime with?

Get Zoom Player. It allows for easy switching between audio tracks and subtitles on DVD-rips. Of course, it also plays fansubs perfectly.
 
Aion said:
...you've been on the internet for X years and you still haven't figured out that VLC is horrible for watching anime with?

Get Zoom Player. It allows for easy switching between audio tracks and subtitles on DVD-rips. Of course, it also plays fansubs perfectly.
Seconded. VLC is rubbish with soft-subs.
 
Aion said:
...you've been on the internet for X years and you still haven't figured out that VLC is horrible for watching anime with?
More like "I've been on the internet for X years and I can count on both hands the number of times I've watched fansubs on my PC". I'll try Zoom.
 
Don't worry, I never thought for a second that for years you've been using VLC and watching anime with huge and ugly subtitles. Not at all.

By ze way, in case you don't know, the KAA torrent comes with a marathon file. If you double click it (press twice on the left side of your mouse) it makes the entire series play like a 4 hour and 30 minute film, playing the OP only at the start.
 
Aion said:
If you double click it (press twice on the left side of your mouse)
I KILL YOU

Hmm, I don't have that file for whatever reason. Not that it matters, as there's no way I could sit watching anything for 4-and-half hours. Also, Zoom is splendid.
 
Fabio: Unless you've somehow managed to download the wrong torrent when all you had to do was go on the KAA site, this is what you should be seeing when you open your folder:

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The marathon file is a great little extra for those who hate having to keep stopping and starting every 20 minutes, skipping the OP at the start of every episode. It'd be awesome if DVDs had a similar option; it'd beat the crappy clean OP/ED 'extras'. Although it would be rather difficult to watch something for so long, it does improve the viewing experience to have the story flow from start to finish.

Luppy: Your lack of ability to read posts that continue for a longer than one sentence tells me you'd fit right in over on Youtube. Go and make some friends.

And, yes, I do love Horo. After seeing her ears twitch made me think "How cute!!!" on numerous occasions, I now understand what 'moe' means. If only all females had wagging tales and twitchy ears that express feelings... :(
 
Aion said:
Luppy: Your lack of ability to read posts that continue for a longer than one sentence tells me you'd fit right in over on Youtube. Go and make some friends.
Damn it, Aion, don't make me rage on you bro.


Aion said:
And, yes, I do love Horo. After seeing her ears twitch made me think "How cute!!!" on numerous occasions, I now understand what 'moe' means. If only all females had wagging tales and twitchy ears that express feelings... :(

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WHAT.

But yes, I've never watched the anime of Spice and Wolf, read the manga though, it was alright, but the artwork was a bit... eh.
 
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