New poll; anime as cartoons?

Red XIII said:
Anyway, this Beginner's Guide to anime summarises what's been said here quite nicely.
That reads like a very antiquated anime guide!!

My definition is purely:
Anime = Japanese animation.
Cartoon = Anything animated that ain't Japanese. (I think this is why I can't get to grips with Korean animation!!).

Some people who read manga have the same problem with Korean manga and just won't read it because it's not Japanese!! I don't have a problem with manga but there is a very distinct difference with Korean and Japanese manga!
 
Miaka-chan said:
My definition is purely:
Anime = Japanese animation.
Cartoon = Anything animated that ain't Japanese. (I think this is why I can't get to grips with Korean animation!!).
The problem with that definition of anime is that so little of it is actually produced entirely in Japan any more. Vast quantities of the stuff are animated largely in places like Korea (as is much American animation), which is blurring the disctinction of "where it was made" even more. You could argue that anime applies to anime written/planned in Japan, but where would that leave something like Howl's Moving Castle, which was based on a novel from England?
 
aniki said:
The problem with that definition of anime is that so little of it is actually produced entirely in Japan any more. Vast quantities of the stuff are animated largely in places like Korea (as is much American animation), which is blurring the disctinction of "where it was made" even more. You could argue that anime applies to anime written/planned in Japan, but where would that leave something like Howl's Moving Castle, which was based on a novel from England?

There's no problem with my definition! If it's by a Japanese animation company it's Japanese animation/anime! The Powerpuff girls isn't Japanese but when the Japanese animation company make their version, it will become anime :wink:
I can't be arsed to distinguish as far as that, that's over-analyzing!
Very few Ghibli movies have anything to do with Miyazaki, most of the ideas come from elsewhere, including one of the new ones on the cards, it's french or something!
 
Miaka-chan said:
aniki said:
The problem with that definition of anime is that so little of it is actually produced entirely in Japan any more. Vast quantities of the stuff are animated largely in places like Korea (as is much American animation), which is blurring the disctinction of "where it was made" even more. You could argue that anime applies to anime written/planned in Japan, but where would that leave something like Howl's Moving Castle, which was based on a novel from England?

There's no problem with my definition! If it's by a Japanese animation company it's Japanese animation/anime! The Powerpuff girls isn't Japanese but when the Japanese animation company make their version, it will become anime :wink:
I can't be arsed to distinguish as far as that, that's over-analyzing!
Very few Ghibli movies have anything to do with Miyazaki, most of the ideas come from elsewhere, including one of the new ones on the cards, it's french or something!
It's french :?
 
Miaka-chan said:
There's no problem with my definition! If it's by a Japanese animation company it's Japanese animation/anime!
But like I said, most of the animation work for anime nowadays is done by Korean studios. It may have been financed by Japanese companies, but it was techically animated in Korea.

Which then leads us to stuff like Kino's Journey and other anime series, which are increasingly being co-financed by American licensors like ADV and FUNimation - is it still anime as long as there's a Japanese producer somewhere on the payroll?

KittySeras said:
Miaka-chan said:
Very few Ghibli movies have anything to do with Miyazaki, most of the ideas come from elsewhere, including one of the new ones on the cards, it's french or something!
It's french :?
Well, there are three Ghibli movies in the works, and while one of them might be based on a French source, as far as I know the only one that's had details released beyond the director is based on a Chinese book.

As for "[v]ery few Ghibli movies have anything to do with Miyazaki, most of the ideas come from elsewhere", Miyazaki writes most of his own stuff as far as I know, as well as doing concept work for other films like The Cat Returns.
 
For me, anime is much more than an animation style, it's an original way of telling a story. Some of Naruto is animated in Korea, but it's an undeniably Japanese production thanks to the creative staff (director etc) sitting at the top of these projects.

It's important to seperate creativity and finance too. ADV was one sixth of the investors in Kino's Journey, but it's been produced by a Japanese animation studio, director and other creative staff.

aniki said:
People still see anime as violent pornography, even when it's not, and to get rid of that stigma, we need to lose the distinguishing label.

I disagree, we just need more anime to break through into the mainstream. If I asked you to describe rap music in the 80s, the majority would all immediately assume it's just gun toting gangster music. Don't underestimate man's ability to adapt- anime is a good word, we just need it to stick around for a little longer ;)
 
the whole originality thing is what got me into anime in the first place. some of the plotlines are pretty outrageous on paper but they somehow work magnificently on screen and that's what makes me spend wads of cash i can ill afford on watching it! the Japanese outlook on film making and life in general is very different to our own and that is unfortunately what puts some people off. sadly, they are missing out on one hell of a lot but i'm aware i'm preaching to the converted there!
 
aniki said:
Miaka-chan said:
There's no problem with my definition! If it's by a Japanese animation company it's Japanese animation/anime!
But like I said, most of the animation work for anime nowadays is done by Korean studios. It may have been financed by Japanese companies, but it was techically animated in Korea.
......but why does that instantly mean I/we can't call it anime? as I said, worrying about where it was finished is neither here nor there. The original concept for maybe 80% of anime is from a manga or novel written and illustrated by a Japanese person(s), therefore the idea/story/artwork is Japanese. The pencil drawings for said manga to be animated are done by underpaid Japanese anime artists. It is then shown on Japanese terebii :lol: and finianced by a Japanese company! I can't see that just because the final part might be done in Korea it makes the "whole" less Japanese!!
I know a lot of Japanese anime toys are made in China, it doesn't instantly make them Chinese toys :?
 
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