Neferpitou
Stand User
Just curious to know what females forum members views are on Moe/Fan service Anime and Manga Material?
Do you loath it, love it or somewhere in between?
Do you loath it, love it or somewhere in between?
Females views on Moe/Fan Service Anime/MANGA?
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I have nothing against 'moe' - there's tons of moe stuff for girls too. When a series is nothing at all other than the broad concept of "let's make something moe because moe sells", it's disappointing, but series aimed at both genders have been guilty of this. I find gruff characters extremely moe, such as Germany in Hetalia or Giroro in Keroro Gunsou. Please note that in the latter case especially I am using the word 'moe' in its pure form, rather than the lascivious way it is often used online.
Fan service is fine, I love it. I prefer it when it teases rather than, as with some recent series, seems to be participating in an arms race to parade as much nudity across the screen as possible with no particular grace or intelligence, but that's just the current fashion. I eagerly await my Queens Blade blu-ray set in February.
I don't personally like the current josou shounen stuff though I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. Female-orientated stuff has long played around with gender roles, and some of my favourite characters are known for this. Josou shounen doesn't interest me personally because I prefer sly, mature archetypes to cute ones no matter how they present themselves. The 'shounen' is the sticking point for me more than the 'josou'. Having said that if I'm watching a show I enjoy and it features these elements, it won't bug me at all. Especially not if it's done interestingly.
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Fan service is fine, I love it. I prefer it when it teases rather than, as with some recent series, seems to be participating in an arms race to parade as much nudity across the screen as possible with no particular grace or intelligence, but that's just the current fashion. I eagerly await my Queens Blade blu-ray set in February.
I don't personally like the current josou shounen stuff though I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. Female-orientated stuff has long played around with gender roles, and some of my favourite characters are known for this. Josou shounen doesn't interest me personally because I prefer sly, mature archetypes to cute ones no matter how they present themselves. The 'shounen' is the sticking point for me more than the 'josou'. Having said that if I'm watching a show I enjoy and it features these elements, it won't bug me at all. Especially not if it's done interestingly.
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ayase
State Alchemist
I find the gender specification for replies in this thread discriminatory (and let's be honest, with that policy in place you're going to get all of two legitimate replies). Having been accused of being a woman by Aion on multiple occasions, I invoke my right to reply.
Fanservice is harmless sexy fun for everyone, but it has to fit naturally into the framework of the show. "Oh-ho, you have an embarrassing secret part-time job at a maid cafe!" doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just cheesy and unnecessary. By all means release artbooks with the fans' most off the wall fantasies in (they'll only do it themselves if you don't) but I'd really rather the flow of a show wasn't spoiled for the sake of fanservice.
Boys dressing up as girls I've nothing against. Interesting that it's become something of a fad, but in the end it's just a specific kind of fanservice for a specific kind of fan. As such, can I request more of the opposite please?
What I understand to be Moe (I don't want another f*cking argument about what it means) I don't like because I don't understand the feeling. I have no protective, maternal instinct. The way I feel towards weak characters (regardless of gender and, truth be told, probably moreso if female) can be summed up by the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone slaps Johnny Fontane and tells him to "act like a man". If someone can't manage by themselves, the help they need is in teaching them how to manage by themselves. Look at Noriko in Gunbuster. She starts out pathetic and sorry for herself, but through "hard work and guts" realises that the things she thought out of her reach are possible. She can do the things she wants to do, be the person she wants to be. She is weak, so strong people help her to become strong. Once strong, people become equals based on mutual respect for each others strengths. This is the way it should be: Weakness and relying on others (or reinforcing that behaviour) is not a positive thing.
Fanservice is harmless sexy fun for everyone, but it has to fit naturally into the framework of the show. "Oh-ho, you have an embarrassing secret part-time job at a maid cafe!" doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. That's just cheesy and unnecessary. By all means release artbooks with the fans' most off the wall fantasies in (they'll only do it themselves if you don't) but I'd really rather the flow of a show wasn't spoiled for the sake of fanservice.
Boys dressing up as girls I've nothing against. Interesting that it's become something of a fad, but in the end it's just a specific kind of fanservice for a specific kind of fan. As such, can I request more of the opposite please?
What I understand to be Moe (I don't want another f*cking argument about what it means) I don't like because I don't understand the feeling. I have no protective, maternal instinct. The way I feel towards weak characters (regardless of gender and, truth be told, probably moreso if female) can be summed up by the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone slaps Johnny Fontane and tells him to "act like a man". If someone can't manage by themselves, the help they need is in teaching them how to manage by themselves. Look at Noriko in Gunbuster. She starts out pathetic and sorry for herself, but through "hard work and guts" realises that the things she thought out of her reach are possible. She can do the things she wants to do, be the person she wants to be. She is weak, so strong people help her to become strong. Once strong, people become equals based on mutual respect for each others strengths. This is the way it should be: Weakness and relying on others (or reinforcing that behaviour) is not a positive thing.
Aion
Time-Traveller
My gender prevents me from commenting, but fabricatedlunatic is very fond of anime with cute and/or eccentric school girls.
Code Geass is the only show with fan-service/moe elements I love-love. I like titles aimed at men; the kind where cat girls aren't allowed. My penis moves as a result of Revy/bitch moe.
I'll only accept 'servicing' when its intended to be funny; when I'm not expected to go find some lubricant. Code Geass R2 can **** off.
Code Geass is the only show with fan-service/moe elements I love-love. I like titles aimed at men; the kind where cat girls aren't allowed. My penis moves as a result of Revy/bitch moe.
I'll only accept 'servicing' when its intended to be funny; when I'm not expected to go find some lubricant. Code Geass R2 can **** off.
VivisQueen
Adventurer
I have no problem with moe itself, and I can sometimes ignore ecchi in anime that otherwise have superb plots.
My hatred is purely reserved for when ecchi becomes the point of a show (and for the other usual feminist arguments) or ruins what was before a superb show (Code Geass R2) and the fact that moe is almost always coupled with ****** nondescript plots.
There is a huuuuuge amount of anime out there going all the way back to the early-mid 20th century, meaning I'm spoiled for choice and can avoid the stuff until the trend dies out twenty or so odd years from now.
My hatred is purely reserved for when ecchi becomes the point of a show (and for the other usual feminist arguments) or ruins what was before a superb show (Code Geass R2) and the fact that moe is almost always coupled with ****** nondescript plots.
There is a huuuuuge amount of anime out there going all the way back to the early-mid 20th century, meaning I'm spoiled for choice and can avoid the stuff until the trend dies out twenty or so odd years from now.
Neferpitou
Stand User
ayase said:
There been plenty of threads about everyone opinions on Moe/Fan Service before. It would be nice for once to see what a Female perspective would be on the subject. As the majority of these types of Moe/Fan Service shows are aimed solely at male audience. It would be more interesting to see what people who are not aimed at, thinks about these types of shows.
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
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Zin5ki
Railgun
Please enlighten me of the contents of the audio cast.
Since I am familiar with the standpoints of Zac, Justin and Hope, I expect much of their contributions to express attitudes other than my own. As such, I'd rather not dedicate the hour or so required to listen to it. More gratifying ways to spend my bandwidth allowance exist.
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Since I am familiar with the standpoints of Zac, Justin and Hope, I expect much of their contributions to express attitudes other than my own. As such, I'd rather not dedicate the hour or so required to listen to it. More gratifying ways to spend my bandwidth allowance exist.
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Weirdest thing Zin5ki has ever said.Zin5ki said:
Also, Zac is basically me. I've never listened to the ANNCast however.
I used to find some moe shows charming and innocent enough but I really struggle to get past them now. The girls featured are always too feeble and close-to-crying for me to even attempt to like. Tsunderes don't work either because of it all being a front - a female character can have some moe-esque features and me not completely hate them but they need to be fully-realised people for that to actually happen, instead what most shows using the aesthetic is based on; predicable archetypes that rarely change. A character having a paper-bone disorder or girls who hide in the library just don't click for me. As a character, Asahina (from Haruhi) works to an extent because of her set-up. She's what the audience think she is, and although I haven't seen much later-Haruhi, I'd expect her to gain some confidence in herself. Hmm. I guess, I can accept moe as an archetype/cliché/trope character, but an entire show/set of characters based around them ideas doesn't click. For me. The fact they are based on VN's sort've affect my opinion too - I hate how stories/characters are wrapped up so obviously.
If we are discussing personality, I understand NGE being brought up for Rei being moe but I think there's just enough substance and genuine damage for her persona to work. It's a similar reason Shinji's apparent emo-ness doesn't bother me. I see more in these characters than I might normally. Opinion could change if I watched it again, however.
I realise I'm not going anywhere with this. And I'm a guy.
tl;dr - Strong Female Characters = Better.
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Neferpitou
Stand User
ayase said:
The thread wasn't dying that bad. It could have been a lot worse e.g no one replying at all .
I am happy to just get the replies we have got. Also Reaper gI mentioning he was introduced to moe/fan service by females was an interesting thing to know as well.
Anyway It's not the amount of replies that matter but the quality of them. Seen plenty of large thread simply filled with rubbish and nonsense.